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On April 23 2012 21:10 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 21:08 Forumite wrote:On April 23 2012 20:05 marvellosity wrote:
I don't think Zentor is scum atm. Instead of looking at his scum game, look at Space Station where he was town. He managed to be at the top of numerous people's suspicious list although he was town (and performing very townie actions in PM-land). Zentor can´t be scum, because he´s a good Town player? What if he´s a bad scumplayer too? He hasn´t done that many suspicious things lately, fine, I don´t have much else to complain about, but I can´t agree with those who defend him by essentially saying " only a bad player would make a stupid mistake like that". Whatever, noone cares about Zentor. No, you misunderstand me a little I think. I was saying in Space Station he played suspiciously/scummy on thread and he was town there. Similar could appply here.
You are right, my post wasn´t actually directed only towards you, but more to earlier defence of him. I disagree with what you are saying here though. If he is often accused of being scum because of his scummy way of playing, then him playing suspiciously here doesn´t make him Town, it just makes it harder to know if he´s Scum. It means we should look more carefully at him, not dismiss accusations because he gets accused of being scum so often.
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SamuelLJackson, please sign your posts. I know it´s irritating, but you have to do it.
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I won´t be able to post until about an hour before the deadline. I´m against a prplhz lynch. My vote stays on MrZentor for now, even though I know there´s little hope of getting that scum lynched today.
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Back, still some reading to catch up on.
Not sure about the exact votecount, but if we don´t have a candidate now, 30 minutes before the deadline, then I´d feel fine with not lynching at all. Late voteswitches never end well.
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On April 24 2012 06:33 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 06:32 Forumite wrote:
Back, still some reading to catch up on.
Not sure about the exact votecount, but if we don´t have a candidate now, 30 minutes before the deadline, then I´d feel fine with not lynching at all. Late voteswitches never end well. "Never" is a strong word - sandro and I pwnz0rd scum with late-switches in C9++.
In my experience they never end well. I´ve seen a voteswitch during the last 10 minutes and, surprise, town. If we can´t decide calmly on the best target, then rushing the decision right before deadline won´t make it more likely to find scum.
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At least a lot of players are here.
I still want MrZentor to die, especially after his listpost, I don´t want him to go out and provide us with a lurker to lynch. Barring that, do we no-lynch, or lynch snarfs or marvel?
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Fuck it, there´s really no time to do anything other than no-lynch.
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On April 24 2012 06:50 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 06:46 Forumite wrote:
At least a lot of players are here.
I still want MrZentor to die, especially after his listpost, I don´t want him to go out and provide us with a lurker to lynch. Barring that, do we no-lynch, or lynch snarfs or marvel? Forumite WHY would scum enter the game voting for themselves? I get that you don't like my reasoning for thinking they wouldn't, but why WOULD scum do that? I can't make sense of it from a scum perspective. To be honest, I didn't like his "to-do list" post either, considering the late hour it comes off as scum trying to appear active...but I still can't make sense of that first action at all, help me out bro. Out of the options present, I prefer no-lynch... ##Unvote: Sbrubbles
##Vote: No Lynch
Why shouldn´t he vote himself as scum? It seems to give the right result. Several people have mentioned that it´s a crazy thing to do as scum, but if it makes him look town, then it IS a good thing to do as scum.
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Do you two want to discuss anything before the deadline? I´ve been spacing out since the lynch, got to get back into the game.
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On April 25 2012 05:35 SamuelLJackson wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 05:31 Forumite wrote:
Do you two want to discuss anything before the deadline? I´ve been spacing out since the lynch, got to get back into the game. what do you think happened yesterday --- Toad
For me what went wrong was getting back too late, and not fully examining the different cases being discussed at the time. I stayed on MrZentor, and I don´t regret that, but I should have pushed it more.
I´d like to think that MrZentor survived the lynch because his scumbuddies made sure there was a no-lynch, but with 7 votes required to vote, I don´t think scum needed to do much to help us with that. What went wrong was us not deciding for ourselves who to lynch. It´s much harder to get a lynch going if you need a majority.
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What was up with Marvel? Was it more than him avoiding attention? Cursory glance through his filter told me that he´s not very aggressive, but that could be because most of his posts have been used to defend himself from the lynch.
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On April 25 2012 06:09 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 06:08 Forumite wrote:
What was up with Marvel? Was it more than him avoiding attention? Cursory glance through his filter told me that he´s not very aggressive, but that could be because most of his posts have been used to defend himself from the lynch. Well, I could be more aggressive if you like. You big ninny. Any questions for me while we're here?
What do you think about snarfs? You and him are the only players I haven´t seen playing before.
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On April 25 2012 06:11 SamuelLJackson wrote:
I think Zentor has a fairly decent point here
Not to begin with the fact that I was referring to the fact that we had 4 people voting marv and at least 3 more people saying they will vote marv and suddenly out of nowhere everyone screams no-lynch is the way to go. Sadly there's probably not enough mafia in this game to call everyone mafia who were defending their buddy which leaves me with the problem that either a couple of guys are manipulative and the rest is town or I am wrong about marv.
However, even if I am wrong that situation was highly strange. Why did everyone back off like that?
Anyways. Your turn of asking a question or turning the discussion somewhere else if you like.
--- Toad
To clarify, you think what happened was that Marvel is scum, he got too close to getting lynched, and everyone changed their mind and went for a no-lynch?
I don´t know, it was very close to the lynch and we didn´t have a clear candidate, going for a no-lynch felt right at the time.
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MrZentor, why do you think prplhz is scum? The things he does that you think are suspicious are not suspicous to me, at least not coming from him.
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On April 25 2012 06:25 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 06:12 Forumite wrote:On April 25 2012 06:09 marvellosity wrote:On April 25 2012 06:08 Forumite wrote:
What was up with Marvel? Was it more than him avoiding attention? Cursory glance through his filter told me that he´s not very aggressive, but that could be because most of his posts have been used to defend himself from the lynch. Well, I could be more aggressive if you like. You big ninny. Any questions for me while we're here? What do you think about snarfs? You and him are the only players I haven´t seen playing before. Having had a look through his filter, he seems to be posting quite normally. Perhaps s&b's case on him was a little forced on him after all. I found his going after me for my 'soft-defences' to be really quite odd.
Snarf went after you for soft-defending? Meh, you are not the only one called out for soft-defending.
On April 25 2012 06:23 SamuelLJackson wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 06:16 Forumite wrote:On April 25 2012 06:11 SamuelLJackson wrote:
I think Zentor has a fairly decent point here
Not to begin with the fact that I was referring to the fact that we had 4 people voting marv and at least 3 more people saying they will vote marv and suddenly out of nowhere everyone screams no-lynch is the way to go. Sadly there's probably not enough mafia in this game to call everyone mafia who were defending their buddy which leaves me with the problem that either a couple of guys are manipulative and the rest is town or I am wrong about marv.
However, even if I am wrong that situation was highly strange. Why did everyone back off like that?
Anyways. Your turn of asking a question or turning the discussion somewhere else if you like.
--- Toad To clarify, you think what happened was that Marvel is scum, he got too close to getting lynched, and everyone changed their mind and went for a no-lynch? I don´t know, it was very close to the lynch and we didn´t have a clear candidate, going for a no-lynch felt right at the time. I don't know if marv is scum but I think some of the guys changing their mind last second seem pretty suspicious to me. I just don't know which of those. Radfield sounds like the best bet for tomorrow to me. He's basicly involved as mafia in every scenario I can think of. But that's all under the assumption that we don't have 3 to 4 vets, all being town and all chickening out last second for their own reasons.
Was the case on Marvel that strong? What I saw at the time felt like it was more about him staying under the radar than him actually doing anything weird, on the other hand my readthrough was kind of rushed with just an hour before the lynch.
There were a few players up for a lynch. If there were scum voting for a no-lynch, then it could have been to defend anyone of the frontrunners.
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On April 25 2012 06:27 Radfield wrote:
Oh yeah, I meant to mention this earlier, but I don't think vigilantes should shoot tonight. Knowing whether or not there is a serial killer is going to be really important knowledge. Consider that if we get two kills tonight, the vigilante is not confirmed even if he hits scum.
If we only have 1 kill tonight though, then if the vigilante hits on night 2 he can confirm himself when he claims the extra KP. I can't remember if people are informed about protected hits though(or even if that matters), and I gotta run.
Makes sense.
People are informed if they are roleblocked, which they are by both jailors and roleblockers, but neither the jailed nor the jailor is informed if a kill take place.
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On April 25 2012 06:34 MrZentor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 06:20 Forumite wrote:MrZentor, why do you think prplhz is scum? The things he does that you think are suspicious are not suspicous to me, at least not coming from him. I don't think prphlz is scum anymore. I posted this. Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 06:11 MrZentor wrote:
Hey guys! Here are my thoughts.
Forumrite and Prphlz are being stupid for attacking me even though it's obvious that I'm innocent. I have a feeling scum would switch over to an easier lynch such as Marv or Sbrubbles.
Everybody who keeps repeating how innocent I am is annoying for being ridiculously ridiculously redundant. I feel at this point talking about how innocent I am is like talking about what the masons should do.
We need to do four things.
1. Decide if we have a lynch or not- I feel we should because of what somebody said about it not helping us all if we don't lynch somebody, because we'll end up losing on the same day anyways.
2. Decide if we want to lynch a lurker or an active person- I would like to lynch a lurker, because currently there isn't any solid case on any active person, and I would prefer to lose a lurker over an active person.
3. Lower the number of possible lynch victims- I believe right now 6 different people are being voted for. That means scum have complete control of the lynch; we need to have 1-2 suspects, or we're not going to get a good lynch.
4. We need to decide who to lynch.
I'll be back soon with a suitable lurker to lynch.
I posted that I posted it. Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 11:13 MrZentor wrote:I already posted it. On April 24 2012 06:11 MrZentor wrote:
Hey guys! Here are my thoughts.
Forumrite and Prphlz are being stupid for attacking me even though it's obvious that I'm innocent. I have a feeling scum would switch over to an easier lynch such as Marv or Sbrubbles.
Everybody who keeps repeating how innocent I am is annoying for being ridiculously ridiculously redundant. I feel at this point talking about how innocent I am is like talking about what the masons should do.
We need to do four things.
1. Decide if we have a lynch or not- I feel we should because of what somebody said about it not helping us all if we don't lynch somebody, because we'll end up losing on the same day anyways.
2. Decide if we want to lynch a lurker or an active person- I would like to lynch a lurker, because currently there isn't any solid case on any active person, and I would prefer to lose a lurker over an active person.
3. Lower the number of possible lynch victims- I believe right now 6 different people are being voted for. That means scum have complete control of the lynch; we need to have 1-2 suspects, or we're not going to get a good lynch.
4. We need to decide who to lynch.
I'll be back soon with a suitable lurker to lynch. Now you're making me post that I posted that I posted it and posted it. Anymore questions?
I don´t follow your reasoning, you are saying that prplhz and I must be town because we are going after you, an obvious town who won´t ever get lynched? That sounds like you defending us, while defending yourself at the same time. "Let´s be friends, we´re all town here"
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On April 25 2012 06:49 SamuelLJackson wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 06:39 Forumite wrote:On April 25 2012 06:25 marvellosity wrote:On April 25 2012 06:12 Forumite wrote:On April 25 2012 06:09 marvellosity wrote:On April 25 2012 06:08 Forumite wrote:
What was up with Marvel? Was it more than him avoiding attention? Cursory glance through his filter told me that he´s not very aggressive, but that could be because most of his posts have been used to defend himself from the lynch. Well, I could be more aggressive if you like. You big ninny. Any questions for me while we're here? What do you think about snarfs? You and him are the only players I haven´t seen playing before. Having had a look through his filter, he seems to be posting quite normally. Perhaps s&b's case on him was a little forced on him after all. I found his going after me for my 'soft-defences' to be really quite odd. Snarf went after you for soft-defending? Meh, you are not the only one called out for soft-defending. On April 25 2012 06:23 SamuelLJackson wrote:On April 25 2012 06:16 Forumite wrote:On April 25 2012 06:11 SamuelLJackson wrote:
I think Zentor has a fairly decent point here
Not to begin with the fact that I was referring to the fact that we had 4 people voting marv and at least 3 more people saying they will vote marv and suddenly out of nowhere everyone screams no-lynch is the way to go. Sadly there's probably not enough mafia in this game to call everyone mafia who were defending their buddy which leaves me with the problem that either a couple of guys are manipulative and the rest is town or I am wrong about marv.
However, even if I am wrong that situation was highly strange. Why did everyone back off like that?
Anyways. Your turn of asking a question or turning the discussion somewhere else if you like.
--- Toad To clarify, you think what happened was that Marvel is scum, he got too close to getting lynched, and everyone changed their mind and went for a no-lynch? I don´t know, it was very close to the lynch and we didn´t have a clear candidate, going for a no-lynch felt right at the time. I don't know if marv is scum but I think some of the guys changing their mind last second seem pretty suspicious to me. I just don't know which of those. Radfield sounds like the best bet for tomorrow to me. He's basicly involved as mafia in every scenario I can think of. But that's all under the assumption that we don't have 3 to 4 vets, all being town and all chickening out last second for their own reasons. Was the case on Marvel that strong? What I saw at the time felt like it was more about him staying under the radar than him actually doing anything weird, on the other hand my readthrough was kind of rushed with just an hour before the lynch. There were a few players up for a lynch. If there were scum voting for a no-lynch, then it could have been to defend anyone of the frontrunners. no the case wasn't strong, it was a Plan-B lynch. A "lynch the lurker" and I thought the other lurkers that were an option (zentor and sbrubbles) were more likely to be town than marv because they have stuff in their filter that makes them look townish. Marv on the other hand had not imo and kind of in Sandros opinion. Don't know what he thought about marv because he wasn't around at that time and still isn't but he thought the other 2 guys are town as well. I think marv's a little weird but I wasn't sure about him being mafia, neither am I right now, still thought it's a decent shot for a lurker. Also he was the only lurker that never got some action. People attacked Zentor for being weird, people (VE) attacked Sbrubbles (god I have to c&p that name every time...) for being a lurker but noone attacked Marv. Why wasn't mafia using that opportunity at all, unless you think I am mafia. That being said: fact that everyone was backing off like crazy paranoid people is weird above anything, no matter of marvs alignment. And no, there were not a couple of guys taking votes. Marv had 4 votes and 3 people saying they're willing to vote him. the next guy had 3 votes and everyone else said they're not going to vote him followed by a bunch of 2 or 1 voters who noone was willing to support either. Marv was the only one who was at danger yesterday. --- Toad
Phrased like that, the lynch makes much more sense. My primary objection to a Marvel lynch was acutally that he didn´t have any scumtells, instead that he didn´t show much at all at the time.
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On April 25 2012 07:08 MrZentor wrote:People like you doubt my innocence, so obviously the mafia aren't going to kill me when there are vets who seem innocent. So in a way, I guess you're saving my life.
Great plan. We saved you but lost the hydra.
##Vote MrZentor
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