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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 01 2012 17:58 GMT
#394
Just like your last logic that no good player ever uses either.

You have attained jubjub status.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 01 2012 18:11 GMT
#396
On May 02 2012 03:07 Mordanis wrote:
First of all, your 8 vs. 6 implies that the mafia won't score a hit. It would make infinitely more sense to say 7 vs. 6. And I think that 6 townies would fair better without someone who acts thought than 7 townies with someone who makes no sense. That being said, I never said that we should lynch people just because they don't make sense or don't contribute. For people who already seem scummy, it is a way to state that a mis-lynch wouldn't destroy one of the core members, or the flow of information through the thread. I'm curious whether you would support a no-lynch if Jailbreaker seemed less scummy?

Or what if you wer 65% sure one player was mafia, but he posted a lot and made a lot of sense. But another player was up for lynching, and you were only 45% sure he was mafia, and he posted illogically, inconsistently, and generally badly. Which one would you vote for (Since this is a thought experiment, think of the percentages more generally plz)? Personally, the one who posted worse seems like the better candidate to me because its a lower risk/ lower reward, in other words its the safer play.


My 8 vs 6 implies this. We are in a day cycle with 8 town 2 mafia. If we lynch a townie, we are again in the day cycle but this time with 6 town 2 mafia. This is the problem with mislynching, you're losing 2 townies. If you lynch scum, you're 7 townies 1 mafia.

The difference between 6-2 and 7-1 is immense. This is why you always lynch your strongest scum-read.

So to your 2nd paragraph. The only correct play is to lynch the 65% read. For reasons explained above. Choosing the option that is more likely to yield 6-2 instead of 7-1 is ludicrous.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 01 2012 18:19 GMT
#398
I already explained, but in the absence of getting it through your skull I pointed out that good players simply don't do it.

I know plenty of good players, I read this forum like a whore.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 01 2012 18:26 GMT
#400
On May 02 2012 03:23 Mordanis wrote:
65-45 isn't as big of a split as you seem to think it is. And I'd say that the idiot is more likely to derail the process in the future, and the longer there is only one mafia in the game the more difficult I'd say it is to tell who it is. Literally all the one mafia has to do is defend himself and blend in while killing one person per night. The odds aren't that good if a few days are wasted talking about whoever the idiot is attacking. Whereas with two mafia left vs. 6 competent players, I see a much greater likelihood that the 6 can work together and find holes in the mafia's play. Long story short, this seems much more of a play-style thing than an objectively right or wrong situation. You prefer an overwhelming majority of numbers, I prefer to be able to have a group that is capable of finding the mafia through reason.

In any case though, Jailbreaker is IMO the better scum read than Nreekay, and also the worse player. But I have to agree, this lynch is going too easily. I'm going to look into any reasons why... Hopefully I'll be able to post some reasons for the easiness in a bit.


I don't even
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 01 2012 18:29 GMT
#402
I don't even know where to start, so I'll leave you to your thoughts.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 01 2012 18:36 GMT
#404
You obviously haven't been reading my posts.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 01 2012 18:41 GMT
#406
Lesson learnt today: do not replace into newbie games
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 01 2012 18:45 GMT
#409
Nothing to do with being too good.

But it remains the case you wouldn't find the opinions that you and Mordanis are putting forth in non-newbie games.

That's just the way it is.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 01 2012 19:38 GMT
#415
No, he's dead.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 01 2012 19:40 GMT
#417
Frankly, if you don't have time to play the game properly, don't sign up. It's quite simple.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 01 2012 20:18 GMT
#419
There's some serious lurking going on from other players, though.

menolikey.

Let's prod them in the night time.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 01 2012 22:06 GMT
#428
hrumph
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 01 2012 22:07 GMT
#429
should've trusted my instinct
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 01 2012 22:09 GMT
#431
if we mislynch once more, town will have to survive two lylos to win.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 01 2012 22:13 GMT
#434
Who said it was weird to post at night?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 01 2012 22:14 GMT
#435
Pure - it's a neverending problem I'm afraid
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 01 2012 22:18 GMT
#438
golden could be scum. Wishy washy long posts, often summarises, very rarely pushes one candidate.

so golden, who's your top scumread and what's the case on him?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 01 2012 22:21 GMT
#439
Also nreekay. No content. Voted on Jailbreaker with the only explanation 'it's good to pressure lurkers' and then didn't show up in the thread again.

those 2 are my tentative scum-team.

gonna have to look at lazer too.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 01 2012 22:25 GMT
#441
I don't give a shit about my town cred. I'm not trying to make myself look townie.

If you want to win the game, let's get some scum.

Regarding your post: there are two options:

1) i'm scum trying to get towncred
2) i'm an unsure townie

it's just wifom. Let's go after the guys who might actually be scum.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 01 2012 22:33 GMT
#443
stands for Wine in front of me.

It basically means it's speculation that can't be substantiated. Most often used in connection cases.

Usually it involves trying to work out what someone can think - "he could post this to try to look townie, which means he could be scummy. But he could know i think it's scummy to look townie, so if he was scum he wouldn't post that. but if he knows that, then he could have posted that. but if he know that..." etc
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