EPTAnd action = vote, calling somebody scum several times and not voting is definitely NOT action. It's more like "i make the impression i am active but i better wait till a wagon forms".
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And action = vote, calling somebody scum several times and not voting is definitely NOT action. It's more like "i make the impression i am active but i better wait till a wagon forms". | ||
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I will not move my vote from layabout I make often not much sense, yes, but have you ever considered that it is because of information asymmetry, meaning that I don't have any information on anything, while scum can play with me like I was a bouncy ball? I don't have time to debunk your read, DoYouHas, nor do I want to. I want to show you that I am a victim of my horrble town play and from some mean bullying. While you guys were busy about pushing Nova (don't care much about him, I don't like mementoss's (nemesis of N_T) posting not very much either), I was struggling with layabout and SA. For some reason they subconsciously wanted to push me. Look at this one: On May 03 2012 07:09 SomethingAwesome wrote: blubbdavid scum... all townies are blue its blue vs red. ##vote blubbdavid -mattchew That was 29 minutes into the game. He jumped at me without explanation and shit. But this can happen to anyone, yes. So game continues I am pushing against layabout, then there comes the mind reading affair: I am talking about how some actions of layabout make him less scummy. And what does SA do, who has buddied up with layabout? Accuses me of being scum because I seem to know too much. Instead of being relieved that I, blubbdavid, one of the few who were pushing his buddy layabout, he accuses me of being scum instead. Come, no one accuses someone as scum when said scum is reconsidering his tunneling. Except when you are a bad townie (SA) who is reading too much into the wrong person and too little into the right one. But why do I think that SA is town? Because that guy is seriously convinced that I am scum. If he was scum, he would be pushing much more discreet, and that's where we land at layabout, who is abusing his naive townbuddy in pushing me hard. layabout: On May 03 2012 08:04 layabout wrote: I just want to warn all of the "area 53" guys that policy lynching is no better an option in this game than it ever was before. I know that a few of you are currently feeling like we should place all lurkers and confusing posters into the fire. But the majority of those players will be town and lynching into them is likely to kill (admittedly useless) townies. We are going to be polite in this game. We are going to vote at appropriate times. We are going to act in town's interest's using methods that are simple and explainable. And we are going to destroy red. On May 07 2012 05:41 layabout wrote: You are full of crap [1]ways like what exactly? relying on the calimed vig in the hopes that we have an engineer and they picked refill ammo and life over doctor? relying on having a blu demoman that has placed bombs on the players we want, and then manages to get themselves killed? relying on red not having a medic that can counteract these night hits? The lynch is the most reliable way to kill players if we decide to. There are so many lurkers that we cannot grant them immunity from the lynch on the grounds that "our blues will deal with them" as you are doing. Would you have us ignore scummy players that are lurking and lynch elsewhere? If BM had been the only death 1 we would be in a similar position to most towns that ever were having mislynched a townie day 1. [2]The candidates we had when i opened the thread where grush57 5 votes and then a few people with 1-2 votes. The votes were spread out. I thought and still think that grush is town. Lynching a "lurker" was the best move we could have made+ Show Spoiler + Strictly speaking BM was an inactive. [3]??? Let's pretend that you didn't post this: which describes the information gained from lynching me, after you emphasized the value of information. You want to kill me because i pushed a lynch that didn't give us much information. Boo fucking Hoo. That is not the point of a lynch. You lynch to kill scum. When you are desperate you might lynch a lurker (who has a chance of flipping scum) over player that are active or that you have town reads on. [4]He is dead isn't he? I got the lynch onto him, and i would do it again. I am also going to shamelessly hijack Palmar's reputation by pointing out that he supported a BM lynch and he flipped VanillaTown/Blu Team + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2012 06:20 Palmar wrote: ##Vote Bill Murray [5]"questionable defense?" i think ghost summed it up here: *ghost tragically forgot this later on when other people suggested killing me. [6]You will weep tears and become the laughing stock of the entire forum! Classy defense. Not. Seems like a scum having an entire flagpole up his ass. Why didn't layabout defend against my accusations so vigorously like he did here in this post against Eiii. Seems pretty clear, I am his lynchprey for today, and that's why he didn't want to draw attention, else it would seem like an OMGUS. Do what you want today. Lynch NT if you like, I am neutral about this one Lynch me if you want to get rid off a bad townie. Lynch layabout if you want town to win. And SA, I think you are wasting too much energy into my death. Maybe you would actually be helpful for town if your posts that DON'T contain my name weren't so fluffy. (and oh yeah, I also thought that BM was scum but does that make me scum. Well, as much as it would make layabout scum.) | ||
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blubbdavid
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but atleast it contains more info than all of SA's post combined | ||
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On May 08 2012 04:22 blubbdavid wrote: l(don't care much about him, I don't like mementoss's (nemesis of N_T) posting not very much either) should it be "don't like m's posting not much either" or "don't like m's posting much either"? | ||
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Coincidentally, the only other posts of you that are not fluffy are those where you pushed against layabout. Now, your suspicions on layabout have flown away like a bird on a midsummer sunday. Has mattchew eaten Dirk's head and is playing as dirk and matt at the same time or what? | ||
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On May 08 2012 04:48 SomethingAwesome wrote: [1]And you are twisting my words. I never said you knew to much. I said some of your posts are written with a tone and word choice indicating that you know peoples allignment. [2]But you didn't reconsider your read did you? You have never expressed that you might see layabout as town. You just didn't want to commit to pushing layabout all the way and was wishy washy with your "scumread". Trying to backpaddle to be ready when layabout flipped town. //Dirk [1]semantics. don't get lost in semantics. [2]nope, never reconsidered it, because his voting behaviour is not the only aspect of him. my suspicion on him is the sum of his posting, voting behaviour, general behaviour etc. You yourself have raised some very well points against layabout. But your suspicions against him somehow vanished miraculously. | ||
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On May 08 2012 04:52 ghost_403 wrote: Blubbdavid's defense in this situation is pretty much identical to what he did in Aperture Mafia. Instead of addressing the case against him, he tries to push another lynch. He rolled scum that game. Between the fact that Layabout has a good case on him, the fact that he isn't/won't address it, and that he's playing his scum meta to a T, I say we ##vote blubbdavid agreed. I am omgusing like i did in aperture. | ||
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On May 08 2012 04:54 SomethingAwesome wrote: Look, Blubb, either you call me town and leave me be or you call me scum for not thinking layabout is scum anymore. Layabouts play D2 have been good town play. He have been a part of discussion, defended himself, pushed reads and generelly been a good part of this thread (unlike so many others). We are both online at the moment. //Dirk I think you are town. But I am really interested how your views on layabout changed. So his d2 play was good? Doesn't invalidate his d1 play. And god, he always had in mind to push me. Let's call out Eiii here a little bit, a little Nova_Terra pushing there, and boom, let's vote for blubbdavid. | ||
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you know, looking for such petty details isn't helpful in general. and in the end it comes all down to semantics. | ||
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For all the others, looking through layabouts d2 filter is fairly easy: here his first post of d2: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=331187¤tpage=35#686 Read through the rest, look at him hesitating to really take action (voting) for anyone. And then there comes the vote against me, during a period where I have been afk for a long time. | ||
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ye, most of the time I am not motivated at all, and seldomly there is passion burning inside me. burn | ||
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Forgive me town, for I have failed. But: Where a door closes, another one opens. | ||
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Our town was gruesome in this game. | ||
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