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Secondly, i do share your opinion on WhySoMuch. I have been suspicious of him from the start, and his latest games has not helped him. Below i will make my case against him. On April 27 2012 10:40 WhySoMuch wrote: Someone already pointed this out and I've already stated my position but I'd like to take it a step further, I find this post very wolfy, more so than Varient or however you spell his name who said the same thing essentially, because you aren't thinking deeper. You say in the other game they mislynched on the first day because they didn't have enough information, but how do we expect to gain information if we "No Lynch"? Day 2 will essentially be a repeat of day 1. Also, Voting early and often leads to profit, ##VOTE: The_Zen_Man hope i did that right This is what WhySoMuch posted when he voted for me the first time. He says that he found my post very "Wolfy", but pays almost no attention to Veriat, with the explanation that i am not thinking deep enough. To show you how much "deeper" Veriat post was, here it is On April 26 2012 22:55 Veriat wrote: Hello Everybody! I love the theme and i'm very excited to get this show on the road! Like many here this is my first game so i'm looking forward to a good time with you fine lads (and lasses) As Pure-SC2 said, i share his opinion on the "no lynch" vote since this is a game full of newbies like myself, and there isn't all that information up in the air the first day, which we can use to base good lynches on. With that said, Game on and let's get the discussion going!  My post before might not have been the deepest post, but this is not much better. I think that the "deeper" part was just an excuse to push away attention from his scum buddy and towards me. On April 27 2012 19:28 WhySoMuch wrote: This whole post just seems off to me. Like you think this is what a townie would say But a few things: 1st underline: we gain information by lynching someone, it's not an "if", I am 100% sure we gain knowledge by lynching anyone today. And if your a townie you should realize this, as of yet no one has implied we don't gain knowledge by lynching someone except you. 2nd underline: We don't ever lynch someone just cause, that just doesn't happen. We lay out our views and decide who seems most likely to be a mafia and we vote them. [/QUOTE] The part about this post that seemed strange to me is " And if your a townie you should realize this". Im not sure how being a mafia or town matters if a have some information. Then, after having posted with about 5 post saying how i am "Wolf", he unvotes me but says that he still haves me as scum. Maybe he realized that no one took his suspicioins against me seriously and decided to give up, but still have me as a possible scum if he needed one. On April 28 2012 09:35 WhySoMuch wrote: Town: Splinter LazerMonkey Mordanis Mafia: The_Zen_Man Nreekay He then proceds to vote for me anyway, with not much more explanation than this. Mordanis posted a case against Veriat just a few post before this one. Maybe he tried to direct attention towards me instead of his scum buddy. Veriat then also votes for me, probably to try a bandwagon on me. On April 28 2012 18:26 Veriat wrote: Ok here are my thoughts on who are the scum: The_Zen_Man nreekay324 Jailbreaker The_Zen_Man You're stance on the "lynch no lynch" discussion has left me a little puzzled, and your overall playstyle seem fishy to me, so you're getting my vote. nreekay324 All your posts just seem off and scummy. Many of them seem rushed or flawed, and you basically just jumped the bandwagon with your early vote on Why_So_Much. On a side note i did find Why_So_Much's playstyle kind of off, but i don't think he's scum, because then why would you vote for him? Jailbreaker You've my number 3 due to consistent flaws in your previous posts. This post was really not saying much about anything, but there is something interesting here. He writes that "On a side note i did find Why_So_Much's playstyle kind of off, but i don't think he's scum, because then why would you vote for him?". This might be Veriat trying to back up his scum buddy, and take away suspicions from people. On April 29 2012 03:56 WhySoMuch wrote: It's the same game, Y'all call it Mafia, We call it Werewolf. It's the same principal and I'm really confused why people are so caught up on it. This is newb game for people that have played 3 or less games ON THIS SITE. That is why I signed up for it, to get a feel for THIS SITE. So many things are different, such as requiring a Majority to lynch someone, that I think it was best to play a game like this before trying out the non-newb games. I have played over 100 games on the other forum using wolve/villager lingo, so to answer your question about 100 games to get it ingrained. I am making an effort, every time you see the word Mafia or Town most likely I had to go back and erase wolf/villager. However sometimes I forget. I didn't ask how to quote posts, I asked how to quote multiple posts, because on the other site, I can click a button and it will multi-quote for me. THis forum did not have it, and I was wondering what people usually do instead. As for the "All" button I probably should have figured that out, but again, on the other forum there is an option to change posts per page from 25 to 100. I have explained my vote a gazillion times already. Just because I vote you again doesn't mean I have to have different reasons than before. I am confused though, because Veriant looks extremely bad right now. Like all his reads are justs sponges and he has no original thought, so I'm pretty sure he's a wolf. Which means you likely aren't a wolf. ##vote: Veriat This is also very interesting. This is what WhySoMuch posted after i put up a possible Veriat and WhySoMuch connection. I think that he saw the only way out of it was too vote his scum buddy veriat, that way when Veriat flips Mafia he would be shown as a good townie. After that he switches votes two times, back to Veriat again. This was maybe because he tried to save his scum buddy in one last effort. But when he realized it wasn't going to happen he changed again, so that he might look like a good townie. He then haves a unusually lot of activity during the night. He explains this with that he is probably the Mafia target, but i don't get that. There were plenty of people(me including) that played a part in Veriat being lynched. He also makes this post: On April 29 2012 09:12 WhySoMuch wrote: Just gonna do some spew analysis first. This is about the only post of use that he wrote. The_Zen_Man is pretty much clear forever, he made a case on Veriat when he could have chosen a lot of other people and Veriat then goes and makes him his #1 wolf read and later makes a case on him. You just don't see this being mafia/mafia with newer mafia nreekay I think is also spewed cleared here as well i think. If your gonna put a mafia in your mafia reads, it's not gonna be like this with qualifiers and extra useless info in my opinion. However JailBreaker, this is exactly how a newer mafia would do it, he just throws his name out there with some lame, non existent reasoning. I am moving Jailbreaker to the mafia side for this alone. He writes that i am pretty much clear forever, which might be to remove any suspicions i might have. I think everyone knows that i am a town, as my case on Veriat turned a few players around. You are just stating the obvious, and trying to look better in my eyes. 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On May 03 2012 06:34 Lazermonkey wrote: Okay so here we go! I've been thinking about the D1 lynch alot. What is puzzling me is the fact that we actually got a scum on the very first day,aka very rare in mafia. Looking at the people voting we can see that: So Veriat was scum and Jailbreaker was townie. Now if we assume that noone that voted On Veriat was scum then two of me, nreekay324 and AcesAnoka/Marvellosity must be scum. Now as for myself, I was seriously thought that Aces was looking way scummier than Veriat at the point of the lynch. I went to bed at about 22:00 and at that point where I left there were alot of indecisiveness on who to lynch. Thus I wasn't able to change my vote, although I'm not trying to archive town cred as I still think Aces looked more scummy in D1. While I can't be 100% sure that Marv/Aces is town, it makes alot of sense. nreekay324 could very well be scum tho. I still think that the odds of BOTH this players being scum is relativly low. + Show Spoiler + However, it is possible now that I am actually checking filters. During the 3 pages Marv posted this far he BARLY mentions nreekay324. nreekay324 himself is at first very suspicious against Aces, although when Marv replaces him he suddenly change his mind on him to town. This is somewhat strange to me... This means that someone in the inner circel, the ones who voted for Veriat in the first place must be scum. I still have a hard time seeing, Pure or Mordanis being scum as they were the ones who pushed for the vote at Veriat. Note that I'm in fact not including The_Zen_Man. I'm not sure what to think anymore about him. Yes it is true that he posted the first case on Veriat but he didn't actually push the case at all after that. It was Pure and Mordanis who did. during D2 he have posted not much at all. He states that he still think that WhySomuch is scum. I feel he is tunneling a little bit to hard atm and abusing the fact that he is "forever town" after D1. This is alot of WIFOM but for me he has at least lost his never-vote status. I'd say it's most likely he is town atm but not 100%. The other people in the circel: Golden: Still leaining town here. WhySoMuch: I'm not sure about this guy at all. As I'm lazy I will not post any evidence and such of this tho : ). I'm thinking that one out of Golden, The_Zen_Man and WhySoMuch is probebly scum. The most likely one is WhySoMuch but I don't want to be too fast on dissmissing the others! Lazermonkey, i don't know exactly what to make of this. I will leave the d1 lynch part for anylyzing later, now i want to answer to your "suspicions agansit me. Basically, you say that altough i made a case and voted for Veriat early i am suspicous because i didn't push for the lynch. This makes no sense, why would i write a case and vote for him if i didn't want him lynched? Also, i have only posted one post about WhySoMuch, not tunneled him that hard. The reason i choose him is because i dind't have that strong scum reads on anyone else. But if you want me to go on other people too i can do that. I can start with you. Pure wrote a post including many suspicous things, and reading it made me very suspicous of you. Also, reading this post made me suspicous as well. I, like pure and WhySoMuch, also saw the "Watched the drama on the phone" thing, and now you say that you went to sleep 22.00? | ||
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On May 04 2012 09:57 SexDoll wrote: reread a little more of lazermonkey because of that other post I quoted earlier and cus I saw whysomuch voting him and think this post is interesting. Lazer post is a defence of zen_man with an attack on aces (who I think is a likely towno). It's interesting because both cases are very thin and he has fairly strong opinions in opposite directions on each of them. If Lazer is a scummo, he's very unlikely to take this position if aces and zenman are both towndawgs. It's too viable for ppl to go either way on both of these ppl for him to take such a hard stance on them if they were both townspeople. Scum will either back off on these ppl to let the townsos make a bad decision, or they will chose the line of reasoning that makes either of them more likely to be scum. SOOO given my initial reads on lazer and aces, if lazer flips scum, we can probably turbolynch thezenman the next day Please make a better explanation to why i should be "turbolynched" if lazer flips scum? Also, try to read all of the thread before forming a opinion. | ||
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On April 27 2012 13:33 O.Golden_ne wrote: Good Morning. I'm going to give my opinion on the recent voting events. My initial opinion on a first day lynch was that it was a bad idea to avoid a lynch for the sake of being scared of a mis-lynch. This opinion still stands, however i feel that with such little posting from everyone its very hard to get a good read on anyone making it very easy to mafia to twist the voting without seeming suspicious. I would postulate to everyone who hasn't voted yet to hold off until closer to the deadline and let everyone who has voted thoroughly explain themselves. I'm not against anyone's votes yet, however i am against voting without any obvious critical analysis out in the open. I want to see where you're coming from. Please show me. When i open filters, for example nreekay's; I see very little posting or speculating and then the start of a bandwagon against Whysomuch. I've seen yomi's play before and i understand he likes to be aggressive, and i like his aggression.. i just hope it isn't misplaced aggression and i want him to explain to me why he has picked WhySoMuch other than for his pro-first-day-lynch attitude and his contrary views on the percentages of lynching. i think you have to pick your battles and maybe lynching people with opposing views might not be the key, opposing views lead to discussion, which leads to correct eviction. @Jailbreaker - why the vote for yomi? please explain. @yomi - can you explain to me your position on whysomuch @nreekay - you have confused me greatly with such an unreasoned vote, please explain @whysomuch - i understand your suspicion for the_zen_man, but do you think it is grounds for a lynching? how strongly do you feel he is mafia? @the_zen_man - please rebut to why_so_much not with a vote but with a clear explanation of your innocence and your views on the people voting for whysomuch. Golden This was O.Golden_ne first post were he posted about other players. It may have been because of the early game, but he is not really contributing much here at all, just asking for peoples opinions and answers. He also tries to be the mediator, someone who posts a lot, but is not really adding much. On April 27 2012 15:05 O.Golden_ne wrote: I agree Jailbreaker, we definitely need some more discourse on people actions. If you feel this voting for yomi will pressure that conversation to happen then i'm happy for you to do that. I also see this vote as a defence of WhySoMuch from Nreekay and Yomi's 'vampires&werewolves' related votes. I really need to hear from these two as soon as possible, with as much detail as they can provide. I want these votes to have a basis rather than being emotional or defensive votes. Nreekay and Yomi if you two are town you've a strange way of showing it. To me Town is represented by clear, concise and reasoned posts with references and the goal of enlightening the group. Voting for the sake of voting creates an atmosphere of defensive attitudes and alot of misplaced suspicions, please explain your motive. Still waiting from answers from several people. Golden. Here golden tries to make his mediator role more solid, as he is advicing yomi and Nreekay on how a townie should act. Again, not adding much, just asking for others opinions. On April 27 2012 16:27 O.Golden_ne wrote: Thank you for posting Jailbreaker. Okay so you feel yomi's vote is for WhySoMuch is due to his lurking. Just to shed some light on the matter, is it your opinion that an agressive stance towards lurkers (yomi) is less favourable than someone who would jump on a bandwagon such as that so easily? (nreekay). Perhaps the small shred of logic yomi has shown in his lurking argument makes him less suspicious than Nreekay? I'm just speculating at the moment, still a while to go before i cast any personal judgement. Golden Again, he is not contributing that much, only asking for other peoples opinions. He acts like someone who is contributing much, and although he post more than most players he does not add much. This probably led many players to see him as one of the "leaders" of this game. On April 28 2012 01:54 O.Golden_ne wrote: Hi everyone, So i've sat back and had a thought about how things are looking and here is my current read. I'm going to post my opinions before bed now, and then cast my vote tomorrow based on any discussion that ensues in the next few hours. Currently my top 3 suspects: 1. Nreekay324 Filter 2. AcesAnoka Filter 3. Jailbreaker Filter Reasoning: Nreekay has been very elusive. He has lurked, and then jumped on someone else's vote in a fashion that leads me to think he was aiming for a bandwagon. He has had ample time to rebut to any accusations and explain his position on WhySoMuch but has still yet to be heard from. Lurking and impulse voting, i would be happy to lynch him if he can't seriously change his act. AcesAnoka opened with some confusing statements, then lurked hard. While i understand one can't be active 24/7 i still feel like everything he has posted has been fairly fluffy with not much of substance to it. My read on his vote on yomi is that of the two (arguabley) most suspicious player (atleast, most talked about so far) yomi and nreekay, he would prefer to pick yomi: perhaps because if nreekay is mafia he wants to keep him alive. I feel nreekay appears far more scummy than yomi, and there may be a slight correlation between these two characters. JailBreaker's stance on yomi is reasoned on his assault on "lurkers". I felt this to be fairly aggressive play for mafia, thats why he is below the previous two. However the logic in his argument against yomi seems flawed, it appears he has targeted him solely for bandwagoning. His largest post to date appears that he is trying to appear helpful (a recurring theme) without doing a whole lot. For Jailbreaker to 'break' out of my 3rd place scum it wouldn't be hard, he would need to add a little more depth to his posting. Thoughts everyone? I'm reserving judgement on yomi at the present time, though his aggro play leads me to believe him to be town. His style is similar to Jailbreakers albeit it more active than re-active. The active nature makes him less suspicious to me then Jailbreakers. Currently i'm probably skeptical on yomi and he's probably next under JailBreaker. @Splinter, @WhySoMuch, @PureSC2 i get town vibes from you three, don't let me down.. @Mordanis you seem town though i'm watching you very closely as you appear very guarded. @Veriat @LazerMonkey You puzzle me. Get active or i'll start scrutinizing you alot harder and get a proper read on you. This post might seem like he is adding stuff, but he is really just sumarizing or writing facts that are known to most players. He is adding very little. Also, he complains on others not contributing, and although he has posted much he has not helped much either. He later post about his hesitation in voting for Veriat, but in the end he post this: On April 29 2012 06:12 O.Golden_ne wrote: @Mordanis I am willing to vote for Veriat. I've said this several times. Look, we've got one hour left.. as Veriat is on my list so i'll change my vote. I am happy to lynch him based on his general lack of team play, evident in his posts and mainly his lurking. To make this last hour easier for town i'll post my vote now so that it is confirmed. However before i do this remember that no matter what the outcome of todays lynch we have to consider Nreekay and AcesAnoka. I still have strong reads on these players and i will cross-reference their actions to how the lynch pans out when i am better rested. If Veriat flips town i will want to question those pushing for Veriats lynch over AcesAnoka. If Veriat flips mafia perhaps our town will be a little more unified. Either way, we will have one less voter and one less lurker. Here comes the end of our first day. ##Unvote AcesAnoka ## Vote: Veriat It is true that he voted for Veriat, but that does not make him clear from suspicions. Golden might have seen Veriat as dead anyways (he did have 6 votes already) and decided to vote for him as a late vote would look better than a vote on someone else. He later says that his reason fot the late vote was because he was more suspicous of Aces. On April 29 2012 13:38 O.Golden_ne wrote: Holy crap, I was just away from my computer and I'm not sure if im delirious from these strange hours I've been keeping but I've had a thought and rushed back to check the thread. Please hear me out, I know it's night and it makes it a very dangerous time to be posting something like this for fear of getting shot but i really want to put it out there regardless. Here goes. So AcesAnoka wasn't modkilled, perhaps this is because it would have led to TWO mafia being killed in the first day which is almost unheard of. Leaves me open to a snipe tonight but I will be asking everyone for their support In a lynch of AcesAnoka in day 2. Thoughts? Golden Then comes this. I am not sure why he posted this at night. He did not push much for Veriats lynch, and voted for him reluctantly in the end, so you can't blame it on him getting his thoughts out in fear of getting killed. Maybe this is an attempt to get a mislynch, as suspicouns of Aces was already high since the vote. Then there is a lot of going back and forth with him and WhySoMuch, which i will not get into. And then: [B]On May 03 2012 22:09 O.Golden_ne wrote: Sorry guys, personal life has been crazy the last few days and i'm afraid i have to pull out of this Mafia game.  i'm sorry everyone, things have just been crazy at home and i'm starting my new job this week and i really didn't realise how much thinking this game takes up. sorry, i hope a replacement can be found. I've PM'd artanis/ It is very strange for people to leave this late in the game, as most of those people often leve early. Maybe this is a action done out of fear from the suspicoins that was rising against him. Maybe his scum bro convinced him that a replacement of him would benefit the mafia, as suspicoins of him might decreace. Making this post has made me more suspicous of golden, and in turn sexdoll. That is why i will vote for him now. [b]##Vote: SexDoll | ||
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Regarding my vote on Jailbreaker, that was done so that we would reach a majority. Also, i was asked of an opinion of Golden/SexDoll, and when i was investigating him to form a opinion i found him suspicous. Frankly, i feel like it is a waste of time to be answering to all of these accusations from you Lazermonkey, as they are often weak and lacking in many things. If you really want to prove that you are town, try to contribute with some analysis and cases. | ||
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On May 05 2012 05:42 Lazermonkey wrote: Obviously lying is. But that is not the point. And majority would've been reached with or without you vote. It didn't matter. Sure if we were one vote short and it was 15 minutes to lynch-time. But this was not the case. I don't think it's a waste of time. You've been 100% confirmed town since D1 and have had an insanly easy time to blend in. Yet if you ignore your case on Veriat I'd say you would be a very strong scumread for me. I am still conflicted on wether to vote on you or SexyDoll, as you are equally scummy. Could some other people post their views on Lazer and SexyDoll? | ||
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Secondly, Lazermonkey, i did express my suspicions here: QUOTE]On May 03 2012 21:57 The_Zen_Man wrote: On May 03 2012 06:34 Lazermonkey wrote: Okay so here we go! I've been thinking about the D1 lynch alot. What is puzzling me is the fact that we actually got a scum on the very first day,aka very rare in mafia. Looking at the people voting we can see that: So Veriat was scum and Jailbreaker was townie. Now if we assume that noone that voted On Veriat was scum then two of me, nreekay324 and AcesAnoka/Marvellosity must be scum. Now as for myself, I was seriously thought that Aces was looking way scummier than Veriat at the point of the lynch. I went to bed at about 22:00 and at that point where I left there were alot of indecisiveness on who to lynch. Thus I wasn't able to change my vote, although I'm not trying to archive town cred as I still think Aces looked more scummy in D1. While I can't be 100% sure that Marv/Aces is town, it makes alot of sense. nreekay324 could very well be scum tho. I still think that the odds of BOTH this players being scum is relativly low. + Show Spoiler + However, it is possible now that I am actually checking filters. During the 3 pages Marv posted this far he BARLY mentions nreekay324. nreekay324 himself is at first very suspicious against Aces, although when Marv replaces him he suddenly change his mind on him to town. This is somewhat strange to me... This means that someone in the inner circel, the ones who voted for Veriat in the first place must be scum. I still have a hard time seeing, Pure or Mordanis being scum as they were the ones who pushed for the vote at Veriat. Note that I'm in fact not including The_Zen_Man. I'm not sure what to think anymore about him. Yes it is true that he posted the first case on Veriat but he didn't actually push the case at all after that. It was Pure and Mordanis who did. during D2 he have posted not much at all. He states that he still think that WhySomuch is scum. I feel he is tunneling a little bit to hard atm and abusing the fact that he is "forever town" after D1. This is alot of WIFOM but for me he has at least lost his never-vote status. I'd say it's most likely he is town atm but not 100%. The other people in the circel: Golden: Still leaining town here. WhySoMuch: I'm not sure about this guy at all. As I'm lazy I will not post any evidence and such of this tho : ). I'm thinking that one out of Golden, The_Zen_Man and WhySoMuch is probebly scum. The most likely one is WhySoMuch but I don't want to be too fast on dissmissing the others! Lazermonkey, i don't know exactly what to make of this. I will leave the d1 lynch part for anylyzing later, now i want to answer to your "suspicions agansit me. Basically, you say that altough i made a case and voted for Veriat early i am suspicous because i didn't push for the lynch. This makes no sense, why would i write a case and vote for him if i didn't want him lynched? Also, i have only posted one post about WhySoMuch, not tunneled him that hard. The reason i choose him is because i dind't have that strong scum reads on anyone else. But if you want me to go on other people too i can do that. I can start with you. Pure wrote a post including many suspicous things, and reading it made me very suspicous of you. Also, reading this post made me suspicous as well. I, like pure and WhySoMuch, also saw the "Watched the drama on the phone" thing, and now you say that you went to sleep 22.00? [/QUOTE] What made me really suspicous is the lying part, as i stated in my post. | ||
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On May 05 2012 06:20 Lazermonkey wrote: I kinda want to go to bed atm, going up like rly early next morning. I'm sticking with SexDoll. If he flips mafia -> The_Zen_Man is probebly just bad. If he flips town ->The_Zen_Man is probebly scum. Lazermonkey, explain to me how SexDoll flipping town makes me scum too? | ||
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