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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 04 2012 01:27 GMT
#569
i don't give info to scum
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 04 2012 01:43 GMT
#573
Yeah I've checked out of this game already tbh.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 04 2012 10:22 GMT
#583
On May 04 2012 18:38 Pure-SC2 wrote:
I feel like we're being messed with here. Sexdoll signs up to the forum Tuesday, his first ever post is offering himself up as a replacement in this game.

Then we get this whole charade? WhySoMuch "knows" Sexdoll from some other site, they have this nice little byplay - oh he's actually younguns there lol lol, heyya babe, and of course Sexdoll knows him and he is likely a villager based on his experience with him.

Isn't that sweet, the internet suddenly seems like such a small happy place, where two people who played something similar on another site manage to not only end up in the same game on this site, but have all this experience playing together.

I think it's one of two things.
1). They are the same person and totally fucking with us. This was my first impression based on Sexdolls posts.
2). They are friends who are communicating out of band and acting like they aren't.

I don't like it at all.

Marv, I'm going to spend the next bit going over your case on Golden. It read good the first time but there were a few things I wanted to look at closer. Don't you think it's weird that WhySoMuch has dropped his number 1 scum read on Golden? His reason initially was that he didn't think anyone would support it, so now you've made a good case, why the hell isn't he even pushing it?



Vague nods to this whole post. The whole situation is retarded. I'm afraid I've stopped thinking about this game in any way, so I will not be able to answer any questions you have.

I will vote whichever way town tells me to vote.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 04 2012 10:27 GMT
#584
Frankly, imo, if someone is leaving the game on Day 3 they should just be mod-killed. This is stupid.

Yes, I'm moaning at the hosts right now.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 04 2012 11:26 GMT
#585
P.S Pure - if Lazer did something similar before and got lynched for it, he should have learnt his lesson and you should lynch him this time.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 04 2012 14:45 GMT
#590
No, I'm not confused.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 04 2012 14:48 GMT
#591
But your explanations are decent and as I don't care too much I'll happily vote Lazermonkey.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 04 2012 14:52 GMT
#592
although there are holes too, but meh.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 04 2012 15:46 GMT
#597
On May 05 2012 00:40 nreekay324 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 23:40 SexDoll wrote:
I want to talk about something specific in marv's case that was brushed aside when he made his case, but is actually super important. When he said, my scum leads are Aces, x and Veriat, then he says he's fine with lynching veriat, Marv says taht this is super scummy, which doesn't make any sense. Scum in that scenario say stuff like, "Veriat is fine but I prefer Aces." They don't volunteer their bros to get lynched like that.

On 2p2 we call it bussing when one scum pushes another so that's what I'll call it here. The way that went down is NOT how scum bus each other. It makes no sense. There are 2 approaches that make sense in s/s interactions like that. 1 he would agree that veriat is probably a wolf but try to get aces lynched over him and 2 he would push him in a way that would be clearing for HIM. Golden got 0 credit for the veriat lynch because he deserved 0 credit for it. It makes no sense for him to have pushed Veriat like that if they were s/s.


Agreeably, Golden's concise and clear posting is indicative of him being clever/calculated. But does this really mean that he's a mastermind mafia as well? If the mafia had intentionally planned for veriat to be bussed from the start, and they were all clear about this, then it makes sense that the mafia wouldn't be the last vote (more likely the first vote). But this is making many assumptions about Golden, and the mafia. This leads me to wonder things like, what if Veriat opted-out mid-day1 and Golden decided he'd rather be on the bandwagon when he flips then off? Sure, he didn't get definitive credit for the veriat lynch, but what if he was just trying to get (at least some) town credibility in general? What if he was just annoyed at veriat, and as the opportunity presented itself, he just decided to boot him?

I'll re-read the case against Golden, Jailbreaker's response/apology, and try looking at WSM again; but I think Marv's case against Golden is the best lead right now. This replacement stuff is really confusing reads though (not directed at you specifically sexdoll, but as there have been two replacements, it's annoying.)


A bunch of supersolid points that I didn't have the energy to make for myself.

An extra one being

Also, when ppl say stuff like, x,y and z are my top scum reads atm, then proceed to push z over x, that doesn't mean theyre complacent to lynch whoever or that they're contradicting themselves by not pushing x super hard. It just shows a slight lack of confidence in all of the reads, which is totally normal. This is a game of vague information.


One of the main points of the case was that Golden took so damn long making up his mind, constantly stating that he wouldn't make scumreads until he was sure. But then when he did he changed them immediately. Bad.

Re: replacements. I totally agree with you, and I know it must have been really hard for the rest of you when I replaced in (especially as Aces had already been suspicious). Imo replacing someone at the end of day 1 for not voting is just about acceptable (although difficult for everyone), replacing midway through Day 3 is simply not.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 04 2012 15:50 GMT
#598
On May 05 2012 00:46 SexDoll wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 00:40 nreekay324 wrote:
Agreeably, Golden's concise and clear posting is indicative of him being clever/calculated. But does this really mean that he's a mastermind mafia as well? If the mafia had intentionally planned for veriat to be bussed from the start, and they were all clear about this, then it makes sense that the mafia wouldn't be the last vote (more likely the first vote). But this is making many assumptions about Golden, and the mafia. This leads me to wonder things like, what if Veriat opted-out mid-day1 and Golden decided he'd rather be on the bandwagon when he flips then off? Sure, he didn't get definitive credit for the veriat lynch, but what if he was just trying to get (at least some) town credibility in general? What if he was just annoyed at veriat, and as the opportunity presented itself, he just decided to boot him?

I'll re-read the case against Golden, Jailbreaker's response/apology, and try looking at WSM again; but I think Marv's case against Golden is the best lead right now. This replacement stuff is really confusing reads though (not directed at you specifically sexdoll, but as there have been two replacements, it's annoying.)


If there is ever a plan for scum to bus each other, they're going to make sure that they are the ones who get credit for lynching their bro. They do this by pushing them hard and leading the lynch. If a strategy was involved, tacking on was not part of it.


You seem to be missing what nreekay is saying. Specifically the bit in bold.

People do not always behave in either the optimal way or the way you would expect them to.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 04 2012 15:58 GMT
#601
On May 05 2012 00:53 SexDoll wrote:
I'm making assumptions because of my experience and my intuition. I like to think I'm a pretty good judge of character


Yes, and my experience has taught me that making assumptions such as those can lead you to the wrong results. "It's my intuition" is neither an offence nor a defence.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 04 2012 16:00 GMT
#603
On May 05 2012 00:54 Pure-SC2 wrote:
One thing I thought about yesterday, was how Golden opted out the moment the pressure really came on, i.e, 40 minutes after Marv states:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 21:30 marvellosity wrote:
At this stage golden is my main scum-read. You may understand why this is extremely time-consuming to put together


40 minutes later, Golden posts that he's pulling out of the game. That's one way to avoid the pressure on you and meaning you don't have to answer a case I suppose.


Pure - WIFOM territory here, but did you notice Nova Terra specifically pointed out that it was cheating to get yourself mod-killed for nefarious reasons?

Pretty pointless speculation actually, but there we go

My apathy is starting to disappear. Let's lynch SexDoll.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 04 2012 16:03 GMT
#604
On May 05 2012 00:58 SexDoll wrote:
the best way to determine ppls roles is to try to find their motivations and thought processes. There are situations where if you put yourself in the shoes of the scum, you will see that there is a clear and easy decision for them to make in certain circumstances. The assumption that I'm making is that scum tend to think more about how their interactions/cases/votes will make them look to the townspeople. This is a perfectly reasonable assumption. Once this assumption is made, the rest of what I said about bussing is just common sense


Yes, but not everything is always as planned as that, and things move fast.

Take this as a scenario:

1 - Aces was leading the lynch by 4-2 (5-2?) and so was looking likely to be lynched. Scum are quite happy
2 - Golden makes his 3 scumread cases, not including Veriat
3 - Suddenly pressure is heaped on Veriat and he starts receiving votes
4 - Golden changes his 3 scumreads to include Veriat
5 - As he'd been forced to include Veriat as a scumread, he couldn't just hop on to the wagon straight away as Aces was his strongest read, so he waited until later when it appeared Veriat was the only viable option
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 04 2012 16:04 GMT
#605
EBWOP: I'm not even sure that was exactly the order of things, but see how easy it is to come up with likely scenarios that don't fit your bill of perfect preplanning?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 04 2012 16:22 GMT
#607
Yeah. The problem comes because Golden can't defend himself. So we're left with:

1) we lynch sexfiend/golden on the strength of my case (and other's suspicions) and that's that
2) we let him off because he isn't golden

Both scenarios are a long way from ideal.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 04 2012 17:11 GMT
#614
On May 05 2012 02:08 Mordanis wrote:
Well, we obviously need to keep moving forward, and Golden/SexDoll are probably the best vote right now. As much as I hate easy lynches, I don't see any other option right now.

## Vote: SexDoll


How is this an 'easy lynch'?

You scum bro?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 04 2012 19:41 GMT
#631
Should we lynch lazer for giggles?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 04 2012 19:54 GMT
#635
Sigh, I'm sorry town. I'm finding it hard to take this game seriously now.

WSM and SexDoll mafia team?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 04 2012 19:55 GMT
#636
Lazer: instead of asking stupid one-liners, how about you try to say something useful for a change?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 04 2012 20:31 GMT
#641
Just in case it has to be changed

##Unvote
##Vote: SexDoll
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
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