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On April 25 2012 08:08 Snarfs wrote: I'm curious if you think "staying under the radar" is a town-tell or a scum-tell. The reason I called out marvellous are because I thought this "staying under the radar" was a scum-tell, do you think differently? Keep in mind that while I pointed out what I believed were soft-defences of other players (they may have just been marv contributing in his own way), the main emphasis of my point was that that was all he had done at that point in time. How do you expect scum to act? All in your face like MrZentor? Also, VisceraEyes has disappeared again. This does not sit well with me. The other way around, I hadn´t seen anything weird from Marvel, which made me think he was town with a slow start. I understand how several got suspicious of him precisely because he hadn´t done much, I just didn´t pick up on that at the time of the lynch. | ||
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On April 25 2012 08:16 Snarfs wrote: Okay. What do you think of VE disappearing combined with his contributions so far? I don´t like him not being active, that´s unusual. I expect people to be suspicious of him though. Right now I´m grouping him with Marvel, I´ll hold my judgement for a while and see if they start posting substance. | ||
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On April 25 2012 08:36 Ace wrote: I actually think Zentor is the right lynch today. It wasn't until the end of the day yesterday that he really got run up on anyway. So lets get active today. Maybe he'll stop self-voting at L-1. ##vote Mr.Zentor L-1? I have no idea what MrZentor is doing, but it´s definetly not helping Town. He´s a distraction and he´s not doing anything in the thread except trolling and defending himself. I hope he´s got a foolproof claim ready. | ||
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On April 25 2012 09:30 MrZentor wrote: I hope you guys know I'm getting some really good information. Anyways, masons need to claim before I'm gonna point out the scum. What are you doing? Not only is asking the masons to come out a bad idea because they might plan to reveal themselves on later days, but also because we have no idea if we even have any masons. While you are holding your claim, we waste valuable time. Yesterday we got a no-lynch because we didn´t start talking about scum until late in the day. Do you want to force a no-lynch today too? Because if you wait until 6 hours before the lynch and for some reason we don´t lynch you, then the real lynch will be either rushed or not happening at all. If there is any reason why we shouldn´t lynch you, tell us now, don´t waste our time. | ||
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On April 25 2012 09:49 VisceraEyes wrote: I think he's referencing the Majority Lynch system MafiaScum uses where L-1 is the vote before the "hammer-vote". Of course, thanks. At least we don´t have instant-majority lynch here. | ||
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On April 25 2012 09:52 MrZentor wrote: 1. I'll wait for around another 20 hours max for the masons. 2. The case on prphlz was like 3 hours into the game. Of course it's not going to be the best case ever, but I think considering the time is was pretty good. 3. My scum reads will be wildly more accurate if I have their claim, so naturally I would want the masons to claim first. 4. You shouldn't lynch me, because I'm a vanilla town. I don´t care about 2 and 3, and there is no way I could trust 4. I think waiting until half the day is gone is selfish and reckless of you, and if you do that as a VT it would just make it all much worse. I just can´t understand what you are doing. Perhaps if you were a blue, perhaps if you were a mason, but a VT? The only thing that can save you are your words and logic, and neither have helped you so far. You are the primary candidate for the D2 lynch, you are still wasting our time, and you´ve allready admitted that you have nothing to show for it. You even think the masons should give themselves up to maybe give you slightly better odds of avoiding a lynch. I don´t understand what you are trying to do here, I really don´t. | ||
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On April 25 2012 19:11 Radfield wrote: I don't like this Zentor lynch. I feel like the case on Zentor is that he hasn't been playing like a nice safe contributory townie(which is how scum play). Instead he's been playing like he doesn't give a shit and being disruptive and arrogant. It's like he's trying to look as scummy as possible. Please show me a single player who has flipped scum(besides chezinu) who has played a scum game like this. It doesn't happen. Yet it's not uncommon at all for townies to play a style like this. The lynch just feels wrong to me. I don´t like seeing this defence being used once again. The reasoning is that he can´t be scum because he´s acting so obviously scum. If the opinion of TL Mafia is that a player who acts too scummy is town, then scum SHOULD act like MrZentor in order to avoid attention. He´s disrupting the game, he´s stealing time from other discussions, he´s hurting Town, that´s the scum motivation behind this, and why we need to lynch him. | ||
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On April 26 2012 07:00 Radfield wrote: Bugs confirmed that this was a C9++, but ' balanced for TL standards'. I take that to mean that the roles themselves, and how often they appear have been tweaked slightly. Indeed, we can see that a Miller exists, a Jailkeeper exists, and an Innocent Child does not exist. These are all changes, and all changes that move the C9++ in line with 'TL Standards' imo. I also expect that he altered how often masons appear. However, I think it extremely unlikely that he altered something random like the breakdown of one-shot cops and full cops. That's such minutiae that if he was changing those things, it's really no longer a C9++. Okay, sorry but this spawned a few more questions. -Where did WBG say this was based on C9++? He hasn´t mentioned it in this thread. -I agree that there can´t be an Innocent Child in the game, because it would have been revealed allready, but how can you be sure there is a Miller and a Jailkeeper in the game? | ||
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On April 26 2012 09:24 Radfield wrote: Straight up bizarre. No town player should have been remotely suspecting Zentor to get night-killed. There was no way mafia would ever kill him, he was way too massive of a distraction. If you are a townie, ask yourself this: Did you remotely expect Zentor to get killed night 1? I disagree with your analsis in this case. A scummy player who narrowly avoid a lynch sounds like a prime target for a vigi-shot. We are at the same place we were yesterday before the lynch, a nightkill on MrZentor would have given us back this day. Radfield, what about the MrZentor lynch? | ||
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On April 26 2012 09:51 Radfield wrote: I agree with that. Zentor getting vigged would be likely, but that is NOT what VE is referring to. He is specifically postulating that it's strange Zentor was not killed by mafia, even if he doesn't explicitly say it. I bet VE will even confirm that. Why couldn´t he be talking about MrZentor getting shot by a vigilante? That statement doesn´t make sense unless he was talking about a vigishot. Like you said, there´s no way mafia would kill him, but a vigi might. | ||
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On April 26 2012 10:08 Radfield wrote: He specifically says that a lot of people thought Zentor was town. Why would you expect someone who lots of people think is town to get vigged? You wouldn't, you'd expect them to get shot by mafia. Lots of people think is scum -> Expect Vig hit Lots of people think is town -> Expect Mafia hit Yes? prplhz, I'll respond to you in the morning. I think I see your point. VE commented that there were people calling him town during D1 and N1, and those calling him Town wouldn´t shoot him if they were vigis, and scum would definetly not shoot one of the scummiest players in the game. On April 26 2012 10:02 Radfield wrote: Also Forumite, I don't like the Zentor lynch. I think he is town and THAT is a gut read. I've stated before that I just don't see scum motivation for his posting. Townies pull this kind of stunt all the time, and right now I think he is one. His attitude and demeanor all make me think of unafraid town, not ballsy mafia. I was thinking today about how Ace said to keep it simple. But I think that the simple answer is not: "player is blatantly disruptive, therefore he is scum". Fact is 98% of the time scum just try to blend in with town. So the actual simple answer is "player is blatantly disruptive, he's probably an uncaring townie". That's obvious a simplification, but you get the jist. Anyways if he flipped scum I'd be surprised but not shocked. I think VE is a better target by a long shot. We are looking at the same thing, but interpreting it in opposite ways. He´s being disruptive and is hurting town, I think you agree on that too, but you see a townie not caring about appearances, while I see a scum who got found out, and is now making sure to help town as little as possible. I understand why you think scum wouldn´t try to play like that, but that doesn´t mean his play doesn´t benefit scum. | ||
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MrZentor (9) prplhz MrZentor Forumite Ace Snarfs strongandbig marvellosity phagga Sbrubbles strongandbig (-) phagga (-) VisceraEyes (1) Radfield sbrubbles (1) Bluelightz Not Yet Voted (1) VisceraEyes | ||
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On April 26 2012 21:15 Sbrubbles wrote: ##unvote MrZentor ##vote VisceraEyes I'll go back to MrZentor if it's necessary for a majority. What are you doing? Fine, you are making your point, you are suspicious of VE, but don´t unvote MrZentor because of that. Have you forgot this is a majority-lynch setup? We are only 12 people alive, but we still need 7 votes to lynch. With you taking your vote off MrZentor that leaves the total at 8, dangerously close to what we need. It will only take 2 more people to unvote and we´re back where we were yesterday, with another no-lynch day. You say you´ll revote if it´s needed for the majority but I can´t take your word for that, since you are the least active player in the game. You say you want to lynch MrZentor, but right now you are jeopardizing his lynch. | ||
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On April 26 2012 22:35 MrZentor wrote: I always wait to use my vote, stupid. Right, thanks for reminding me that you voted yourself. I have no illusions that you want to get yourself lynched, so there are actually only 8 votes on you. Sbrubbles put his vote back on you, but we´re still just two unvotes from another no-lynch. | ||
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On April 27 2012 01:30 MrZentor wrote: Don't worry; I won't change my vote. If you want a mislynch, you're going to get one. I just hope town can make a comeback after my death. + Show Spoiler + Considering town has prphlz and forumite, I doubt that that's going to happen. If I had any doubts about you, you silenced them with that post. There is no way you can be Town, not after the way you´ve been playing. Let´s get this lynch over with. Remember, MrZentor needs just a few players to change their votes to avoid the lynch. Radfield, Bluelightz, you disagree with me on MrZentor, but I wish you´d both consider voting for him anyway. We need your votes in order to make sure nothing happen to prevent the lynch at the last minute. Would you please vote MrZentor, because Town wants this, even though you two do not? | ||
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On April 27 2012 06:56 MrZentor wrote: Forumrite and Prphlz, hopefully in the next game I play with you, you won't be so blinded by emotions. Go quietly, scum. | ||
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