EPTHere's what I've been looking for - wild swings in town sentiment. Why? Because I've got a scum-read on Ace and Ace is the master of directing/utilizing town sentiment. What I've noticed is that there have been NO wild swings in town sentiment, except for the most recent suspicion on me - but my playstyle this game has been very out of the ordinary, so I don't think anyone was responsible for that.
This made me go look at the events that have occurred in the thread and how people reacted to them.
D1 was pretty non-eventful. There was a little talk about mason claims and toward the end of the day there was a little talk about the lynch. This was when I posted my lynch list. On this lynch list was Radfield, Ace and Sbrubbles. I initially decided to vote for Ace, but reconsidered and voted for Sbrubbles in an earnest attempt to get a lynch to happen. Toad asked me why Sbrubbles and not (for instance) marv. My response was that I could lynch either marv or Sbrubbles based on the same reasoning.
This was when Radfield came into the thread
On April 24 2012 04:34 Radfield wrote:
Through the power of delegation I've made it back early
VE: My intention of voting you was simply to see how you would react to moderate pressure. In past games I've played with you you've gotten pretty panicky as scum when people start pushing you. My intention was to see your reaction, but I really couldn't follow through with any real pressure, since I haven't had the time.
I never really intended on getting you lynched, but when you disappeared it seemed out of character for you. Either way I don't think you are a good lynch candidate for today.
Likewise, I don't think voting Ace makes a lot of sense either. I've said this before and will say it again: Lynching a potentially strong player on day 1(in the absence of a strong case) is very poor play. In this game that would be myself, Ace and Sandro, as I would say all three of us are consistently strong town-aligned players. Lynching any of the three of us only does mafia a favor.
Shrubbles actually looks ok to me right now. He really only has two posts, as two of his posts are back to back. Though actually now that I look at it, they are timestamped on the exact same minute...
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How did you manage to write up that second post in 1 minute? I suppose you could have written it up beforehand, but if so, then why did you make two seperate posts? That makes no sense, so please explain.
Marvellosity seems like an ok lynch, though in the newbie game(Newbie VI) I hosted, marvellosity really only posted one liners during day 1, which is what he's doing here as well. I'd like to compare and contrast the two game before I make any serious judgement.
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Through the power of delegation I've made it back early
VE: My intention of voting you was simply to see how you would react to moderate pressure. In past games I've played with you you've gotten pretty panicky as scum when people start pushing you. My intention was to see your reaction, but I really couldn't follow through with any real pressure, since I haven't had the time.
I never really intended on getting you lynched, but when you disappeared it seemed out of character for you. Either way I don't think you are a good lynch candidate for today.
Likewise, I don't think voting Ace makes a lot of sense either. I've said this before and will say it again: Lynching a potentially strong player on day 1(in the absence of a strong case) is very poor play. In this game that would be myself, Ace and Sandro, as I would say all three of us are consistently strong town-aligned players. Lynching any of the three of us only does mafia a favor.
Shrubbles actually looks ok to me right now. He really only has two posts, as two of his posts are back to back. Though actually now that I look at it, they are timestamped on the exact same minute...
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On April 23 2012 12:39 Sbrubbles wrote:
I don't think VE is scummy and I don't trust cases based solely on meta. There's plenty of time for him to respond to accusations tomorrow, so we'll see what he says.
MrZentor's early game was both agressive and annoying. His case on prplhz was pretty bad in my opinion and the self vote thing could mean absolutely anything (and, therefore, only causes confusion at this point). Still, the only game I've played with him he was scum, but his play was (at least initially) more calm and poised, so I am unsure what to make of this. I don't know whether I'd vote for him or not, gotta think more on it.
Prplhz, you're being pretty quiet, which is a bit strange considering your early hustle with MrZentor. Forumite made a case on him and wants him lynched; can you comment on it? What do you think of MrZentor? Would you vote for him?
I don't think VE is scummy and I don't trust cases based solely on meta. There's plenty of time for him to respond to accusations tomorrow, so we'll see what he says.
MrZentor's early game was both agressive and annoying. His case on prplhz was pretty bad in my opinion and the self vote thing could mean absolutely anything (and, therefore, only causes confusion at this point). Still, the only game I've played with him he was scum, but his play was (at least initially) more calm and poised, so I am unsure what to make of this. I don't know whether I'd vote for him or not, gotta think more on it.
Prplhz, you're being pretty quiet, which is a bit strange considering your early hustle with MrZentor. Forumite made a case on him and wants him lynched; can you comment on it? What do you think of MrZentor? Would you vote for him?
On April 23 2012 12:39 Sbrubbles wrote:
Radfield, you are the one looking the most suspicious to me right now. On the Zentor/prplhz exchange, you defend Zentor, but agree with Forumite on Zentor's case on prplhz being weak:
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And now, you're indirectly accusing prplhz, even though there has been no case on him (besides Zentor's, which you implied was weak) and haven't made one of your own. What's up with that?
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Also, you were the first to offer to vote VE (without an actual explanation as to why), and waited until someone else appeared voting for him in order to actually cast your vote. Is this merely a coincidence or were you waiting for someone else to accuse and vote him in order for yourself not to stand out?
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Radfield, you are the one looking the most suspicious to me right now. On the Zentor/prplhz exchange, you defend Zentor, but agree with Forumite on Zentor's case on prplhz being weak:
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On April 22 2012 11:35 Radfield wrote:
That is some weak sauce Zentor.
Much of this I agree with, though not the last sentence. Zentor does not scream scum to me, at least not yet, and following this course through likely only nets us a dead townie.
As you say yourself, only 1/3 of the players have even posted, so no need to be hasty.
That is some weak sauce Zentor.
Much of this I agree with, though not the last sentence. Zentor does not scream scum to me, at least not yet, and following this course through likely only nets us a dead townie.
As you say yourself, only 1/3 of the players have even posted, so no need to be hasty.
And now, you're indirectly accusing prplhz, even though there has been no case on him (besides Zentor's, which you implied was weak) and haven't made one of your own. What's up with that?
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On April 23 2012 08:43 Radfield wrote:
I was serious when I said I was willing to vote VE, however prplhz needs to show up or he might get the vote as well. More to come.
##vote Visceraeyes
I was serious when I said I was willing to vote VE, however prplhz needs to show up or he might get the vote as well. More to come.
##vote Visceraeyes
Also, you were the first to offer to vote VE (without an actual explanation as to why), and waited until someone else appeared voting for him in order to actually cast your vote. Is this merely a coincidence or were you waiting for someone else to accuse and vote him in order for yourself not to stand out?
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On April 22 2012 22:26 Radfield wrote:
I'm down with a VE vote at this point.
I'm down with a VE vote at this point.
On April 23 2012 08:43 Radfield wrote:
I agree with Toad, enough about the masons. If in fact they exist, they have enough information and opinions to make their own decision.
I was serious when I said I was willing to vote VE, however prplhz needs to show up or he might get the vote as well. More to come.
##vote Visceraeyes
I agree with Toad, enough about the masons. If in fact they exist, they have enough information and opinions to make their own decision.
I was serious when I said I was willing to vote VE, however prplhz needs to show up or he might get the vote as well. More to come.
##vote Visceraeyes
How did you manage to write up that second post in 1 minute? I suppose you could have written it up beforehand, but if so, then why did you make two seperate posts? That makes no sense, so please explain.
Marvellosity seems like an ok lynch, though in the newbie game(Newbie VI) I hosted, marvellosity really only posted one liners during day 1, which is what he's doing here as well. I'd like to compare and contrast the two game before I make any serious judgement.
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The odd part about this is that this is NOT what marv's been doing this game, and it took me going back and rereading it again to realize it. Go read the early part of D1. Marvelosity didn't have the same kinds of one-liners Radfield was describing, the ones from his newbie game. Those were entirely devoid of thought and did nothing to further the game. What marvelosity has been doing this game is attempting to blend in by discussing topics that town are discussing, but without giving a firm stance one way or the other.
Marvelosity was very obviously town by this point in Radfield's game. That same obviousness is not apparent in this game...and the fact that Radfield hasn't commented on this fact, or observed it in any way as far as I can see is extremely suspicious to me.
Now, fast-forward. Radfield is suddenly a cop and has a green-check on Ace. His top suspect? VisceraEyes, the lurky scumhunting prodigy, who just happens to be the only person suspicious of the target of his "green check". He posted a fairly considerable case on me, which I've responded to in full. He hasn't addressed my response a single time, but as waffled between whether he thinks I'm suspicious or not. At first it seemed as though he accepted my response - but then when people started putting my name forward as being suspect, suddenly Radfield agrees that I'm still suspicious.
Marvelosity and Radfield are scum. Regardless of whether I live or die tonight, you guys should take a hard look at Radfield and Marvelosity.
