On April 26 2012 05:37 MidnightGladius wrote:
I'm putting my vote on zeph. He has said nothing recently to make me change my mind about his earlier posting, and johnny's recent posting has made me less suspicious of him. He has stopped sheeping actively, and raises good points. I do want to tell johnny that building on gonzaw's cases is reasonable, but though we know that he was innocent, we have no idea as to whether or not he was actually right.

Sentinel is pretty much impossible for me to read, and his latest WIFOM is incredibly frustrating. My intuition on him is apathetic town, but he could easily be scum, and I just can't tell. I don't feel like he's taking things at all seriously, and his unwillingness to push cases beyond Ottoxlol doesn't help.

And we still have so many lurkers, and no vig claims to deal with them... BKEXE, any conclusions yet? St.Daniel, now that you're replaced out of SNMMX, any thoughts? We really can't do this without you guys.

##Vote: Zephirdd

why did you wait until now to think i'm not scum? I've been making the same cases for a while. I'll take this as "i'm gonna push a noob and see if i can get him lynched" into "I can't get him lynched, better back off".

I think MG is scum as well as sentinel and zeph, but there's not enough time to get MG lynched. BUT everyone starting to vote zeph now is very concerning for me. I still think he's scum I just wonder why you didn't vote for him sooner. Scum may be trying to get on board to gain towncred. St.Daniel voting without saying anything is also suspicious.

The fact that Ottox and Zeph's votes are so close is concerning to me because scum could easily swing the vote at the last minute to the non-scum (if one of them is in fact town). If anyone tries to change vote last minute, I encourage town to vig them tonight, or lynch them tomorrow, even if they switch their vote onto someone who flips scum.

laya, I appreciate your effort on getting MG lynched but I really doubt it's happening. I also would like to know why you said get votes off zeph.

johnnywup

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April 25 2012 22:56 GMT

#1409

On April 26 2012 07:48 layabout wrote:
Johnny i didn't think zeph was scummy yesterday and i said so. I still don't think he is now. And my number 1 scumread voted for him.

MG has been truly apathetic towards today's lynch, he has put in very little effort and offered very little of his own thoughts. He was willing to write a case against Johnny, he gave up on it, and now he has hopped onto the zeph wagon because of reasons that he has apparently had for days that he is not willing to share with us.

The lynch is in an hour right? I think MG would be a good lynch but I don't think we have enough time. Isn't there the possibility of bussing? I think it's more than a possibility at this point. So don't let MG voting zeph make you think zeph is town. You have other reasons for thinking zeph is town, I guess. I think it's MG+Sentinel+Zeph+One other on a scum team atm. I like you pushing a read but it's too late right now.

On April 26 2012 07:53 Risen wrote:
I've read through zephir's filter and he honestly doesn't appear all that scummy to me until his very recent posting, but that could be his desperation coming through. I feel like I should sit with my vote on ottox. He's my read and sentinel has redeemed himself in my eyes today. I really haven't seen anything good from BKExe, BM, or STDaniels that I was hoping for, though.

I can see where you're coming from on MG layabout but how much time do we have left before lynch? I still think ottox is scum. You may think he's just a noob but that's not really a defense.

this is just false, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329128&currentpage=36#705
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329128&currentpage=38#741

so, MG+Sentinel+Zeph+Risen?

johnnywup

United States3858 Posts

April 25 2012 23:02 GMT

#1418

what a scumy response too

johnnywup

United States3858 Posts

April 25 2012 23:07 GMT

#1429

I'm thinking of doing a last second push onto you risen. I don't think theres enough time/people available to do it however. Come tomorrow I hope I see your name on the day post, shot from a vig. If not, I want you lynched. I'm confident you're scum now.

johnnywup

United States3858 Posts

April 25 2012 23:12 GMT

#1438

On April 26 2012 08:11 Risen wrote:

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Then you should probably have said you'd vote for him not just say you'd kill him...

stop nitpicking. that phrasing doesn't and shouldn't make a difference.

johnnywup

United States3858 Posts

April 25 2012 23:14 GMT

#1442

obviously youre not the only one who reacted risen but after he said what he meant you should understand what he meant rather than making it a bigger deal than it is

johnnywup

United States3858 Posts

April 25 2012 23:23 GMT

#1446

On April 23 2012 07:51 Risen wrote:

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That last post combined with, oh I was totally thinking VE was town but layabout you changed my world view bro post is horrible.. There's no way we can get the votes on him today, I'm sorry johnny. I didn't believe you before, and I thought you were scummy. My bad, I dropped the ball. Push this guy tomorrow, push him hard. I'm being too belligerent right now and I need to cool off.

I dunno, doesn't seem like you thought he's scum because he's lurking.

johnnywup

United States3858 Posts

April 25 2012 23:34 GMT

#1451

I'd like to restate: Anyone who last minute vote-switches should be primary vig targets and future lynch targets. The votes are spread somewhat thin, and it will be easy for scum to have a mislynch with a last minute voteswitch.

johnnywup

United States3858 Posts

April 25 2012 23:43 GMT

#1454

at least laya is honest about killing ottox if he didn't switch votes lol.

@_@

johnnywup

United States3858 Posts

April 25 2012 23:48 GMT

#1457

I'm not saying I like it, mementoss

I guess lynch is in 10 minutes.

johnnywup

United States3858 Posts

April 25 2012 23:54 GMT

#1463

i think ottox is just bad, zeph is scum :|

johnnywup

United States3858 Posts

April 25 2012 23:55 GMT

#1464

Oh boy, what happens in the case of a tie?

johnnywup

United States3858 Posts

April 25 2012 23:56 GMT

#1467

oh nvm, found it "5. In the event of a tie the person with the most votes first wins (or loses)."
I don't know what it means by wins (or loses) means though.

johnnywup

United States3858 Posts

April 25 2012 23:59 GMT

#1473

wtf is this?

johnnywup

United States3858 Posts

April 26 2012 00:01 GMT

#1480

the day post is already posted, no way it can be changed now.

also, shit.

johnnywup

United States3858 Posts

April 26 2012 00:04 GMT

#1486

pretty cheeky by risen, "abusing" the rule that the person that gets the most votes first will die. makes it seem that he's just indecisive, but he changes back to ottox, knowing that rule. zeph got the most votes first now, rather than ottox.

johnnywup

United States3858 Posts

April 26 2012 00:08 GMT

#1489

i just explained why he changed. in case of a tie, person who got more first dies. he switched then switched back in order to kill zeph even though it seemed like he wanted to still lynch ottox because he switched back. he knew that switching back and forth would cause the person he switched to to die, even after he switched back.

johnnywup

United States3858 Posts

April 26 2012 00:13 GMT

#1493

that was a coverup, bkexe. it wasnt about bm voting him.