EPTif laya flips scum NT and grush are probably not scum.
If laya flips town, possibility of a NT paqman scum team, or Grush/Sinesis. Replace Sinesis with someone else random like papapanda/froggy.
NT and Grush most likely are not scum together.
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if laya flips scum NT and grush are probably not scum. If laya flips town, possibility of a NT paqman scum team, or Grush/Sinesis. Replace Sinesis with someone else random like papapanda/froggy. NT and Grush most likely are not scum together. | ||
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On May 11 2012 05:54 layabout wrote: these players have, in some way or another made me think that they are town. Mementoss marvellosity PaqMan Sinensis ghost_403 Nova_Terra Blazinghand froggynoddy the order means nothing, some of these i am sure are town whilst i have doubts about a few of them. Im really interested what Sinensis ghost_403 has done to make u think they are town. They have not done anything all game. | ||
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dafuq. I forgot On May 11 2012 08:24 PaqMan wrote: @MT if you think I'm scum then push a case against me. You keep making idle comments on how you think I'm scummy but you aren't putting forth anything. Planning on it. A couple things caught my eye. I just need to get around to doing it. I just am scared I am reading you wrong, cause everyone thought you were town early in LIII and I wasn't sure and it turned out you were actually town. | ||
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On May 11 2012 20:22 froggynoddy wrote: As much as this list puts me in a good light this is plain stupid, all scum have to do is hit the bottom half of the table that isnt them and they hugely increase their chance of winning, we are still ahead, lets hunt scum not use some hald-arsed policy lynch (which is essentially what this is). Not only that but the fact that you've posted this during the night, thus feeding them essentially a priority list. The only person who is pretty much confirmed town to the rest of us is BH (the only situation I can see where he is not is that he is bomber... but I don't know if one could place a bomb and detonate the same day... regardless this possibility is like less than 1% IMO), l10F, rather than make a list, make a detailed case of Eiii and Marv (your top two scum reads), and if either of you is town... MAKE AN EFFORT TO DISPUTE THAT CASE!! The main reason I think Grush and/or NT are most likely to flip scum is that they have been absolutely terrible at arguing against a case that has been presented to them (as well due to as the cases themselves). This, more than lurking (I would say) is hurting town the most as if you were town you would wnat town's energies to be diverted onto a more valid target. One of the goals of any townie is too make sure that if a case is put against you that you dismiss it allowing town to focus on a valid target. No-one has done this apart from layabout (and we lynched him -_-). Either you are scum that cannot defend a case brought against you or you are wasting town's energy and time (which is starting to become a more serious factor) by not adequately defending yourselves. There is no way mafia can have extra KP night 1 is there? I assume this is what your talking about. RED Demoman Mad Hatter I LEFT SCRUMPY FOR THIS MATCH, SO BRING IT ON, DOUBLE EYED MONSTERS! Plants bomb during the night. Might move it OR detonate it every night. Has one bomb which counts as 1KP. It detonates after he dies. Can a bomb be placed and detonated on night one? | ||
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On May 11 2012 13:53 l10f wrote: Here's a 100% objective view of the situation. 1 is most likely scum 11 is most likely town. 1. Eiii 2. marvellosity 3. grush57 4. papapanda 5. PaqMan 6. Nova_Terra 7. Sinensis 8. l10f 9. Mementoss 10. froggynoddy 11. Blazinghand Let's just lynch in this order and win? Wait,wait,wait,wait what?! Does anyone else not see this. 1 is most likely scum and 11 is most likely town. So he thinks Me, BH, and froggy are more town then HIMSELF. WHEN HE KNOWS HIS OWN ROLE. WTF? If he was actually town he would be 100% confirmed town on his own list. This is a scum slip. If I10F is scum, scum most likely lies between number 4 and number 7. | ||
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Since how did froggy become super townie all of a sudden. What the hell has he even done? Please read his filter BH. There is so many ridiculous statements. I'll point out a few. On April 27 2012 03:32 l10f wrote: /in if you'll have me, I'll be pretty much free for the next 2 weeks. Or I could play with Mattchew. I know this isn't much. But for a "townie" being completely free and apparently reading the thread. His filter is 1 pages and lackluster. On May 08 2012 08:28 l10f wrote: At least I voted for scum. Sorry I missed the deadline to vote, but neither N_T or blubb looked scummier than Eiii to me, so I wouldn't have known which of the two to vote for even if I was here. Especially with that last second switch that makes no sense... There is no way for him to know this. He is distancing himself from the townie lynch here. Never explains why he doesn't find N_T or blubb scummy. I think he has been distancing himself from townie lynches all game actually. No vote day 1. Eiii Day 2. Grush day 3. On May 09 2012 12:31 l10f wrote: 1 day less! Just saying, I don't think N_T is scum. I think a better lynch candidate will be... marvellosity! He's pretty much attacked every "easy" targets including BM, papa, me, N_T, (a little bit) blubb, and johnny. Protected Kenpachi and Katina, and he gets very defensive even at a one line poke at the side. Including all these quotes would make my post unnecessarily big, but I'm pretty confident on marv being scum. Doesn't ever explain why N_T is not scum. And this tone just seems like he pulled out a random name. Then writes a 2 line reason why. On May 09 2012 12:32 l10f wrote: What I mean to say about N_T being scum is, he's been too easy to push on both days, and if I'm right about marv, he jumped onto N_T vote fairly early and didn't switch to blubb. He must have known that they are both town! I guess that really falls apart if marv flips blue though! Hes been so easy to push that he has been second in line for lynch every day. But never dies. So easy eh? On May 09 2012 12:34 l10f wrote: Also, I'm reading this thread often, I just don't post if I don't have anything to add to the discussion. I'm not really good at picking out many scum, but I think I'm pretty good at weighing other people's cases and using them to deduce who the scum is, so I just read all the cases and vote for the person I think is the most scummy. Neither N_T or blubb gave me that feeling last day, so I voted for neither. Again, I don't feel N_T is scum so I'm holding my vote for now. If we don't get a better candidate I'm gonna go with my gut feeling and vote marv. I dont post cases cuz im bad. (using the newb card) I read cases and pick the case that is on a townie. If that is to obvious I just vote for someone random and be the only person voting him. Again WHY do you not think nova is scum. Gut feeling is for scum. It's used when you have no fucking explanation for your actions and are to scared to say scummy shit and get caught. On May 11 2012 13:45 l10f wrote: Posting his reads on me != wanting me to be investigated. You can, if you want, but you won't find anything because I'm town. At least, I haven't done anything that would make anyone think I'm scum. Anyway, it looks like I was right all along, scum is in Eiii/marv/grush. Eiii most likely. This is a bit late from early game to be saying "Im town" for no reason. Hes not even suspected here. But I think its the third time in the thread where he throws in a "Im town" for good measures. Or a face to make people like him -_______________________- Also the second part is so so so scummy. I haven't done anything to make anyone think im scum. What. So your purposely not doing anything and being safe so you don't look scummy? At least you have done that? You haven't done anything. And again how do you know your right, that scum is in Eiii/marv/grush good thing you gave three options, for an out when one of them flips town. I already explained why the list is scummy. Also BH made some good points on why the list is awful. If I10f is scum, he strategically placed people that are most likely to die tonight (mementoss, BH) and strategically placed his scum buddy around 4-7 after a couple mislynches so town would lose in the MLYL. N_T I10f scum team. | ||
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On May 11 2012 22:22 Blazinghand wrote: Also the idea that I'm somehow scum is utterly preposterous. Scum N1 at best had an extra half-KP. Typical Hatters either can't manually detonate their bombs, or must do so via action on a subsequent night. The Mafia Vigi has only 0.5 KP, and although it is technically possible that Mafia had 2 Vigis, 2 of the 3 Mafia players had to be sending in the night kills N1, which means at most one Mafia player had a free action that night. Just making sure someone isn't getting a free pass because something in the roles was over looked. Gotta cover all basis. I don't suspect you just making sure of the rules. | ||
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On May 11 2012 22:33 marvellosity wrote: Mementoss, a question for you - in the event of an NT/l10f scumteam, the thing that strikes me is Nova's post saying that lynching down the list was a good idea. Do you think they'd do that as a scumpair? Would you expect any more from Nova's particularly poor play all game? And of course Nova would want to lynch down the list. Town would lose before Nova would ever get lynched. He would definitely agree to this as scum. Less likely I supposed to agree if I10f and NT are scum. In a game that has been focused on people being like OMG he defended him and he was scum so he is scum. And OMG he voted him he is scum, type cases. I think it is reasonable that both these players avoid being on the townie lynches almost always. Nova votes: Day 1 Mementoss Day 2 Kenpachi Day 3 Papapanda | ||
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On May 12 2012 01:35 l10f wrote: The mafia is winning. We haven't had a single good lynch and I'm sure they've led the mislynches we had so far. We've had no sign of DT or medic. We still don't have a single solid scumread on anyone. If we keep arguing about if its A or B, the scumteam will just tip the balance towards their victory every day. We as town need to consolidate our vote so 2 votes won't affect anything. So whatever we do, effectively it'll just be a list of scummy people and lynching #1 on that list. I made it easier for us and made one in a completely town point of view. If you think my list sucks, then tell me what we should do, because obviously we're not doing things right. Its pretty hard to "tip the balance" with 2/12 people. Thats also why I say don't throw away your votes as a townie. If the person you think is not going to get lynched and you can't convince anyone else. Then use your best judgement to vote for who you think is scummiest that has a possiblity of getting lynched. Throwing away your vote on a person with 0 votes ultimately gives the mafia heavier sway in deciding who gets lynched. And no 2 mafia to 10 townies is a good position. We haven't lost any PR's but I doubt we have any. If we keep the discussion active town will win. The fact that half the town is quiet most of the town is the only chance of town losing. | ||
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On May 12 2012 01:45 marvellosity wrote: I've bolded the bits that are even more bollocks than the rest. 1) you're sure they've led the mislynches? Eiii hasn't led anything, that's for sure. I've been in favour of a Nova_Terra lynch since night 1/day 2, and layabout led the BM lynch. Ergo, bollocks. 2) we have solid scumreads. tried reading the thread? bollocks. 3) you made it easier for us? a bollocks list based on the complete contradiction of point 1) made in a totally mythical 'completely townie point of view'? Bollocks. Marv he says so many things without any back up. Eg, "At least I voted scum" I point more of this out in my case that he buried. He bullshitting his way through the entire game. What do you think of the case I presented on him? What do you think of his recent explosion of scum posts/lack of defense? Lack of any opinion really. | ||
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On May 12 2012 05:44 l10f wrote: And why exactly would I do that if I was scum when I had nearly 0 suspicion on me. And even if I did, I could have at least survived through N_T and Grush lynches if I just shut up. So here you are admitting to acting like scum. The real question is why would you act like scum if you were town? | ||
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Lynch NT first. l10f is a close second. Either lynch would be good. Trust Blazinghand. Blazinghand don't ever say you will eat your hat, it never works out. Actually if you have your doubts about him, just try explain the night 1 extra KP. If you have doubts ask hosts questions. Keep an eye on Marv and Paqman. I think they are both town but do not give them free passes examine their play. (Yes I was trying to make a case against paq, but then thought I was wrong about it) If you are in this list, and actually are town stop lurking, froggy, eiii, papapanda, grush. Anyone in this list could also be the second scum. Scum: N_T l10f Null red: eiii Null: Froggy papapanda grush Light blue: Marv Paqman Royal Blue: Blazinghand | ||
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Damn I thought it was Marv/Papapanda scum team. | ||
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On May 20 2012 06:15 marvellosity wrote: Mem, town didn't have the clout to lynch me. froggy and I won from an 11-2 situation with one KP, i'm proud of us Yeah for sure gg on your part wp. I shouldn't have got off you as easily as I did day 2. | ||
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On May 20 2012 08:07 grush57 wrote: Yea but it doesn't change the fact that all the other townies failed, even though we had such a high chance of winning with the modkills.I played terrible but at many times I didn't feel the need to contribute because cases were already made that I agreed with and then if I posted anything I would just get accused of being a sheepy scum. However, I did call a lot of the mafia, I just didn't explain because of the cases already made. Town works needs to work as a team (to a certain point), not a bunch of individuals. The fact that there were almost half the town acting anti town and inactive made scum hunting precisely very very hard. The day TL town's start to win more often, is the day people learn to establish themselves as town, and commit to being active in the game. Everyone knows deciding between anti town and scum is very hard, and its very easy for scum to push a case off themselves onto someone like yourself or nova_terra (this game at least). | ||
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