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On April 26 2012 08:14 johnnywup wrote:
obviously youre not the only one who reacted risen but after he said what he meant you should understand what he meant rather than making it a bigger deal than it is
Fair enough.
On April 26 2012 08:13 PaqMan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 08:10 Risen wrote:On April 26 2012 08:07 johnnywup wrote:
I'm thinking of doing a last second push onto you risen. I don't think theres enough time/people available to do it however. Come tomorrow I hope I see your name on the day post, shot from a vig. If not, I want you lynched. I'm confident you're scum now. And you are confident why? I look forward to your case. Paq is probably pissing himself he's so happy he has a convert. lol yeah i did. You still fail to actually explain yourself. You were telling Town on D1 to push Zeph hard. D2's about to be over, zeph's at high risk at being lynched and then you're saying that you didn't see anything scummy in his filter until just recently. wassup with dat?
Why don't you go look at the timings of when I said that. I wanted zephyr dead in the night b/c he was lurking D1 and did a last second vote. He didn't die. D2 he presented himself and he's been here, no longer a death target in my book because he's not lurking anymore. He's been pushed hard and I haven't found anything he did to be scummy until very recently and in my mind that's more desperation than anything else. There is no contradiction.
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On April 26 2012 08:23 johnnywup wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 07:51 Risen wrote:On April 23 2012 00:17 Zephirdd wrote:
God damnit layabout. I was about to post how VE's claim made sense and how he was town, but then you convince me the opposite. Geez.
And this martyring post from VE only makes sense from two PoVs:
- He really is a JK and he will let town use his flip information to deal with what happened during the day
- He is scum trying to sound like that.
Also, right now, I see no reason to lynch Bill Murray - he should be vigged, not lynched if he doesn't contribute soon.
VE, what is your stance on gonzaw, especially after his series of (Seemingly) drunk posts?
Also, please make the case against the certain scum you are talking about. Should you flip JK, we got something solid to work from. In fact, I'll take you are claiming scum if you don't do that. That last post combined with, oh I was totally thinking VE was town but layabout you changed my world view bro post is horrible.. There's no way we can get the votes on him today, I'm sorry johnny. I didn't believe you before, and I thought you were scummy. My bad, I dropped the ball. Push this guy tomorrow, push him hard. I'm being too belligerent right now and I need to cool off. I dunno, doesn't seem like you thought he's scum because he's lurking.
Maybe b/c there were a million lurkers D1 so to be even more hated in my mind you'd have to do something stupid like a last minute vote? He was leaning red start D2, he became greener to me with his posting, he started to appear more scummy but in my mind that's desperation about being a candidate for lynching. I think zephir is stupid, but I think he's stupid town. I'm not switching my vote to him.
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On April 26 2012 08:47 PaqMan wrote:
I better be wrong about OttoxI. It's pretty clear that Ottox is just bad town.
If you compare him with Zeph, zeph is a hellota scummier than Ottox.
How do you come to the conclusion that ottox is just bad town and zephyr is scum?
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Can anyone figure out the vote count? I'm panicking having my vote on the same target as BM
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Accidentally posted this in wrong thread
On April 26 2012 08:56 Risen wrote:
Lynch is first player to the highest number of votes at the end of the day (normal TL lynch)
I don't like this. Ottox is my read... I'm changing to zephir. I can't be on the same person as BM. Horrible reasoning. I can't do it.
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Ok sticking with my read. I'm sorry I'm panicking I'm leaving
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I switched back in time. There was 1 minute left
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I pretty much confirmed myself as the person to be lynched tomorrow when I panicked. I'm sorry. Good luck town. I'll make the requisite posts tomorrow so I'm not modkilled and I'll post as many cases as I can.
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On April 26 2012 09:13 PaqMan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 09:10 Risen wrote:
I pretty much confirmed myself as the person to be lynched tomorrow when I panicked. I'm sorry. Good luck town. I'll make the requisite posts tomorrow so I'm not modkilled and I'll post as many cases as I can. Wait, what? Why are you assuming that you're going to get lynched?
If I was a townie I would vote me and I don't know anything that could change my mind. I'll do everything I can before I'm gone.
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On April 26 2012 09:15 johnnywup wrote:yeah, why is he assuming he isn't going to be shot by a vig first?  he def should die one way or another
Why would this "vig" you're talking about shoot me? I'm pretty much auto-lynch tomorrow.
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On April 26 2012 09:16 PaqMan wrote:
Okay, so you believe that the actions you just did are lynch-worthy.
Soooo... why did you pull that voteswitch the first place? Did you not think about that before-hand?
I think it's pretty clear I panicked at the last second. I considered layabout's point that ottox was contributing to the thread more than zeph was and then my mind said well BM is voting ottox I should get off this guy. Then when I swapped I realized how stupid I was being and so I swapped back and wasn't even thinking about the fact that a tie would now lynch zephir.
I'm really sorry guys. This seems to happen to me in every game I'm in and I always end up screwing the thread up. I think I'm taking a break from mafia after this game.
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On April 26 2012 09:18 BroodKingEXE wrote:
@Risen how frantic were you voting on day 1?
Why would I be frantic voting on Day 1? I was frantically trying to get people off VE if that's what you mean. I don't understand.
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On April 26 2012 09:23 BroodKingEXE wrote:
So why did you switch your vote so much(on day 1)? I am trying to figure out if this was a heat of the moment thing or a scum slip. I think you changed it 3 times and even said that you were fine changing to about 3 other people.
Wait what? I placed a useless vote on layabout and then changed it once to BM way before deadline.
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I've been wrapped up in eve since I've given up here, but I still think ottox is scum. I'm sorry I fucked up. Good luck, town.
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I'm going to sleep. Will look through Mt's filter tomorrow to see if he was trying to point something out to us from his night 1 tracking result.
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On April 28 2012 03:00 BroodKingEXE wrote:
OMG. St. Daniels voted for Zeph without posting in this thread or using reasoning. If he was town he would have provided some sort of reason or even a vote in the thread.
##Vote: St. Daniels
I agree completely. Which is why ##vote MidnightGladius
jk, back from classes. Gimme a while since I'm playing eve atm
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Whatever I'm voting ottoxlol. I gave up when I realized it came out that we lost a second blue. Who else is there to make a case on? I already screwed us by completely screwing up yesterday b/c I'm horrible. I read through people's filters and this game is so trashed what's the point? I'm going to vote for ottox, he's still my strongest scumread besides BM who everyone seems to be A OK with lurking like a boss then popping in for two seconds then popping back out. Same with freakin St Daniels I don't care that he was sick or whatever. Every game I'm in is ruined by lurkers. When ottox flips that means I'm lynched next. And then it's pretty much lylo according to gonzaw's earlier statement. I'm sorry, like I said earlier this is pretty much the second consecutive gamed I've ruined and I didn't even know I could ruin a game when I wasn't an alignment checker.
##vote: ottoxlol
I'm voting BM tomorrow.
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I come back expecting Ottox or me to be gone. Instead town has somehow managed to vote for someone else. Makes perfect sense. Also, LOL at the mafia losing a goon, that's hilarious. Post-game talk is gonna be titled "When Lurking Goes Wrong". Anyways, I had given up but now there's a serious chance we could win. I'll actually post cases shortly before day post (which is at 5PM PST correct?). I've missed so much b/c I pretty much was resigned to posting/voting to avoid modkill, I have a lot to read.
I'm laughing so hard at scum fail right now.
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On April 30 2012 04:05 marvellosity wrote:
Day post is in 5 hours, whichever timezone that is for you.
Then I guess I have to start reading right now. Yeah 5PST is 5 hours for me, thank you.
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Hopefully no one expects something massive. I'm finding it really hard to check back into the game after completely removing all my interest in it.
Anyways... Here it is 10mins before the day post.
ghost_403
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I don't see where any scum suspicion on Ghost comes from, he's at worst a null read. Someone said earlier that you should look at every action from both town and scum perspectives and I don't see scum acting the way he does. This is WIFOM, though and just a small part of why I don't see him as scum. He's been actively pushing ottoxlol who happened to be my strongest read prior to leaving and while this may be something he's doing trying to go for town cred, he's been pushing him from very early and he points out that the guys filter is 7 pages long at this point and useless.
marvellosity
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I don't know how he's managed to go from being a lynch candidate day 1 with his vote on VE to someone who hasn't received as much attention as others on that list, but it probably has to do with his activity in the thread and general contribution. His bouts with BJ were annoying but who am I to talk? At this point I've given everyone who was on VE a baddie pass and this applies to marvel as well. I think it was stupid to vote for him, but stupidity != scum. Moving on, dude has 11 pages of filter, and while a lot of it is fluff, a lot of it is genuine scumhunting (even if he's wrong sometimes) and most importantly to me, he justifies his votes with well thought out logic. If marvel is scum he's doing a primo job of it.
johnnywup
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Dude keeps making wild swings on my town/scum meter. One second I'm like damn that's some scummy shit bro, and the next I'm trying to figure out how scum could look so town. He's all over the map with his opinions, and as he said early on he sheeps b/c he's bad or something. To me I don't know how to take that statement. Self-depreciating humor is great, but it's also a great mask for scum. Regardless, he's been active and I don't consider him as a lynch candidate come tomorrow at this point.
mattchew
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Honestly, when I clicked on his filter I expected him to be a lurker that had somehow escaped my notice. Instead I find 10 pages worth of posts. Wtf? I had a complete null read on him. So I'm reading through all his posts right now and I see a few cases, he gives reasoning for his votes, but idk he makes a case on paq d1 and then kind of lets it drop off. I guess maybe he thought paq looked town and backed off. He does nice research, though, and he responds to a lot of stuff. Leaning green.
Janaan
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You have two pages of posts, and SOMEHOW in spite of this Janaan is green in my mind. Maybe it's a quality over quantity thing (his posts aren't all long either) but he doesn't sheep and he gives reasons for everything he does. Honestly, though, I wish he would post more. I hate lurkers, and if he posted more he'd be a lot easier to read. It's like the opposite of mattchew here, he posts not as often, but I thought he had been posting actively.
Bill Murray
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Dude has two pages of filler just like Janaan but I challenge you to find the same amount of quality. He's lurking, and the only somewhat redeeming quality I've found in him is that he doesn't really shit up the thread that much. It's like his posts are trying to direct people or something I don't know. He doesn't have that much to read, my feelings against him are almost strictly because I hate lurkers. But now that I'm going soft on Janaan I find it hard to berate him for lurking when there's other people lurking. I just wish no one lurked...
BroodKingEXE
+ Show Spoiler +Didn't even know he was in the game until Day 2.There's quite literally almost FOUR DAYS between his posts April 22 2012 13:57 April 26 2012 02:19 That's taking what BM has managed to accomplish and placing on an entirely different level. I have no idea how he avoided a modkill, but I'm leaning towards iGrok not wanting to fuck scum that early. Is he the second goon? Then there's this and this is the only quote I'm putting in here because it's atrocious. On April 29 2012 01:45 BroodKingEXE wrote:@Mattchew: Mementoss's thoughts are important, but BM disagrees with his posts while mocking the death of a blue. His post implies that he wants a response from menmentoss (who he says is dead). @johnny: This is why: Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 14:25 Bill Murray wrote:
I am not going to be wagoning paqman today and I will vote the next person to vote for him He has been jumping around with his accusations the whole game without digging hard into any one case. I felt his posting started to look better toward the middle of page 2 of his filter, but these last two posts are very scummy. St. Daniels has been lurking, but the way he is doing it is really bothering me (behind our backs Zeph vote). No one is willing to pay attention to him due to how inactive (alledgedly) he is. This is a perfect cover for a lurking Mafia in my mind. Lurking isn't good, it is a very pro-mafia behavior. I have seen posts from these lurkers that further reinforce my suspicions. If we don't look at their posts due to thinking their "too easy" targets we will never be able to find Mafia. I am looking at others posts, but as far as I can see these two are the most scummy. Yeah? Lurking isn't good? I'm beginning to think that maybe the entire scum team just up and decided goons should lurk this entire game and see if town would rip itself apart. It's been working pretty well so far...
[UoN]Sentinel
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Caught somewhere in the twilight zone he has 4 pages of posts and I wouldn't say he's truly lurking, but he isn't posting that much content. He keeps making excuses about why he doesn't do anything over, and over, and over. Maybe that's why he has more posts than the other lurkers? I'm not leaning town on Sentinel and he's actually probably more scum than anything else in my mind, but he's been voting ottoxlol and why would he do that? That's some heavy WIFOM, though.
PaqMan
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Honestly I hate the fact that he's tunneled me at every opportunity, but when I look at it from scum point of view I don't know why he'd give himself up like this. When I look at it from town view, well shit I would probably hate me too. Having said this, he isn't unwilling to consolidate his vote when he realizes it's a useless one, as opposed to BK. He's also been fairly active this game. I say this through gritted teeth, but paq is probably town. If he's scum he's doing a very good job of being town.
Ottoxlol
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Finally, we come to the man who should have been lynched but because I fucked up didn't end up getting lynched. Then he managed to avoid another lynch and this is probably a lot my fault for checking out. Ghost just said in thread in thread that ottox has a 7 page filter that is useless. I'd like to expound on this and further push that he's the king of fluff. He's not actively scum hunting, and all of his defense posts are entirely useless. His defense against BJ's case on him was to quote it. That's almost all he does, is quote other people's work and either sheep on it or say it's bad. Just now as I'm reading his filter he posts cases on ghost and paq? What? His case against ghost is really just him defending himself and I don't even get his case against paq...
Given my previous case, and this most recent nonsense I'll be voting ottoxlol for the third day in a row if I live, which also happens to be why I'm waiting to post this list so close to day post. I'd rather not have a giant X on my back and they probably think I'm just making empty promises again. I was prepared for pushing BKExe tomorrow but Ottox needs to be lynched.
Tomorrow my first post will be ##vote ottoxlol
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