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On April 25 2012 09:25 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 09:23 Mementoss wrote:On April 25 2012 09:21 marvellosity wrote:On April 25 2012 09:18 Risen wrote:On April 25 2012 09:11 PaqMan wrote:On April 25 2012 09:08 Risen wrote:
Both of you need to seriously sit there and think about what I just said. I was not certain VE was town, I WAS HOWEVER 100% CERTAIN LYNCHING VE WAS STUPID. I didn't imply shit about being certain he was town. We lynch to kill scum, right? We do not lynch to kill town, right? And you really really really did not want VE lynched, right? Sooo, yeah... If you read through your filter you can see how hard you were defending VE. You were defending him with so much vigor that you even declared anyone voting for him should be lynched/vigi'd. Wanna know why I was defending with so much vigor? Because I've been in that same spot. I thought after GoT that no one would be bad enough to vote for a claimed blue like that after I was lynched following my blue claim w/ a red detection. On top of this he was our DOCTOR role. How is this hard to understand?! It's SO SIMPLE :/ I'm doing my best to stay calm and not curse and not get modkilled like BJ, but I'm having a really hard time. You do remember Mafia LI where you called me scum because I didn't vote for the blue-claiming VE, don't you? Like, VE was scum there and you were right. But we can't pretend all blue claims = valid = can't lynch. That was day 2, completely different situation. He claimed DT without knowing his sanity. ? Risen's claim in GoT wasn't Day 1 either. I'm not claiming the cases were the same, I was just saying (to repeat) that we can't pretend all blue claims = valid = can't lynch. I'm not backhandedly having a stab at Risen either, I was just making a sidepoint. Now I'm going to stop talking about it because it's clogging unnecessarily.
I'm saying it doesn't matter. VEs claim without knowing his sanity meant that you could logically vote for him. A detective claim before LYLO with guaranteed sanity following a confirmed red check like I did in GoT is not a logical lynch. A lynch of a claimed doctor role Day 1 is also not logical. That's what it comes down to. I'm not saying all blue claims deserve to = do not lynch this person, but in some cases it makes logical sense to not lynch that person.
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EBWOP: I'll drop it too. I'm just trying to defend myself.
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Is there a reason you haven't responded to my case against you ottoxlol? Went to sleep expecting a response by the time I woke up... It's on page 62 if you somehow missed people talking about it...
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Good to see BKExe back and with a decent post. I agree with the case against zephir and you're just pointing out things that have already been said for the most part, but at least you're posting. Having said that I want to see your thoughts on ottoxlol.
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On April 26 2012 04:45 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Can someone point out to me why all this suspicion about Ottoxlol? I'm having trouble finding any big cases against him. His earlier posts look fine to me.
Look in my filter for my case against him. It's spoilered. Or look on page 62
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On April 26 2012 05:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 04:57 johnnywup wrote:i'm pushing sentinel the most out of gonzaws cases because of: On April 24 2012 10:27 gonzaw wrote:
Whatever, Sentinel should be lynched first though.[...] I may have played badly the first few days and lurked, but I'm not stupid enough to shoot the guy who wrote the biggest case on me. Shooting ghost in his stead (or both of them) would have been even more of a dead giveaway.
WIFOM for days...
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On April 26 2012 05:10 johnnywup wrote:
Anyone on ottox, vote for either sentinel or Zephirdd. I'm not convinced that ottox can't just be bad. I feel like Scum may be trying to sway to public opinion into a mislynch by voting Ottox. He may be scum, but I think that we have a way better shot hitting scum by lynching either zephirdd or sentinel.
I haven't looked that hard into zeph or sent b/c my strongest read is ottox. I'm not exactly comfortable voting for the same person as zephir, sent, and BM. I haven't forgotten about BM but there's almost nothing to build a case on sans shouting lurker, and since that didn't work yesterday... They might be voting their scumbuddy to gain cred, but then again they might be voting a town player they think they can wagon... But that's some serious WIFOM and assumes all three are scum, which I don't think is the case.
I'll look into zephir and sent when I'm done with my eve roaming.
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On April 26 2012 05:21 Ottoxlol wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 05:10 johnnywup wrote:
Anyone on ottox, vote for either sentinel or Zephirdd. I'm not convinced that ottox can't just be bad. I feel like Scum may be trying to sway to public opinion into a mislynch by voting Ottox. He may be scum, but I think that we have a way better shot hitting scum by lynching either zephirdd or sentinel. .
##unvote:johnnywup
He buddies you so he gets an unvote? Wtf why? Mind explaining yourself?
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I feel like this game has devolved into the WIFOM olympics...
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I've read through zephir's filter and he honestly doesn't appear all that scummy to me until his very recent posting, but that could be his desperation coming through. I feel like I should sit with my vote on ottox. He's my read and sentinel has redeemed himself in my eyes today. I really haven't seen anything good from BKExe, BM, or STDaniels that I was hoping for, though.
I can see where you're coming from on MG layabout but how much time do we have left before lynch? I still think ottox is scum. You may think he's just a noob but that's not really a defense.
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EBWOP: See the deadline is in an hour. How many people do we really have that can vote right now? I just noticed stdaniel's ninja vote. I'm trying to figure out if he just quit the game and is doing the bare minimum to avoid modkill or he's just being lurker scum. To me it almost doesn't matter, though.
I mean, very ill great... but he doesn't sound like he's ill anymore.
I can't stand lurkers and I'm 100% willing to lynch him tomorrow. They're useless and we can't afford people lurking at this point. This applies to BKExe as well, though he didn't lurk vote so +1 for you big guy. If by day 3 your filter isn't filling 2 pages something is wrong.
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On April 26 2012 07:56 johnnywup wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 07:48 layabout wrote:
Johnny i didn't think zeph was scummy yesterday and i said so. I still don't think he is now. And my number 1 scumread voted for him.
MG has been truly apathetic towards today's lynch, he has put in very little effort and offered very little of his own thoughts. He was willing to write a case against Johnny, he gave up on it, and now he has hopped onto the zeph wagon because of reasons that he has apparently had for days that he is not willing to share with us.
The lynch is in an hour right? I think MG would be a good lynch but I don't think we have enough time. Isn't there the possibility of bussing? I think it's more than a possibility at this point. So don't let MG voting zeph make you think zeph is town. You have other reasons for thinking zeph is town, I guess. I think it's MG+Sentinel+Zeph+One other on a scum team atm. I like you pushing a read but it's too late right now.
Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 07:53 Risen wrote:
I've read through zephir's filter and he honestly doesn't appear all that scummy to me until his very recent posting, but that could be his desperation coming through. I feel like I should sit with my vote on ottox. He's my read and sentinel has redeemed himself in my eyes today. I really haven't seen anything good from BKExe, BM, or STDaniels that I was hoping for, though.
I can see where you're coming from on MG layabout but how much time do we have left before lynch? I still think ottox is scum. You may think he's just a noob but that's not really a defense. this is just false, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329128¤tpage=36#705 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329128¤tpage=38#741so, MG+Sentinel+Zeph+Risen?
Don't be dense. The second one you linked was b/c zeph was lurking. You should know that I just b/c I want lurkers dead doesn't mean I want them lynched. I'd rather they be shot.
I don't see the contradiction. One post does not a lynch target make. You know what we CAN do? We can press people tomorrow and see how they react.
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EBWOP: You can even go back to page 37 and see where I realized I left zeph off my list.
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On April 26 2012 08:02 layabout wrote:
ottox if you don't switch onto MG i will kill you
Are you claiming vig? Wtf
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What is with this last second push trying to get people off ottox/zeph and onto MG.
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On April 26 2012 08:06 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 08:03 Risen wrote:On April 26 2012 08:02 layabout wrote:
ottox if you don't switch onto MG i will kill you Are you claiming vig? Wtf why do you care if he is blue or not when he isn't up for lynching also, I have posted reads on ottox throughout the day. I will vote for him to be lynched over zeph
Probably b/c layabout should know better than to claim openly in thread. Layabout should KNOW that vigs don't shoot until after scum, so that "claim" doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
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On April 26 2012 08:07 johnnywup wrote:
I'm thinking of doing a last second push onto you risen. I don't think theres enough time/people available to do it however. Come tomorrow I hope I see your name on the day post, shot from a vig. If not, I want you lynched. I'm confident you're scum now.
And you are confident why? I look forward to your case. Paq is probably pissing himself he's so happy he has a convert.
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EBQOP: Oh look. There he is. I'm shocked.
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On April 26 2012 08:09 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 08:02 layabout wrote:
ottox if you don't switch onto MG i will kill you Is layabout referring to a) The fact that his vote should secure an ottoxlol lynch b) He has decided to claim vig which would allow mafia to block the one shot he would have by shooting him during the coming night less derp more lynching MG
Then you should probably have said you'd vote for him not just say you'd kill him...
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On April 26 2012 08:12 johnnywup wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 08:11 Risen wrote:On April 26 2012 08:09 layabout wrote:On April 26 2012 08:02 layabout wrote:
ottox if you don't switch onto MG i will kill you Is layabout referring to a) The fact that his vote should secure an ottoxlol lynch b) He has decided to claim vig which would allow mafia to block the one shot he would have by shooting him during the coming night less derp more lynching MG Then you should probably have said you'd vote for him not just say you'd kill him... stop nitpicking. that phrasing doesn't and shouldn't make a difference.
And why the hell not? I'm not the only one who gave a giant wtf when he did it. Don't try and make this look like I'm the only one who reacted.
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