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On May 07 2012 22:07 froggynoddy wrote:EBWOP: was reading through blubb's and then NT's filter's, (NT's attack of him seems odd: did he explain wtf he meant by that?!?) as former being your vote and the latter having the most votes. I'd rather blub defended himself as it will give us more to work with but a lot of what you've said, Laya, seem to be a criticism of blubb's Day 1 vote logic, which as we all know is bound to be weak. Most of our votes were bound to be wrong, and all of our logic to be hugely flawed due to limited evidence.
Cause the Kenpachi case is so much better. Two policy lynches in a row, really? Is this how we are going to play town. Reading the recent filter, and how layabout has been responding and contributing I am not sure if he is scum or not, I will not be voting him today. Why vote Kenpachi when he is getting replaced...? Anyone voting on him, take the time to look into the cases, vote the best one and explain it. A vote on kenpachi is a cop out to allow yourself to lurk and not contribute.
I will be voting either NT or Blubb, I will switch to make the other get lynched if needed. I think both are good lynches that have good chance to flip scum. DYH presented a good case on blubb, but as other pointed out, I am not sure if it is just bad town play or not, im leaning towards scum. In nova_terras case I know it isn't bad town, cause I have seen his town play a lot, and although he may not be right, he puts in a lot of effort. He has put in 0 effort this game. If he is town, he is being retarded.
For now I will leave my vote on NT.
-Also stop spamming up the thread, im glad SA un buried DYH good case against blubb.
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On May 08 2012 03:24 DoYouHas wrote:
We have a tight race between 2(3) candidates and less than 3 hours left in the day. Where has everybody gone?
I am here, will re-go through Nova and Blubbs cases. Is there any specific reason why you would think Blubb is worth lynching over Nova?
Also this:
The following people are in danger of getting modkilled: ghost_403, johnnywup, PaqMan*, grush57
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On May 08 2012 06:25 ghost_403 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2012 05:11 grush57 wrote:
Yeah meta is so much better, especially because he is gonna turn out town by the way he is posting, didn't the day end 10 minutes ago?
Well good thing grush kept his vote on someone who thought was going to flip town -_-
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Also cheers to I10f, Nova_Terra, and Paqman for wasting there votes!
Aka, voting someone who has no chance of getting lynched and not trying to actively push that player, or convince anyone else why they are scum/to vote them. I guess having your vote have no influence on the outcome at all is good for keeping away from a WIFOM vote analysis paper trail. >_>
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On May 08 2012 07:16 PaqMan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2012 06:32 Mementoss wrote:
Also cheers to I10f, Nova_Terra, and Paqman for wasting there votes!
Aka, voting someone who has no chance of getting lynched and not trying to actively push that player, or convince anyone else why they are scum/to vote them. I guess having your vote have no influence on the outcome at all is good for keeping away from a WIFOM vote analysis paper trail. >_> So you're telling me that I should have taken my vote off someone I think is scum and sheep/wagonhop/board the train on someone I didn't think was that much scummy? No thanks, I want to win. I made a case, the only problem was that it was 11 at night, I had to wake up early to take a college exam, and had class the rest of the day. Obviously I didn't have time to push it. layabout your hard defense of kenpachi is yucky. Also, he's allowed to purposely play anti-town just because he's KP? (Sounds familiar, BM @ LIII) layabout isn't that the reason you pushed BM's lynch? Yeah don't even get on my ass about KP. I don't believe that he's been sooooooo busy to play, yet he's spamming the thread with so many 1-liners and "coincidentally" shows up after I put out my case on him and vote. I also don't believe that he's asked for a replacement because, guess what, there isn't anyone signed up to be a replacement. I didn't waste my vote. I didn't think NT was that much scummy anymore and I'm not going to lynch someone that I'm not confident is scum. If I was scum I could have easily left my vote on him, especially since I was THE FIRST PERSON TO EVEN VOTE NT, and I could have easily gotten away with it. Kenpachi's my scummiest read and if pressuring him makes me scum, that's coolbeans. I just wont understand your logic.
Don't twist my words, I never said bandwagon. I said it was wasted if you don't push why you think someone is scummy, obviously don't place your vote on someone you think is town, just because the cool kids are doing it. I'm saying wasting a vote is when you as a townie, truely believe you got scum, to the point that it is better than every case out there and you don't push people to try and consider it. Clearly if you really thought Kenpachi was scum, you would have been all over people asking them why they prefer the current lynch over Kenpachi, and try to strengthen your own case on Kenpachi. Also, if your going to stick with your guns to a vote that never is going to happen, at least explain why the other cases are bad or why you think they are town. But, I guess anyone can play the I was too busy/wasn't here card.
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I agree with you here. The only thing that crossed my mind when I was first reading the thread is how Kenpachi and Blazinghand looked to try to be burying the post. Need to re-read and re-analyze how this late day lynch came about and how people explained their reasoning for voting Blubby.
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On May 09 2012 01:34 layabout wrote:
I am just gonna hope i get shot so i don't have to explain myself.
Again.
I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself.
I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself.
I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself.
I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself.
I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself.
I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself.
I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself.
I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself.
I think the point he is trying to make is you've put no commitment into any stance, basically just throwing words around at people and sheeping after the fact. The only real thing you've committed to is your defense posts. Otherwise, you just say things about people and drop the pressure or don't come to any solid conclusions about the person. It almost seems like you seem scared about calling people scum or their actions scummy, until you realize they are about to be lynched.
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On May 09 2012 04:50 froggynoddy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 04:30 johnnywup wrote:
I know it's not really a defense. Whatever. I'm requesting a replacement. Sorry guys. This is so stupid. People should not be able commit to a game if this happens half way through.
Johnny has been town six times in a row. He rolled scum. He does not how to play or how to act, so he lurks and places stalling posts. He pulls the pity I'm busy into I'm requesting replacement card.
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Great more modkills... <_<
On the idea of people defending Kenpachi and Kenpachi flipping scum, I'm not sure how much this means, his playstyle is really erratic, so as town it's really hard to tell his alignment. (Hell, I even soft defended him to get people to vote onto people I thought had better chances of flipping scum) However, I would like to look at the people that pushed him aggressively and confidently. There is NO way to be confident about a Kenpachi lynch unless you are scum with him. He is the perfect bus as he is a likely vig shot, and doesn't actively help the scum team in ways other than lurking. This being said, this makes me think scum Nova is even more scummy, trying to get town cred by doing nothing. Marv points this out well in the above post. Actually I agree with just about everything Marv posted in that last post.
Marv playing to his town meta, useless for a couple days and picking it up late game, I no longer find him that suspicious.
##Vote: Nova_Terra
DoYouHas and SomethingAwesome the BLU Depressed Soldiers were found dead. Not so sure about this. Probably some blue sniping going on, or getting rid of the veterans. Gotta re-look into their filter. WIFOM, they could be keeping me alive (as well as BH, why would they keep him alive with chance of engineer and close to confirmed town?) as hard pushers on Nova, hoping for a Nova mislynch. This is pure WIFOM, but something to think about.
More WIFOM, DYH had his doubts about Paqman and even had a case started against him before dropping it, but you could tell there was some doubts, BH also called paqman an "asset" to this town. DYH is dead, BH is alive after his claim. Coincidence? Maybe. Maybe not. Think about it. Look back into paqmans filter. Make an opinion on him.
Also Im seeing A LOT of players names, that I can't remember anything they posted off the back of my head, or any recent stances they made. Grush ever since the modkills and made himself look town has not been around, papapanda what has he done recently? Sinesis as well. Pressure these players. We need more out of them.
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Also playing with and looking into Nova_Terra saying "I think he is just a bad townie" does not suffice to me. As I said before his reads may not always be right as town but he actively tries to promote discussion and makes a good effort to make cases. There is only one situation I can think of that would make Nova not scum but I'm not going to go into it because its not solid and more of a gut feeling.
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On May 09 2012 10:19 PaqMan wrote:
Mementoss: What do you think of layabout and my case against him. You didn't make any mention of it.
Reading and will respond soon. But everything you said about NT I disagree with pretty strongly so far. I don't think its anything like the ottoxlol case. Ottoxlol defense was I don't understand the case, and claiming scum multiple times in the thread.
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Paqman I think your case is very good against Layabout, but a lot of it has been mentioned before. Points 1 2 and 5 look unique and I really like the way they are presented. Point #4 I don't think is the best, I defended Kenpachi do you think I am scum? I am pretty confident that laya or nt are scum but not both. I'm having trouble deciding which is the better lynch.
Also this quote in your case caught my eye mainly because of LIII trickery:
On May 07 2012 21:48 layabout wrote:
If blubbdavid Nova_Terra and Paqman are the remaining scum then kenpachi has got all of them.
I remember mattchew mentioned his WHOLE scum team in a similar type post. There is a chance that certain people voting quickly on kenpachi could be scum, the remaining left are Nova, Paqman and Froggy.
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On May 10 2012 01:14 Blazinghand wrote:
I used to have this awesomely durable flip phone. I legitimately used it to pound in nails once. Now I have a Samsung Galaxy Nexus, and I've traded the hammerkind attribute for being able to read/post on TL anywhere. A fair trade. So, I guess while we're here, got any questions for me Mementoss?
Sure. Do you still think Nova is the best lynch for the day? What are your recent thoughts on laya? Recent thoughts on marv?
Do you have any reads outside the popular candidates?
Do you still think that paq is town? Any possibility of a paqman/Nova scum team?
Im at school. Just typed the first Q's that came to my head. Going out tonight and working on report. Will try to post before I head out to the pub after school.
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On May 10 2012 02:00 Eiii wrote:
Oh, I should probably post this, too: I'm going to be voting for layabout. Obviously I wasn't convinced of his townieness yesterday and the flips only reinforced that suspicion!
How does the flip reinforce your suspicions.?
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Its sad how little town reads I have of the remaining 12 people.
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On May 10 2012 06:44 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 06:40 Mementoss wrote:
Its sad how little town reads I have of the remaining 12 people. Who are you favouring for the lynch after the activity in the last few pages?
NT still. Layabout a close second. Only other person I think is suspicious that is not a total lurker is possibly paqman. I have null reads on a lot of the lurkers I don't know which one would be best. Sinesis or Froggy probably. Im going out to the pub now. Will look into it when I get back.
NT still seems scummy as hell as does layabout. And all my current town reads are voting him which is usually a good sign. Gah not sure what to do. Will re-assess later.
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8 beers in nova still scummy
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I am here in a LoL game now. Anything you want to discuss lemme know. Just got home from school.
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On May 11 2012 04:45 marvellosity wrote:
Well, the last couple of pages with grush for starters. I want to know I'm not being stupid getting angry at him. Everything he posts seems scummy as fuck to me right now.
Also the fact that everyone voting for layabout seem to have just disappeared off the face of the earth approaching lynch-time, and he's set to be lynched.
I agree hes been acting stupidly all game and the way the flips went day 1 went just let him off the hook. I think hes just terrible though.
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On May 11 2012 05:30 Blazinghand wrote:
So from what I can tell NT is throwing away his vote on Panda presently. However, Grush has never made a case. The fact that layabout has voted him makes me not want to vote him, but it's possible there's a bus going on.
Having examined grush's filter and finding 0 pro-town posting, I am willing to vote grush instead of N_T, but only if there's no chance of getting N_T lynched. Is anyone else around?
I highly doubt the chance of a bus at 10-2 unless its between two highly scrutinized players, ala NT and layabout, but they aren't pushing each others lynches for most of the day. They would require like 5 mislynches to win and town still hasn't lost any power roles yet. (if there even is any)
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