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On April 24 2012 07:04 SamuelLJackson wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 06:58 marvellosity wrote:
Toad, your point is just terrible. The fact that I wasn't mentioned earlier in the game is extremely circumstancial. There were many non-posters and lurkers at the start of the game
The thing that ISN'T circumstancial is the fact that the lynch on me gently drifted into being without anyone trying to prevent it.
You should be able to discern the difference between the two. Engage logic please.
Although Snarfs only has one vote less than me, I'm going to unvote him and vote for the no-lynch. It has good grounding and with no-one being certain of anything it seems a decent option at this point.
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##Vote: No Lynch Ok I said I'm going to bed but I can't stand this... Think about C9++. How much people did that game have trying to prevent a Jackal lynch on d1? 0. What did Jackal flip? MafiaPeople trying to prevent or not trying to prevent a lynch is not an alignment tell at all and actually there's a SHITLOAD of people trying to prevent your lynch right now ALTHOUGH they said they'd be up for a marv lynch. What kind of mofo action is that supposed to be. And it's not the point that you weren't mentioned earlier in the game but the fact that you did not get a single mention until 2 hours before the lynch or something like that. That's not "earlier in the game", that basicly the whole day1. --- Toad
Considerably more people trying to prevent my lynch than there are scum, in fact...
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On April 24 2012 07:04 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 06:58 marvellosity wrote:
Toad, your point is just terrible. The fact that I wasn't mentioned earlier in the game is extremely circumstancial. There were many non-posters and lurkers at the start of the game
The thing that ISN'T circumstancial is the fact that the lynch on me gently drifted into being without anyone trying to prevent it.
You should be able to discern the difference between the two. Engage logic please.
Although Snarfs only has one vote less than me, I'm going to unvote him and vote for the no-lynch. It has good grounding and with no-one being certain of anything it seems a decent option at this point.
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##Vote: No Lynch Just because someone doesn't oppose your wagon on Day 1 doesn't make you innocent. I showed up late and asked Snarfs where are the posts of you soft defending people. Other than that I don't see what you really did wrong.
I know it doesn't, but it's not a totally unreasonable heuristic either.
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On April 24 2012 07:10 Snarfs wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 07:05 marvellosity wrote:On April 24 2012 07:04 SamuelLJackson wrote:On April 24 2012 06:58 marvellosity wrote:
Toad, your point is just terrible. The fact that I wasn't mentioned earlier in the game is extremely circumstancial. There were many non-posters and lurkers at the start of the game
The thing that ISN'T circumstancial is the fact that the lynch on me gently drifted into being without anyone trying to prevent it.
You should be able to discern the difference between the two. Engage logic please.
Although Snarfs only has one vote less than me, I'm going to unvote him and vote for the no-lynch. It has good grounding and with no-one being certain of anything it seems a decent option at this point.
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##Vote: No Lynch Ok I said I'm going to bed but I can't stand this... Think about C9++. How much people did that game have trying to prevent a Jackal lynch on d1? 0. What did Jackal flip? MafiaPeople trying to prevent or not trying to prevent a lynch is not an alignment tell at all and actually there's a SHITLOAD of people trying to prevent your lynch right now ALTHOUGH they said they'd be up for a marv lynch. What kind of mofo action is that supposed to be. And it's not the point that you weren't mentioned earlier in the game but the fact that you did not get a single mention until 2 hours before the lynch or something like that. That's not "earlier in the game", that basicly the whole day1. --- Toad Considerably more people trying to prevent my lynch than there are scum, in fact... What's your defense here, that town is preventing your mislynch or that scum is NOT preventing your mislynch? Please pick one...
It wasn't a defence, it was an observation. Is that not allowed now?
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On April 24 2012 07:21 Snarfs wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 06:03 marvellosity wrote:
I would like to note that there has been no opposition to the growing bandwagon of my lynch when clearly scum has had the options to direct the vote almost anywhere with a maximum of 2 votes on any one person. Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 06:30 marvellosity wrote:
Sigh. I dislike the fact that I'm scummy because I've not been able to form a decent read although I have been extremely transparent about it. I dislike the fact no-one answered my questions on VE/Radfield cases. I dislike the fact that there's been no opposition to my lynch.
Objectively the way this lynch is going down is making it pretty clear this is going to be a mislynch. Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 06:58 marvellosity wrote:
The thing that ISN'T circumstancial is the fact that the lynch on me gently drifted into being without anyone trying to prevent it.
You should be able to discern the difference between the two. Engage logic please. Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 07:05 marvellosity wrote:
Considerably more people trying to prevent my lynch than there are scum, in fact...
Just an observation.
So you managed to observe the fact that my lynch gained a lot of support without original opposition and then people came to their senses eventually? I dare say there's scum marv with about 5 henchmen.
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On April 24 2012 07:29 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 07:03 Snarfs wrote:On April 24 2012 06:47 Ace wrote:
@Snarfs: Where are the posts that show marvelosity soft defending players? I admit I could have read further into it than it really was, but it definitely stood out as the only thing in his filter at the time I posted: Defending: Forumite (that's who Zentor was calling thick), VE, Mr Zentor thrice, and Ace. I prefer to let people answer questions about their play themselves which is why I called him out on it. I actually don't see those as defending any of us. More like an alternative explanation to the results someone is else is suggesting. His comment on me talking game mechanics is in line with the same thing I said. Likewise, he is right that Zentor calling someone thick when he voted for himself to start the game is...  If he is defending Forumite from Zentor, and then defends Zentor 3 times all on Day 1 then I think at best he is just one of those people that always responds to every post in an effort to be as transparent as possible. Or yea, maybe he is just Scum trying to fake a contribution. Defending Zentor 3 times who isn't a good player at all is lol worthy.
Maybe it was my mistake for continually responding, but I only had one point to make on Zentor. People kept prodding me and I kept responding is all.
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On April 24 2012 08:39 MrZentor wrote:
Prphlz, no vigilante would be careless enough to kill me.
Why would the SK listen to you?
You're being stupid.
Any particular reason you're being so obnoxious? Just curious like.
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So, no then.
I'm fairly up for a Zentor lynch at this point. He's actively playing anti-town.
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On April 24 2012 20:14 Bluelightz wrote:Right now, I REALLY want to believe marv is scum, but I believe he is town, look at this: Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 05:32 marvellosity wrote:
Because I'm new and bad, obviously Would mafia be posting THAT unsafe? I feel like that marv didn't fear ANYTHING, so therefore he is town, Mafia wouldn't go like that (straightly pulling the newbie card) after being accused.
That's terrible reasoning for me being town, but ok. I'm town because I'm transparent and don't do anti-town things (see zentor), but if you wanna clear me for that, be my guest
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On April 25 2012 06:08 Forumite wrote:
What was up with Marvel? Was it more than him avoiding attention? Cursory glance through his filter told me that he´s not very aggressive, but that could be because most of his posts have been used to defend himself from the lynch.
Well, I could be more aggressive if you like. You big ninny. Any questions for me while we're here?
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On April 25 2012 06:12 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 06:09 marvellosity wrote:On April 25 2012 06:08 Forumite wrote:
What was up with Marvel? Was it more than him avoiding attention? Cursory glance through his filter told me that he´s not very aggressive, but that could be because most of his posts have been used to defend himself from the lynch. Well, I could be more aggressive if you like. You big ninny. Any questions for me while we're here?  What do you think about snarfs? You and him are the only players I haven´t seen playing before.
Having had a look through his filter, he seems to be posting quite normally. Perhaps s&b's case on him was a little forced on him after all. I found his going after me for my 'soft-defences' to be really quite odd.
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I really don't get why Radfield has a town read on Zentor.
Zentor is being actively unhelpful. In fact that's all he's doing. Where is this town read coming from?
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I'm going to say it again. I don't understand Radfield's strong town-read on Zentor at all, when he's only been unconstructive.
Is this not odd?
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Zentor is just bullshitting up this thread and it's ridiculous. Frankly enough is enough
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I keep just wanting to sheep Ace. I agree, saying "he is too scummy" is a terrible defence for Zentor's scummy behaviour. IF someone's disruptive, anti-town, and with his '20 hours' post actively trying to stifle discussion, the solution is scum.
Like, how could he play any more scummy before Radfield believed him to be scum? Or should everyone just act like total douchebags to confirm themselves town? Yukkyyuk
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On April 25 2012 22:15 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 22:13 Bluelightz wrote:On April 25 2012 22:03 Ace wrote:On April 25 2012 21:59 Bluelightz wrote:On April 25 2012 21:27 Ace wrote:
bluelightz: There is a problem with saying the Zentor lynch is moving too easily - yesterday it barely moved at all. If you're going to assume Zentor is innocent based on the wagon moving too fast, then what about yesterday when it stalled?
The case on Zentor is solid enough that it isn't unreasonable to expect his lynch to actually MOVE today. The problem is that from past experiences with Zentor I feel that he is town, and we will mislych today because he doesnt bother to defend himself, AGAIN. Comparing to: SoAF Mafia, where he was all trololol day 2 till his claim and reads. A player that doesn't bother to defend himself should be given a pass? IMO would scum do this? Not defend and trololol? If it makes you look townie, yes.
This, yes. As scum, this could clearly be an effective defence - see Bluelightz/Radfield opinions for examples.
As town? Why would you actively troll? Why would you not TRY to be constructive? Or worse still, why try to be DEstructive? Trololol let's waste 20 hours, what the fuck? Why is antagonising the rest of the town in any way useful to anything?
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On April 25 2012 22:35 Ace wrote:
A normal Townie = a person trying to actually survive a lynch.
Why does How player A defends himself even matter here? It could be the worst defense of all time, but the fact that he even tried in stark contrast to a player who doesn't goes a long way.
Really, your defense is "I've seen him do this one time before, and I don't believe Scum would do Scummy things so blatantly."
Where as some of us have deemed his behavior Scummy, so then yes more than likely he is Scum.
Screw it, let's lynch people for being too town. There is no way an actual Townie would have the balls to do that.
Right. The defence of Zentor here is just pure wifom. Would scum act so scummy? It's too scummy to be scum, so therefore he must be town. But what if he knows that he's behaving too scummy to be scum and therefore he looks townie. Then all of a sudden he could be scum again because he grasps this. Ad infinitum. This is practically a paragon of WIFOM, pure and simple.
If we leave the WIFOM that we can't possibly resolve (we can always go an iteration further...) then what are we left with? His scummy behaviour, his anti-town posting. This is the evidence we can rely on, and it's why he's probably scum.
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On April 25 2012 23:00 Sbrubbles wrote:
3) Marvelosity:
Your play this game has been essencially inactivity and sheeping. During the D1 last-minute scramble, you were apathetic, were giving up on the game and pulled the newbie card. In fact, you did these things at 4 votes, which meant you weren't exactly in mortal danger (but close anyway). Now D2 you're being slightly more active, but the bandwagon on Zentor is already rolling, so you're not actually adding a lot to the discussion. It's hard to make a case on someone who doesn't have content precisely because you can't break down their arguments, but you not having content is exactly my point. You've been lurking and I think you're scum.
Also, I tried looking at your games and couldn't find any D1 lynches, but maybe I just missed it. Can you link to one?
So because I have a strong opinion on Zentor I'm only sheeping because someone else had it first? Na. This stupid WIFOM defence of Zentor is the first thing I've felt strongly about, so it's the first thing I'm posting strongly about.
Also, I've never been lynched (day 1 or otherwise). Look at my other ongoing game for my general posting behaviour Day 1 and beyond.
In Newbie VI (as town) I made a one-liner vote on therapist toward the end of the day, and followed this up the next day by lynching a claimed cop (Kohbee). Nonetheless I found the 2nd scum eventually and got him lynched on the final day.
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On April 26 2012 01:23 Snarfs wrote:
@marvellosity: Can you answer Bluelightz's question? Who would you lynch besides MrZentor today, and importantly, why?
I wouldn't lynch anyone besides the guy who is playing a lot more scummy than anyone else.
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On April 26 2012 01:41 Snarfs wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 01:37 marvellosity wrote:On April 26 2012 01:23 Snarfs wrote:
@marvellosity: Can you answer Bluelightz's question? Who would you lynch besides MrZentor today, and importantly, why? I wouldn't lynch anyone besides the guy who is playing a lot more scummy than anyone else. Sigh, you're doing an amazing job at sheeping Ace.
I'm going to take that as a compliment. It's not my fault Ace is thinking most logically.
1) there is someone behaving scummily
2) we lynch the person behaving scummily
What's to disagree with?
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On April 26 2012 01:48 strongandbig wrote:
The thing to disagree with is that by refusing to even discuss other scum reads, you're letting zentor kill off a full day of potentially useful discussion. Don't do that.
Alright. Ask me a specific question and I will do my best to answer it.
I just see no point in answering the "besides the scummy guy, who would you lynch?", because... we lynch the scummy guy.
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