EPTOn April 23 2012 04:38 Mattchew wrote:
so paq, whats your opinion on blazing's alignment?
so paq, whats your opinion on blazing's alignment?
The way he's been acting is disruptive and chaotic. Either bad townie or good scum.
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The way he's been acting is disruptive and chaotic. Either bad townie or good scum. | ||
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On April 23 2012 04:39 BlazingJitsu wrote: You deliberately say nothing about Marv all game except this and this: You basically ignore any discussion about him because you are scum and afraid. You want him to be vigied instead of lynched because you talked to him in the scum QT and he was like "yeah i'm a godfather". We're gonna lynch him, he'll flip GF, then we're gonna lynch you. Paqman, why you scumslipping? If you were scum, wouldn't you leave your vote on Marv? Or do you actually think he's scum? ._. Seriously though if you wanted to ride a wagon you'd get on a wagon that's not the lynch wagon and not Marv (who you want to live). like the one you're on now. I never voted on Marv, what the hell are you talking about. I don't need to mention him because you've been riding his dick the entire game. I also looove how you keep putting words in my mouth because you know I'm not scum and you dont got shit on me. + Show Spoiler + You want him to be vigied instead of lynched because you talked to him in the scum QT and he was like "yeah i'm a godfather" .dafuq? | ||
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On April 23 2012 04:51 Risen wrote: A chaotic hydra? Shocking. How can you say bad town, good scum? Chaotic? Yes. His arguments consist of [CAPSLOCK CAPS CAPS scream scream whine] + [marv is scum marv is scum MARV IS SCUM]. It's messy and hurts my eyes to look at. Good scum because he created a bandwagon on marv that everyone's jumping on. Risen, you said you were catching up on the thread, what happened to that? You also said that you were working on a big analysis, and you have yet to counter Gonzaw's argument... | ||
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On April 23 2012 04:54 slOosh wrote: VisceraEyes' JK claim doesn't make sense, his reasoning for claiming is inconsistent as well as directly counter to his previous stance of not wanting to give mafia information, and has not provided any substantial case against anyone, which indicates that his matrying is fabricated rather than authentic. Most likely a scum lying to survive. Keeping him alive to let scum shoot him is foolishness, as they don't have to, and this will tie up D2 discussion. Additionally, his claim does explain his scummy actions that I point out in my case (apathy, fearmongering, misrepresentation etc.) Marv's posting is fine and probably would be better if he didn't need to spend so much time defending himself against BJ. BM is lurking, but should not be considered unless you think VE and marv isn't scum, as the case on him is minimal. Risen seems to be the alternate for people who don't want to lynch VE because he claimed JK. They should reconsider their reasoning of keeping VE alive. We can look into Risen tomorrow. Votes should start consolidating, and discussion should be centered around this. Anything else is derailing town's current focus, which is to agree and lynch the scummiest candidate. No screw that. If VE is a blue JK then I don't understand why the hell Mafia wouldn't take him out. VE was in the lead with votes but BJ started a wagon on marv (who I believe is green). I'm starting to think BJ is just saving his scumbuddy by racking votes on a guy that doesn't know how to defend himself. | ||
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How are you going to completely ignore Gonzaw's case on you? From what you said, your only reason for voting marv is because he voted VE. I call total bullshit on you dude. Bill Murray voted VE, but you have said NOTHING about him, or the other 6 people who're voting for him. You're throwing your vote on Marv because he's the fucking scapegoat wagon-train. Start explaining yourself | ||
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On April 23 2012 01:16 gonzaw wrote: Risen: I'd like to lynch Risen and I'll tell you why This post is wishy washy as hell. First he starts by being unnecessary apologetic when laya called him out. He posts a very wishy washy statement like "from what I've read I don't find anyone really all that scummy". Really? That's not the town Risen I know of. The town Risen I know of would instantly find people scummy and try to create discussion. Town Risen wouldn't stay neutral and spout wishy washy shit like "I'm not sure who's scummy". Then he keeps trying to appear more "innocent" and neutral by saying things like "I messed up last game with my pressure on ET so I'm not sure how to get everyone posting". Then the rest of the post is fluff about Mementos' plan. He doesn't seem to have a solid stance on the matter (says things like "I don't like directing blues, though I realize this game has special stuff going on") yet he just keeps talking about it. Also, please note the tone of his post. It seems neutral, but most of all it's not aggressive at all. It seems submisive. Layabout called him out and he seems afraid and posts only because he was called out. Also take notice of the bolded "Posting lots is pro-town" bit, I'll use it later. He just barely comments on the marvel issue, but doesn't really take any stances. He keeps up with his "I still don't think anybody is scummy" excuse to avoid taking stances on people. He also doesn't comment on other things happening in the thread, like VE's "case" on me, or my case against VE, or the Paqman/Mattchew issue, nothing. Again, note the bolded bit too. Now here's the kicker. Here he goes against layabout and votes him, and his reason is "I think you're making up bullshit to try and push an easy wagon on me"... ...really? I already said how this seems like Toad's play from LI. He ignores current discussion, he avoids taking a stance on the current events, and instead decides to FoS someone completely irrelevant for shitty reasons, and keeps his vote there. This vote only disrupts town because he fails to justify it and derails current discussions. Not only that, but it makes it so he can "justify" his vote and just leave it there, so he can fake trying to contribute. But there's another important thing to take into account: Notice how aggressive he's become against layabout. Why did the tone of his post and his behaviour change so much? In that first post he sounded afraid. Laya called him out and he sounded submissive against him, he was the opposite of aggressive. He posted trying to please laya, had a very neutral tone, was wishy-washy and didn't take any stances. Yet now that layabout points out Risen being suspicious, he flips and goes all crazy against him? Really? I don't buy that change of behaviour, it's inconsisent, it's way too sudden and doesn't make sense with the way he was posting before. Hey, remember that bolded bits I was mentioning before? Here: He says that posting a lot is pro-town, yet he's not following his own advice and is barely posting! So really people, Risen is scum because:
So people, let's lynch Risen ##Unvote: VisceraEyes ##Vote: Risen EVERYONE needs to read this shit. Every single point made in that case is right and Risen so far has ignored all of it. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On April 21 2012 14:14 Risen wrote: He already pointed it out in his post voting for you. You're a little late. Posting from my phone I'll be home in a couple hours but it's a little late. Just read everything on my phone, though. Alright, cool, nothing really wrong with it. No real content and nothing that circulates discussion, but hey it's his first post. I'll give that to him. One thing to note is the bolded though. On April 22 2012 02:22 Risen wrote: Yeah I'm sorry. Just woke up. I'll get posting. Posting lots is pro-town and from what I've read I don't find anyone really all that scummy. I'd rather we put pressure on someone who isn't posting. I messed up last game with my pressure on ET so I'm not sure how to get everyone posting. From the last page I do have a problem with mementoss' idea. It seems solid but as you said on this page, all vigs would have to get on board. I don't like directing blues in the first place (i realize this game has special stuff going on, though, so I don't think forwarding the idea is scummy. I just don't think we should do it). Another problem with your plan mt is your directing of jailkeepers. By directing jk away from targets and the vigis you give scum a potential three kill night. They can kill the vig, another person, and then if the vigi target is town they get to laugh at us. To sum, don't direct blues. I think there's been enough discussion about it and with no clearly best plan there's no way to get everyone behind one plan. #1 - He posts this roughly 30 minutes after layabout's post. He coincidentally woke up when he name gets mentioned. I'll give him benefit of the doubt on this one #2 - posting lots is pro-town. But, you don't even have a full page of posts in your filter, even though D1 is a few hours from ending.#3 - posting lots is pro-town and from what I've read I don't find anyone really all that scummy. So what does that mean? Well he's doing what I was previously accusing Mattchew of, not taking a definite side. He's not making a solid opinion on anything. The rest of his post is fluffy. He gives his input on MT's plan and that's it. He doesn't establish any solid ground on any of the issues at hand. His only mention of scum is that "nobody looks scummy". On April 22 2012 02:28 Risen wrote: I don't get your reasoning mt or anyone else's voting for marvel. He's posting and it's very early day 1. There isn't that much to go off of so I don't think he's scummy. This part's important as he does end up voting marv with a very stupid reason. On April 22 2012 02:28 Risen wrote: I hatelurkers, they always fuck us and it isn't pro-town at all. I'd rather not lynch someone who's here day 1. And who does Risen end up voting for? Marv! Risen is full of shit. His only reason for voting marv is because marv voted for VE. But what about Bill Murray? Dude's lurking the entire D1 and votes for VE. Based on just this quote you would think that Risen votes BM but he jumps right in the wagon that BJ made and votes marv. On April 22 2012 02:28 Risen wrote: Posting is pro-town and I don't think we should be scaring people away from posting day 1 bc it just gives people an excuse to be worthless dafuq are you talking about? His next post is basically useless but the next 3 posts are is gold. On April 22 2012 02:58 Risen wrote: Oh, alright. I had read the vigi shot being refunded, but didn't apply that to them not shooting if they were killed. And wtf? Where the fuck do you get me targeting ANYONE right now? Do you see me voting any "lurkers"? Did I point any out? No. I didn't. Why didn't I? Because I know how early it is in the game. Take your useless shit somewhere else layabout. What's with the sudden freak out? All layabout does is make a little comment on you and you blow up. On April 22 2012 03:04 Risen wrote: I think you're making up bullshit to try and push an easy wagon on me. ##vote layabout I'm done for now. I'll change my vote if someone does something scummy but I don't see anything and I think someone trying to push a wagon at this point is our best bet. I'll vote for the hydra too. He immediately votes layabout all because of this little comment: + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 02:54 layabout wrote: Anybody feel like Risen is hustlin' us? Also take note of the bold. That's his only mention of BJ&BH. The next couple of posts are useless. So far he still hasn't contributed jack to Town and his posts are weak. UNTIL we get to this one: Why is he so defensive all of a sudden? He definitely is acting off. He's acting like he's guilty of something. He immediately proclaims himself as an easy wagon. But look where he ends up putting his most recent vote! On April 22 2012 03:56 Risen wrote: No. Why even bring that up? I'd call you scum if I thought you were scum. Scum aren't the only ones who jump on a stupid wagon. Lazy townies who don't feel like posting or playing jump on them and screw town too. Again he's acting way too overly-defensive. Chill out bro. On April 23 2012 04:27 Risen wrote: Hey folks. I'm not actually voting layabout. Just woke up, was out drinking last night. I'm going to be going through everyone's filters and I'll make a giant post containing my analysis. It has been two hours since and he still hasn't made his giant post. So far he's keeping up with the thread so I highly doubt he's even working on one. On April 23 2012 04:27 Risen wrote: Let me catch up on the thread, though. Why are there two votes on me? I assumed when layabout wasn't able to start the choo choo that train died. He's "surprised" he has votes on him and is still convinced that layabout's little comment was an attempt to start a wagon on him. It's been two hours since he woke up and that's plenty of time to read through the thread. Despite this, he still has not said a single thing on Gonzaw's case against him. He hasn't brought it up nor has he made a single mention of it. As of that^^ post he still has not given any solid opinions on who is scummy and who's not. Spoilered because I don't want to clutter my case >.> + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 05:33 Risen wrote: Honestly johnnywup is my biggest scumread atm Pac. I have no idea why he thinks forwarding another lynch candidate at the last second is a good idea, and it just shits up the thread. Do we take the case against him seriously? Do we try and organize everyone to swap their votes over to zeph even though no one else has mentioned zeph as a serious candidate thus far? We can't do that, we don't have the time. Okay, finally have an opinion. johnnyboy is your biggest scumread. On April 23 2012 05:33 Risen wrote: I know I was against it before, but I don't see how marvel could be pushing a lynch on VE right now. We can't lynch our claimed JK. It's been stated in the thread but I'll state it again. You don't lynch a claimed doctor, and we shouldn't lynch the closest thing we have to a doctor. Is it possible VE is lying? Yup. He might be lying and be a vigi, or a tracker, or scum, or vanilla. Doesn't matter. The only shitty thing is that the person who is jailed doesn't know they were jailed, so I don't know how to confirm his claim. Regardless, a vote on VE is stupid. It's just like everyone who voted for me when I claimed a guaranteed sane detective with a red check. Only an idiot would vote for said blue unless it was LYLO. It's applicable here. We can't lynch someone who claims such a powerful blue role right now. Is it a shitty claim? Yeah. I don't think it was smart, but we have to roll with it now that it's in the open. Any trackers watch him, I guess. I'm voting marvel. Pre-EBWOP I just looked at the voting thread prior to hitting post. What the hell is going on? How can you lynch a claimed blue? This is so stupid. If need be I'll vote BM b/c I'm all for lynching someone who's being useless, but for now my vote is resting on marvel. ##vote marvellosity He shits up the rest of this post with useless crap. But wait!! Despite johnnyboy having Risen's biggest scumread, Risen votes for marv?!?!?! Whyyyy??? Here's why: On April 23 2012 05:33 Risen wrote: I'm voting marvel. Pre-EBWOP I just looked at the voting thread prior to hitting post. What the hell is going on? How can you lynch a claimed blue? This is so stupid. If need be I'll vote BM b/c I'm all for lynching someone who's being useless, but for now my vote is resting on marvel. ##vote marvellosity He's voting marv because marv placed his vote on VE. I call complete bullshit on Risen. He put his vote on marv because marv is easy wagon #1. Sound familiar? We got you cornered mofo. 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On April 23 2012 06:46 Risen wrote: How convenient? When does the day end again? Hmm... Sarcasm bro. It's been 3 hours and you still have not posted your big analysis. Your time is running out scum. | ||
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He is scum. Take note of the actions he's made so far and read through his entire filter, and you'll see how scummy this guy is. | ||
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On April 23 2012 07:10 Risen wrote: No one is going to pay attention to you. You're an idiot. WHAT WAGON DID I JUMP ON. I never even placed my vote on marv. Go look at the voting thread. derpderpderp, I'm hurrdurrPaq, I don't actually read anything, I just jump on Gonzaw's case, say I'm going to be away, but actually never leave when Risen comes to defend himself. I was away, typing my case on you. You still haven't posted your giant atrocious analysis that needs spoilers. You wrote a whole post about why you were voting for marv and you even said ##Vote Marvollosity. You OBVIOUSLY had the intention to jump on his wagon and vote for him. Why are you so wishy-washy?? Oh yeah because you. are. scum. Immediately after I point out the contradictions in your posts you switch your vote to BM. Even more, your only counter-argument against my case is this: derpderpderp, I'm hurrdurrPaq, I don't actually read anything, I just jump on Gonzaw's case, say I'm going to be away, but actually never leave when Risen comes to defend himself. You don't have anything to say about everything I pointed out because it's true. You're scum. | ||
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On April 23 2012 07:16 BlazingJitsu wrote: Risen I would like to thank you: at least you're not derping up the thread like at least 6 players are in this game. The fact that some of these players MUST be town and not scum is just apalling. oh hai your finally back from lunch. I assume you're going to go back to shitting up the thread with your half-assed claims? | ||
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On April 23 2012 07:21 BlazingJitsu wrote: The only lynch I am down with is a Marv lynch. i will consider a paq lynch, but only as a last resort-- it's much better to lynch Marv first THEN paq, since a lot of my suspicion of Paq is an associative tell of Marv. Step 1) lynch Marv. Step 2) Lynch Paq As a side note, TL's freaking flood control is preventing me from reacting quickly to most replies. I think this account is only allowed to post once every 5 minutes or so since it's new. Unless it's really urgent expect a 5ish minute delay for any post from this account. If it comes down to it I'll make the posts using Blazinghand and then repeat them with this account to make them filter-viewable. EBWOP to any posts I made in the past 5 minutes: -Blazinghand No, that's you, scum. I'm here to save the town from you and jubjubs. -Blazinghand If you think I'm scum come at me bro. You have nothing to back up your sorry claims besides the fact that I believe Marv is town. | ||
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On April 23 2012 07:24 Risen wrote: No one is this stupid. No matter who is lynched today I'm voting you. If you're town I hope you get your shit together next game. No one as dumb as you should even be allowed into TL Mafia. If I had to make a list of people I hate most, it would start with lurkers, and then right under it would be fools like you who tunnel someone and are too blind to anything else going on in the thread. One of you and gonzaw is scum. I think it's probably gonzaw because I don't think a scums teammates would let their team idiot jump on a case so hard when it's built of paper. Aww umad? Well if I'm wrong prove me wrong and shut down my case. | ||
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On April 23 2012 07:36 johnnywup wrote: why are you defending VE so much, telling people to get off his ass? Personally I think he's town because in LI he was scum and he worked his ass off to clear his name for like 2 days straight. This is the polar opposite. And exactly: BM Has done NOTHING. Will lynching him give us any information if he's town OR scum? No. He'll be dead and we'll be back at square one. I'm not really lurking. Everyones shouting at everyone and I don't want to add to the shouting. I'd lynch Risen or BM if it came down to it. Lol sorry. He refuses to counteract my case and goes straight for the insults so I'm done arguing with him. Gronzaw's case pointed out all the flaws and inconsistencies with Risen and I followed up with my PoP case. If everyone has the Towns best interest I ask they read our cases and decide for themselves if the posts we made paint Risen as scum. | ||
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Remind me how I'm scum plz BJ. | ||
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On April 22 2012 22:06 VisceraEyes wrote: My vote on BM is not random. It's based on the fact that he was semi-active leading up to the game started and he's made 3 in-game posts, all of which are devoid of content and completely neutral...yet he jumps on a VE vote based on nothing but "he doesn't like gonzaw's plan!" My claim isn't "an appalling move" or "a bad move"...it's not a move at all. It's a claim, because it explains my reasoning for gonzaw's mass-claim idea, and because I don't give a shit about my role. Roles aren't going to find scum, scumhunting and logic are going to find scum. I think Bill Murray is scum, I don't think he's a "random lurker" and I've made that abundantly clear. The scum are Bill Murray, gonzaw, MidnightGladius, layabout as far as I can see. I want to kill BM first. Viscera's last scumread^^ VE did screw himself on this. He wanted to get himself lynched. On April 22 2012 23:48 VisceraEyes wrote: K this game is no longer interesting to me. I'm not interested in defending myself. ##Unvote: Bill Murray ##Vote: VisceraEyes For anyone concerned about me "playing to my win-condition", D1 discussion is ruined and I can accept my part in that. Lynch me, flip me, and do what you will with the information. You'll win with it. And therefor, I'll win. I'm playing to my win-condition. gg | ||
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I'm null on Gonzaw although I support his case against Risen. But he hasn't posted pretty much the whole day. I'm null on midnightglad as I haven't been paying attention to his posts. I'm leaning town with layabout. | ||
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