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On May 08 2012 02:08 syllogism wrote:
Oh so you think one mafia team went 0-3 or 0-2 last night? Weren't you saying foolishness style voting analysis would be useful
Aren't you also saying theres one mafia team with 0-2 last night? your five is sheth/sandro/ceph/me/MZ with Me/MZ being on a team and sandro/sheth being on a team. No matter how you cut that, there's a 0-# team in there.
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On May 08 2012 13:33 wherebugsgo wrote:
also, since it feels like I am virtually the only townie who cares about winning, I'd appreciate it if some of you stopped being lazy assholes and actually did something for a change.
I cannot be right about everything and I need different opinions in order to find scum. The game feels "too easy" because no one is doing anything, so there's an inherent bias in wanting to kill the people who are the most useless/anti town.
At this point since that's almost everyone I'm starting to go insanely paranoid.
"has total control and asks everyone to follow his plan"
"bitches about people being lazy"
Word dude? You do realize that if you, syllo, and palmar are asking people to follow your plans and control knowing the votes and whatnot that most people are not going to do much and just follow along right? That when people have different opinions, you either don't listen to them or think they are scum? You reads of scum are literally people who disagreed with the palmar plan (MZ, Ace, BC, Me) and people who are lurking (sandro). You're blaming other people when it's your own goddamn fault in the first place.
The fact that sheth flipped green is disturbing but that just means that last night all three up for lynch were townies. Given how meapak responded (I'm not saving myself, I'm willing to die) and how he only survived because of Sheth (who flipped green), he's obviously green as well. So we had three greens up for lynch. I don't know who in your group is the one but I'm sure one of them is mafia, dude. Probably palmar.
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lol syllo...you know what's funny? I'm going to be extremely happy when I flip town, MZ flips town, and you're stuck looking like an idiot and subsequently blaming the rest of town for your own failings; That your own arrogance will be the reason town isn't winning this game right now. I hope you're happy that you are literally making this a shitty game to play for the rest of us.
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oh wait, so you're sure palmar isn't mafia? you're sure that ET isn't mafia? how? They haven't been lynched. The only one I've been wrong on is sheth, which you've been wrong on as well. Fact of the matter is, the atmosphere you've set up in this game allows for no dissenting opinions and a complete reliance of your system, I'm sure the rest of town can agree. I remember for a while sloosh/radfield and prp were talked about as being mafia, especially since radfield didn't contribute much aside from agreeing with people early game. But all of a sudden they're no longer mafia, they're probably townie. All because they've bought into your system. How can you and WBG criticize players for not playing the game when your system asks for complete agreement and complete control of how round b works and anyone who dissents is immediately placed in the "scum" catagory. Ace was right when he first said it:
On May 01 2012 08:16 Ace wrote:
K so the plan just needs a majority of Town to give up their individual brilliance, sheep a Yes/No vote and form a new pool of suspects: Except the method of creating this pool should be determined by 1 player.
Sounds awesome. Where do I sign up?
Obviously it's not round a that's being controlled but round b but the giving up of individual thought still rings true.
Like I said syllo, when MZ and I flip town, I'm going to enjoy your reaction. It'll bring back feelings of death factory all over again. I really do hope you, palmar, and sandro cut this shit out in the future.
Until that time, I'm going to keep pushing for people I think are mafia. I hope the rest of town does as well and not buy into palmar/syllo group.
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As far as I'm concerned, and I'm speaking purely as a player of the game of mafia, this new trend is unsettling and killing the game. The game is back to being about the many following the few except now it's no longer blues but a small minority of players that browbeats and strong arms everyone else to follow them. And when things go wrong, it's cause of town not participating more. "Taking responsibility" my ass.
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/end rant
I'll be out with my cases soon
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lol wbg, I can see you're going to stick with your arrogance. Cool. I mean, like I said, when MZ and I flip town, you'll have to eat your words. Also, can you please stop throwing around "retarded". It's ableist.
I know I'm town, I'm sure MZ is town given his actions at death. Sheth flipped town. 3 towns.
I see a distinct lack of sloosh/prplhz. So are you saying that you think they are mafia after all? Are you going to produce that case on ET tonight? Tomorrow? Ever? I asked sheth/meapak/you to make a case on someone and none of you have.
Thanks for taking that part out of context. I didn't say I thought they were mafia, only that town had thought them to be mafia at a time. But now there's no individual thought. Your "list of five" is held up as the only valid read. And now sheth has fallen and flipped green. I guess it's just a "list of four" now. This is exactly the situation I warned against early in the game; how long will it take town to decide your group is a piece of shit and actively destroying town? Too late is the answer, especially if you're going for multi lynches like you were yesterday.
Are you going to produce that case on ET tonight? Tomorrow? Ever? I asked sheth/meapak/you to make a case on someone and none of you have.
Obviously this cycle, don't sweat your pretty little head.
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On May 08 2012 23:58 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2012 23:50 chaoser wrote:
oh wait, so you're sure palmar isn't mafia? you're sure that ET isn't mafia? how? They haven't been lynched. The only one I've been wrong on is sheth, which you've been wrong on as well. n does as well and not buy into palmar/syllo group.
I stopped here, since after reading this I realized the rest of it was just more bullshit.
On May 05 2012 12:15 chaoser wrote:
wow...i was wrong about BC/ceph v syllo/palmar...
good job scum, you're now on my ignore list as well.[/QUOTE]
Lol, your arrogance is astounding. As if you are the only important person in this game that matters and your ignore list is law. I ain't just posting for your benefit bud, I'm posting for everyone to read.
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On May 09 2012 00:07 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 00:05 chaoser wrote:
lol wbg, I can see you're going to stick with your arrogance. Cool. I mean, like I said, when MZ and I flip town, you'll have to eat your words. Also, can you please stop throwing around "retarded". It's ableist.
I know I'm town, I'm sure MZ is town given his actions at death. Sheth flipped town. 3 towns.
given that you still haven't coughed up a single case that you have promised for 3 days straight, I'm pretty damn confident you're scum and not town.
Isn't that what you said of Sheth and VE? Funny how they flipped town and both of them hated your little group.
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lol, all of a sudden mz has "put in more effort than i thought". Thank god he didn't get lynched right? What changed your mind about that btw? Oh right, my pointing out that his actions at lynch were telling of him being town.
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Also, I thought Me and MZ were a team. But now I'm with Ceph? What a fast-changing world. Are sloosh and prp still "confirmed town" in your books? Cause I'm pretty sure there's no such thing.
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On May 09 2012 00:24 slOosh wrote:
Then why are you defending the people to be lynched via proposal of this extension plan rather than showing / convincing us that they have a good chance of flipping town? In all mafia games there is no 100% certainty unless you are either scum / power role, yet you would never cite that statistical chance as an excuse not to lynch - why is it different in this case? Am I wrong in interpreting your plan as "let's not lynch multiple people to get more information?" opposed to "let's not lynch multiple people because they have a good chance of flipping town?" Because if multiple people are scummy, why not just lynch them all?
And on that note we have all the information we need - we just need the confirmation in forms of flips.[/QUOTE]
What should I have shown you? I said MZ isn't mafia and there was no case against him at all. The case was literally syllo saying that MZ posted a weak case on prp and he made "several suspicious claims in PMland". Now al lof a sudden syllo goes back and sees "he's been more active than I previously thought"? Ok lol.
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This is your leadership people, one that changes on a whim. From MZ almost getting lynched because they were 100% sure he was mafia and pushing for his lynch off no case to he's "put in more effort than i thought". Word?
I guess since now MZ is off the lynching table due to syllo's word that he is townie, I'm on the only one on there. When I flip town, I'm sure they'll blame it on either my play or town being lazy again lol. Their system? No, that's foolproof and 100% correct, it's just the execution of the rest of us that's making town fail so badly.
Well first of all, I think there's definitely one person in the WBG/Syllo/Palmar group that's probably mafia. MZ hasn't been scummy at all in my opinion and yet they think he's mafia, that's ridiculous. All of the pushed townie lynches have been people who disagreed with them, then were called scum, and then were angered and pushed to be lynched. It's fucking bullshit. I pretty much gave up after the whole BC thing and then their insisting that everyone follow their lead but then they blame everyone for mistakes they make. They basically wasted day 2...I think out of the three though, Palmar is probably the mafia. WBG had control of round b votes on day one and he could have totally caused a lot of havoc by making people vote in such a way that a multilynch occurred and then blame it one of the people that died. So he's probably not mafia. Out of syllo and palmar, syllo is the one that's trusting palmar and yet palmar has done nothing that's been trustworthy or not anti-town as far as I can see. I can only assume it's something in PMs but even then palmar is scummy as fuck and I think syllo is being blinded to that. I still think ET is mafia due to his changing stance on sandro. HE goes from "I will tunnel you" to "he should be a secondary lynch" to "give him more time". The secondary lynch one was said WHILE sandro was in the majority. His excuse for his change of opinion is "The case on Sandroba is "he's lurking", which isn't very substantial." While he himself criticizes prp for only that, lurking Show nested quote +prplhz - skirted by on "sorry i play so bad I was busy"; fact remains that he has been present throughout the game (has many posts) but extremely little content, scumhunting, or pro-town behavior at all. that's called active lurking Show nested quote +RE: The prplhz case
While I don't necessarily agree with M_Z's meta arguement against prplhz (the games where prpl talked about setup more were both themed games), the various points indicating prplhz Mafia traits are comprehensive and well thought out, including his lack of scumhunting and lurky indecision. I honestly don't see why a bunch of people think prplhz is very townie. It makes no sense that he would go from "tunnel sandro" to "i'm excusing him cause the only case against him is that he's lurky" while also saying prp is scummy and the only case he can bring against him is...that he is lurky (as he doesn't agree with MZ's meta argument against prp) He also accepts WBG/Syllo/palmar's accusations that people are not contributing or not being a more active participant of the game as being mafia. Which is funny because they use that same argument to admonish town as well. So if they think you're townie and you're not contributing, you're just townie that needs to work harder. If you're someone they think is mafia, they say your not contributing makes you mafia. WTF? So I'm thinking palmar/ET/??? Since sheth wasn't the final mafia, I think its either gonzaw or sloosh, most likely sloosh given his voting pattern with them (always 2-1) and also the fact that radfield didn't do jack shit early game and now he doesn't have to do anything since he's just coasting by cause apparently palmar and syllo think he's town. Aside from that, I definitely think ceph and sandro are mafia. what do you think?
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On May 09 2012 01:25 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 01:19 chaoser wrote:
Also, I thought Me and MZ were a team. But now I'm with Ceph? What a fast-changing world. Are sloosh and prp still "confirmed town" in your books? Cause I'm pretty sure there's no such thing. I have never called sloosh confirmed town and even if I was, why are you pushing the notion that I shouldn't consider them town when you aren't suspecting them of being mafia?
Word? Cause I heard in PM land from sheth that you said prp and sloosh were confirmed townie.
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and what do you mean recent, i've backed you as a town read all game
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I made a case against ET on day 2, ask WBG about it. It's all in PMs with him.
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On May 09 2012 07:12 Palmar wrote:
yeah cause if you bring it out in the thread people might notice you're full of shit.
...I just did?
And giving it to WBG is basically giving it to "thread" since he controls the system along with you and syllo...what kind of complaint is that lol
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Is there anything else in your case I should respond to, or is that all the substance you had?
Wait...what was the case against me again?
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