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gonzaw
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However, I'd like the same from you too BC. To be honest, analyzing the minority list is not just like taking a random list of 8 players, because it's very probable each scum team split the vote 2-1, meaning there is at least 1 or 2 scum in said list (something you can't say of a random list of 8 players). Of course some scum team may have voted 3-0, but I think it's unlikely both did and ended up in the majority. | ||
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gonzaw
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Could it be there are 2 Town Idiots in this setup? | ||
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gonzaw
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Maybe they thought he was from the other scum team or something. Okay people, since people's been ignoring my plan since I posted, here it goes: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=333034¤tpage=15#297 Here's my first vote: ##Vote: Cephiro I will vote for other people as the day goes on I suggest you guys do the same so we can organize Round A voting better, just like in D1, but without Palmar alone deciding who's in the minority or not. | ||
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gonzaw
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On May 03 2012 12:46 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Gonzaw the fact that you can't figure out why Ace died is mind boggling. In any case, not only is your plan dumb but your scum suspect is even worse. What the hell are you talking about? And no, my plan is certainly not dumb. Do we need to do this discussion all over again? If you don't think Cephiro is scum, then please expand on it. I've been asking people for opinions on Cephiro since Round A of Day 1 and nobody gave a shit. | ||
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gonzaw
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Those that post "##Vote: X" will go with it, those that don't won't. If most or all people go along with it then we can make it work. Remember we can lynch many people at the same time. I want to lynch Cephiro and for that I want him in the majority. And why isn't he the best lynch? He's trolling everybody and doing shit, and yet like I said that's not how he plays as town. If he's town why would he act like that? | ||
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gonzaw
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Regarding wbg. He seems to put a lot of effort this game. I was suspicious of him in Round A, because he spent most of the time arguing against Palmar/syllo and not trying to contribute anything else. After Round A he started contributing, making sense, and taking an active effort in producing something. He put a lot of effort in making the Round B plan, organizing votes, contacting people, etc. I don't see him doing that as scum. So I don't see what I have to "reconsider" of him, specially since you started to think he's scum only immediately after he FoSed you. | ||
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gonzaw
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Anyways, what makes wbg scum then? | ||
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gonzaw
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Well, I'll try to think and come up with something better then (if any of you still want to follow the plan then still put ##Vote in the thread, at least I'll know you actually want to cooperate this round). @Cephiro: I see you keep instantly OMGUSing those that call you scum then? The ONLY scumreads that weren't blatant OMGUSes I've read from you were sandroba/prplhz, but you just mentioned them once and put 0 reasoning behind them @Meapak: You still haven't explained why Cephiro is "not the best lynch target" @Wiggles: Hey dude, I saw you've been absent from the discussion for a while. What are your current thoughts on Cephiro and BC? | ||
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gonzaw
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Like I said, if we plan accordingly we can lynch several players at once this game, so what makes you completely ignore Cephiro then? Even if we lynch only 1 player each time and you want to lynch someone else, do you think Cephiro is town or not? | ||
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gonzaw
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@Meapak: Cephiro is either Town Idiot or scum, you pick. If you decide to defend him I need more reasons than "I think he's much more likely to be town" and you flipping your shit against me if you want me to believe you. As for the "random accusations", I'm not pointing fingers at everybody and trying to get them all lynched just because. I'm posting my thoughts on as many people as I can as I play the game. Some people, like sandroba/prpr/BC said they were busy/at holidays/playing badly because of X and would up their game and be more active. As you can see I'm waiting for that to happen. However, at this point in time I think it's most likely they are doing it on purpose and are scum since they've had plenty of time to contribute since then (specially sandroba). chaoser is another one. The thing that made me less confident about pushing him is that a lot of people were starting to think he was town all of a sudden, and I thought something was going on in PM-land that made them think that. Yet I didn't receive any info from anyone about this, and chaoser himself isn't responding to my PMs either, so I don't know wtf happened. I thought Radfield was town on D1, however sloosh's recent disappearance worries me. I'd hope he had posted thoughts of his own by now, but I'm willing to wait him to do so. The thing is that I have various town reads, and then there are obvious scum (Cephiro) and people that don't even try to care about the game, be active or contribute. Choosing which one is scum from that pool of players is not easy if nobody does shit. Anyways, I have a test in 1 hour or so so I'll be gone until 3-2 hours before Round A ends. After I come back I'll look at more filters though, I haven't really checked Meapak's or Sheth's thoroughly yet | ||
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gonzaw
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What do you think of Cephiro and other players? Could you give more reasoning why you think (or thought) Katina is scum? @sloosh: Please hurry up with those reads of yours. On May 04 2012 06:12 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Heyo, So I figured I'll reveal what I told syllo in Pm's a bit ago. Whenever I was mafia with Gonzaw in a newbie game a while back he was just always raging and mad and just very angry. I think Gonzaw started off with that sort of thing with his oppinions against Cephiro. So that was why I thought there was a chance hes mafia. I haven't been reading too too closely, but the fact that Cephiro put 4 votes on VE makes him look a small percentage better. Cephiro is still probably one of my top candidates for being town. As for being mafia I'm really unsure other then Gonzaw. Syllo scares me, and I scare him so I suppose there could be something there. I sent in my vote for YES again. Just because I don't know when I'll be able to check everything again. We were mafia together just once in my first game. And believe me, I get frustrated easily as town. Without taking that into account, why else do you think I'm scum? | ||
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gonzaw
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What other reads do you have other than that? | ||
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gonzaw
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On May 04 2012 12:02 Liquid`Sheth wrote: I'm giving all 5 votes to cephiro. G'nite all! Wat? You say you didn't have the time to fully analyze his posts, yet you instantly will give your 5 votes to him right away, instead of, you know, take your time and analyze his posts before deciding? You know you can't change your votes after you send them right? | ||
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gonzaw
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On May 04 2012 12:08 slOosh wrote: As a note Radfield = slOosh. I'll be needing much direction this phase please. Have you read the whole thread by now? What direction do you mean? You know how this round goes right? Each player votes for 5 people, and the ones with the lowest votes are lynched. Like a reverse lynch of sorts. | ||
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gonzaw
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Nobody else give any more votes to Cephiro for now If you are town and have a town read on him, then make a post saying why, posting your reasoning, and then we can figure out if you can give him votes or not; don't go all anti-town on our asses and play for yourself thinking "my reads are always right" or some shit and do the same thing VE did to us last day. | ||
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gonzaw
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On May 05 2012 04:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote: You are right syllo, both you and bugs never actively said that you wanted ve or ace dead. I do have bugs saying he believed VE was scum in pms though. As such I do have palmar, katina, foolishness, bugs and gonza all fine with VE, and confrontation between ace and many of you via his filter. So i have 5 of 6 people fine with killing a townie, and another large group at confrontation with one who died who was being aggresive towards what you guys were doing. Ehmm, wtf are you arguing about? You wanted VE dead too, here: On May 02 2012 11:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Why would anyone fear ace? He is by far one of the easiest people to deal with in the game. If you think hes useless lynch / shoot him. If you think hes helpful, dont lynch or shoot him and instead med him. As for pm land, it is doubtful he is highly active there as he is renowned for saying how much he hates pm's. As for general way thread is going at the moment. If VE honestly dropped a ton of votes on sandro he has to go. As much as I believe acting individually during phase A is ideal to avoid mafia manipulating the majority/minority system to always be safe, phase B is more important in regards to making sure the scummiest player or if we all agree, players are lynched. Anyone who blatantly refuses to go along with a decision that everyone was basically in agreement of (or at least if they weren't no solid defense was ever provided of sandro) then that person has to be dealt with somehow to avoid continued purposeful sabotage of the voting period. Sandro has yet to come in and provide a reasonable defense of himself. I say this as he made his comment on what he had been up to, but had not at any point then followed it up with any form of solid town sandro play to assure us our worries were unfounded. Has anyone new information on this? VE, why have you gone so suddenly appearing so damn crazy -_-. Yet you are just rambling against syllo/Palmar/wbg/me/etc about "wanting to kill a townie"? Hypocrite much? BC, yes you've made some "analysis", but to be honest it's not very convincing, and it's buried in 1000 posts about you bitching against everybody. Just taking a look at your filter, every post of yours is a GIGANTIC WALL OF TEXT THAT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING. For example: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=333034¤tpage=44#866 What does this say? Almost nothing. You just complain against Katina/syllo and keep complaining about people "sheeping", and saying that you are against "scumhunters that don't scumhunt publicly". Everything else is clutter that only serves to disrupt. Also, I see you say you make "analysis" and the like, but you still ignore important matters of the discussion. For instance, I don't think I've seen your actual thoughts on Cephiro yet, or at all this game. You said he was "annoyed at being prodded", nothing else. Instead of arguing, making gigantic walls of text filled with clutter, why don't you actually push those reads of yours? Why don't you stop disrupting the thread and post concise analysis, reasonings, etc? About Sheth: Okay so you say you are not sure about Cephiro, that you will reread his posts to make up your mind and that you are 50/50 on him, yet as soon as Round B starts you say you'll give all your votes to him. What's worst, you never MENTION THAT AGAIN. Wtf? You've made the scummiest move in all game and you just shrug it off? Even after you make a list of reads (that don't include Cephiro), and people ask you for your thoughts on Cephiro you just say "I didn't forget anything. I commented on Foolishness' list.", and you never mention again. However you mention once again then: On May 05 2012 03:14 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Ok after reading through BC's filter I like him. He has strong reads on Katina (whose I have a life defense I thought kind of lame). And I haven't looked at prplhz, but he has a read on him as well. I actually appreciate him not trusting Palmagism. As I'm somewhat in that same vote except I only distrust the gism part. So I don't mind Cephiro defending BC because earlier BC defended Cephiro. I'm still at around 50/50 for Cephiro btw. What? You now still think Cephiro is "50/50"? Bullshit. You've been defending him all game, calling him town, and now you give your 5 votes to him. There's no way you think he's "50/50". Even worse, you don't put any reasoning behind your read at all. And again YOU DON'T JUSTIFY YOU GIVING YOUR 5 VOTES TO HIM. Speaking of that list of "reads" of yours: On May 05 2012 03:03 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Here are my reads : BC - Suprised everyone thinks hes mafia. However I can see it a bit as he didn't really talk to me much and he provided me 4 votes out of no where. I do appreciate it BC, but I'd like to know the reason behind it. Syllo - I'm unsure. I think he has a 60% chance of being mafia, but a lot of people I talk to think hes 100% town... I'm sticking with my thinking that he has a good chance of being mafia. Palmar - Towniest Townie to Town. Gonzaw - 59% mafia due to his early tunneling / anger against Cephiro. I'm not sure though Gonzaw I would like to keep you around for another day to see more. Foolishness - I don't have much of a read on you. Katina - We've played a few games together and I dont' think we've ever PM'ed or talked together once. Whats up? What are your reads? WBG - I like WBG so far. I'm content with him living. You are "unsure" of everybody. You are wishy washy as hell. You don't state any reasoning behind anybody. You say things like "I like wbg so far".....???? Syllo and me are 60% scum in your opinion, but you don't say anything, you even imply that you think we are null or something. Apparently you think syllo and me are scum, yet you actually treat us as null reads. You never push us, you never make any analysis on us, nothing. You just skate by the game and act all "good boy" and shit. This is Day 2 and you act like it was 1 hour in Day 1. You don't read anybody's filter, you say "I haven't read him yet" every time and yet you fail to do so. You base some of your reads on things that happened like 2 days ago (you think I'm scum because I was "aggressive" against Cephiro like 3 days ago, yet you mention nothing else at all). Yes, you are scum Sheth. You appear to be absolutely ignorant of everything that's happening in the thread (which is bullshit), and you don't even care about it. Even worse you act like it's nothing and do whatever you want. To chaoser: I see you haven't answered my new PM yet. Doesn't matter, answer me here then. Why do you think ET is scum? What do you think of Cephiro? | ||
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gonzaw
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On May 05 2012 06:48 Liquid`Sheth wrote: I care about whats going on. It was just a tough day1 with me having little time. Today I'm starting to get more ideas and reads. I'm also not acting or scum. You realize I didn't put quotes from your Day 1 right? I'm talking about right now, Day 2. You are acting like if nothing happened in the thread at all and you don't have any info to make any read whatsoever. You act like all of us are null, yet you still say things like we are "60% mafia" and shit without even pushing nor pressuring us. You said you were unsure about Ceph, yet said you'll give him your 5 votes, and never mentioned that again, what does that have to do with a "tough day 1" and "having little time"? | ||
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gonzaw
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Apparently neiither Palmar nor Cephiro voted? Wtf? | ||
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