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Risen
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On April 23 2012 06:06 PaqMan wrote: Shit's about to go down. I'm going to write up something so I'll be back in a few hours How convenient? When does the day end again? Hmm... | ||
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On April 23 2012 06:12 layabout wrote: Guys, if you believe that VE is being honest then you believe that he wants us to lynch him because he thinks its in town's best interests. If you believe that he is lying then there is next to no chance that he is town and lynching him is in town's best interests. VE is being an emo idiot. This isn't a good enough reason to vote for him. I'm playing what I call the wbg strategy. It entials dragging derpderp townies kicking and screaming so they stop being fools. GET OFF VE. | ||
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slOosh seems like someone who had his case fall apart and is too stubborn to take his vote off VE now that he has done a JK claim because he put in some effort. He needs to realize lynching VE is stupid and get off him. I don't think he's scum, but I think he's being an idiot. Sentinel is willing to give Brood "benefit of the doubt" but he's going to vote VE based on VEs trying to make discussion in the thread? Why are you so willing to lynch someone who, while I don't agree with the route, is generating discussion in the thread. Discussion is PRO-TOWN. But yeah, go ahead and keep your derpderp vote on VE. I don't think layabout is seriously voting for VE. I think he's going to switch his vote, because like I said earlier just because VE is being emoking right now does not mean we should be voting him. Layabout knows this. Stop being stuck on stupid. How shocking that marvel picks the only other person with enough votes to rival him as the person he finds most scummy. Yeah, I get it, claiming JK was bad. Bad != scum. I wish I could be ok with lynching VE because he's an idiot, but he's an idiot we can't afford to lynch right now. His claim seals it. And no, layabout is wrong. Scum can't use this as a defense because JK is a very unique roll and other blues would know how to test the claim. On April 23 2012 06:53 marvellosity wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 06:47 Mementoss wrote: I would like to note the reasoning behind the people voting VE here: Ottoxol: + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 16:36 Ottoxlol wrote: He has 5 votes right now against marv's 6. Is he a good player? He argued we shouldn't give any info to the scum then claim he's a JK. If he did not claim and we lynch marv or anyone, then scum wouldnt kill him because he had votes. This contradiction is enough for me to vote VE, everyone saying he is a good player, if he is indeed town JK he shouldn't have played this way. So I trust you guys on that he is good also that means he is a scum. ##Vote: VisceraEyes Sloosh: + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 07:13 slOosh wrote: slOosh's "VisceraEyes is scum" case. First item: VE's rebuttal of Gonzaw's plan.. Notice how VE does not actually discuss the pros and cons of the plan itself, but instead chooses to only talk about how unfeasible it is based solely on the idea of a non-cooperative JK (which might not even exist). His point by point breakdown ,which he says is for "ease of comprehension", is actually an excuse to set up strawmen, as he avoids talking about the plan itself but rather nitpicks at each point on inconsequential points. Go read the post. If you can honestly see any of the points being valid discussion of gonzaw's plan, then let's discuss that. But all I see is "analysis" used as an excuse to paint gonzaw in a bad light. No actual valid points. Second item: VE's "scumslip" catch If you look at gonzaw's post in question, you will see that he consistently uses plural pronouns "we", and so it would be totally natural to use "our" to describe the plan. Yet VE chooses to vote after catching this "scumslip", rather than demonstrating to town how gonzaw is proposing an anti-town agenda in the giant "analysis" of his rebuttal. Third item: VE's evasion when asked for clarification The post linked is the start of the evasion. Watch how Ottoxlol brings up how VE's rebuttal doesn't make much sense, and multiple times VE evades it without really wanting to flesh out his reasoning and discuss his stance. Townies aren't scared to discuss their stances - only mafia are scared of scrutiny as they fear their scum agenda being revealed. More prodding and VE gives this "explanation" To which Ottoxlol points out how illogical that is Final item: VE's apathy, misrepresentation and fearmongering (no link as there are 2 quotes) Note how VE clearly has a stance (thinks gonzaw's plan is ridiculous and terrible) but doesn't actually move to help explain and convince town why it is bad. Instead, it is like "you guys do what you want, I don't advise it, it is clearly pro scum, but you guys decide if you want to do it or not". Why wouldn't a townie be more vocal and start convincing people why it is bad if they truly believed it was pro scum agenda? Why would they be so apathetic? Fearmongering comes in the first line - it is true that this plan outs our vigs, but really - to say that it "gives scum all the information they need" is quite the exaggeration, and as discussed by others, the information isn't that valuable (cf. Ottoxlol's post in my third point). Misrepresentation is in the last line - gonzaw thinks that VE is scum because of his apathy and focus on irrelevant points and lack of proper scumhunting. (here and here) Again, he hasn't bothered to explain why this information is detrimental to town, and is instead misinterpreting it to make it seem like scum agenda. His whole beef is centered on how this plan outs our vigs, but he has never bothered explaining why that is bad, and intentionally does not acknowledge how it is different from other mass claims because it is actually 1) only making vigs claim, and 2) vigs have the death miller mechanic, which is the crux of gonzaw's plan. Conclusion: VisceraEyes has displayed a lack of scumhunting, misrepresentation of facts, fearmongering, evasion, apathy to town agenda and illogical arguments. Therefore, he must be scum. ##Vote VisceraEyes Bill Murray: No reason Marveoullosity: + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 09:31 marvellosity wrote: Alright. Two things: I find VE's faux objection to gonzaw's case really scummy. It was never backed up by any convincing analysis and it was brushed over by "I don't like the plan" Second: BH's tunnelling of me makes me despair. This is Day 1. I would really really really love to have super strong scummy cases to make on someone, but I don't. At the moment, I think sloosh's case on VE is as strong as it gets, and echos my own sentiments on how the game has played out. There have been many more lurkers, but the only inconsistency I have found has been VE's nonsense. ##Vote: VisceraEyes layabout(couldnt find in thread vote hopefully this is right post reflecting): + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 21:15 layabout wrote: First off. ##unvote marvellosity BH's case was good when you consider how early on it was posted. The case was centred around the idea that marvellosity was actively lurking (at the beginning of the game. Marvellosity is no longer actively lurking I think that marvellosity has tried to be more open and has reacted to BH's increasingly ridiculous pressure in a very town like way. This BM wagon doesn't appear to have any grounding. It is a mindless vote on a lurker, the sort that usually hits town and is easy for scum to hop onto. If you are on that wagon please consider that there are definitely town lurkers and if you pick one at random you are likely to pick town. If somebody else picks a lurker and you support them then there is not only the chance that they will pick town by chance but the chance that they are scum and they are deliberately picking tow. Thirdly, The only reason to not vote for VisceraEyes is the following: You believe that he is telling the truth about his claim. If you believe that then you also have to believe that VisceraEyes would make that appalling move as the real town Jailkeeper. [UON]Sentinel: + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 22:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Ok. What the hell is a "non-cooperative Jailkeeper"? Coupled with trying to sway townies so much over the course of this thread, I feel no shame in voting VE. ##Unvote: ghost_403 ##Vote: VisceraEyes St. Dan is next on my list. As for Brood, his last post was fluff but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. VE(for completeness): + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 23:48 VisceraEyes wrote: K this game is no longer interesting to me. I'm not interested in defending myself. ##Unvote: Bill Murray ##Vote: VisceraEyes For anyone concerned about me "playing to my win-condition", D1 discussion is ruined and I can accept my part in that. Lynch me, flip me, and do what you will with the information. You'll win with it. And therefor, I'll win. I'm playing to my win-condition. gg As you read more and more, the only person voting VE with an actual case seems to be sloosh and layabout. Most people are voting him NOT because they think he is scum, but because his claim was bad. Or they think he is bad. We vote for people for SCUMMY actions! Bad town =/= scum. Is this really worth the risk of eliminating 1/3 of our blue roles on day 1? Can VE technically prove his claim? Yes. But its very difficult. He needs to have a successful protect. Or he needs to be tracked and confirmed. I personally do not think he is the scummiest player atm. If you do, for all means leave your vote on him. Do not keep your vote on him because he is bad or bad claim. All people that voted for him for that reason, explain in detail why he is more scummy than Marveoulosity or Riven? Layabout mentioned the high risk of the lynch but is still heavily supporting it: I really oppose it because I do not want us to lose 1/3 our blues on day 1, from sheeping and stupidity. It seems like this has gained the most sheeping. And people are taking the easy reasoning to vote VE. It seems suspicious to me, also most people are just ignoring and not commenting on the Riven case. Or they are not justifiying why VE is more suspicious than the other popular suspects. If you haven't done this, do it. Currently waiting on Rivens reply towards Gonzaws case on him. All this being said I will not be voting VE tonight, it seems like it will be between Riven or Marv. Clearly you haven't bothered to read my posts if you maintain that what you spoilered under me is the main reason I'm voting VE. What IS your exact reason for voting VE? All I see is VE wouldn't be this bad as a town JK. Lynch him. That's not a case. Bill Murray. I had no idea we had someone like this in the game. It's lyter v2! Ottox makes the case that VE wouldn't be bad like that, ergo scum. Derpderpderpderp. Don't think I missed anyone. I think it's clear that given the options, and my general disposition towards people who are absolutely useless I think this is an easy vote. ##vote Bill Murray I see absolutely NO REASON other than "VE is bad hurrdurr" to be voting VE over BM. I managed to find a way to get to a computer and I'm not even home. He could have done the same. Should just change the policy from lynch all lurkers to lynch idiots who sign up for mafia games and then don't do anything. | ||
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Risen
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On April 23 2012 06:53 PaqMan wrote: Risen is scum. + Show Spoiler + On April 21 2012 14:14 Risen wrote: He already pointed it out in his post voting for you. You're a little late. Posting from my phone I'll be home in a couple hours but it's a little late. Just read everything on my phone, though. Alright, cool, nothing really wrong with it. No real content and nothing that circulates discussion, but hey it's his first post. I'll give that to him. One thing to note is the bolded though. On April 22 2012 02:22 Risen wrote: Yeah I'm sorry. Just woke up. I'll get posting. Posting lots is pro-town and from what I've read I don't find anyone really all that scummy. I'd rather we put pressure on someone who isn't posting. I messed up last game with my pressure on ET so I'm not sure how to get everyone posting. From the last page I do have a problem with mementoss' idea. It seems solid but as you said on this page, all vigs would have to get on board. I don't like directing blues in the first place (i realize this game has special stuff going on, though, so I don't think forwarding the idea is scummy. I just don't think we should do it). Another problem with your plan mt is your directing of jailkeepers. By directing jk away from targets and the vigis you give scum a potential three kill night. They can kill the vig, another person, and then if the vigi target is town they get to laugh at us. To sum, don't direct blues. I think there's been enough discussion about it and with no clearly best plan there's no way to get everyone behind one plan. #1 - He posts this roughly 30 minutes after layabout's post. He coincidentally woke up when he name gets mentioned. I'll give him benefit of the doubt on this one #2 - posting lots is pro-town. But, you don't even have a full page of posts in your filter, even though D1 is a few hours from ending.#3 - posting lots is pro-town and from what I've read I don't find anyone really all that scummy. So what does that mean? Well he's doing what I was previously accusing Mattchew of, not taking a definite side. He's not making a solid opinion on anything. The rest of his post is fluffy. He gives his input on MT's plan and that's it. He doesn't establish any solid ground on any of the issues at hand. His only mention of scum is that "nobody looks scummy". On April 22 2012 02:28 Risen wrote: I don't get your reasoning mt or anyone else's voting for marvel. He's posting and it's very early day 1. There isn't that much to go off of so I don't think he's scummy. This part's important as he does end up voting marv with a very stupid reason. On April 22 2012 02:28 Risen wrote: I hatelurkers, they always fuck us and it isn't pro-town at all. I'd rather not lynch someone who's here day 1. And who does Risen end up voting for? Marv! Risen is full of shit. His only reason for voting marv is because marv voted for VE. But what about Bill Murray? Dude's lurking the entire D1 and votes for VE. Based on just this quote you would think that Risen votes BM but he jumps right in the wagon that BJ made and votes marv. On April 22 2012 02:28 Risen wrote: Posting is pro-town and I don't think we should be scaring people away from posting day 1 bc it just gives people an excuse to be worthless dafuq are you talking about? His next post is basically useless but the next 3 posts are is gold. On April 22 2012 02:58 Risen wrote: Oh, alright. I had read the vigi shot being refunded, but didn't apply that to them not shooting if they were killed. And wtf? Where the fuck do you get me targeting ANYONE right now? Do you see me voting any "lurkers"? Did I point any out? No. I didn't. Why didn't I? Because I know how early it is in the game. Take your useless shit somewhere else layabout. What's with the sudden freak out? All layabout does is make a little comment on you and you blow up. On April 22 2012 03:04 Risen wrote: I think you're making up bullshit to try and push an easy wagon on me. ##vote layabout I'm done for now. I'll change my vote if someone does something scummy but I don't see anything and I think someone trying to push a wagon at this point is our best bet. I'll vote for the hydra too. He immediately votes layabout all because of this little comment: + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 02:54 layabout wrote: Anybody feel like Risen is hustlin' us? Also take note of the bold. That's his only mention of BJ&BH. The next couple of posts are useless. So far he still hasn't contributed jack to Town and his posts are weak. UNTIL we get to this one: Why is he so defensive all of a sudden? He definitely is acting off. He's acting like he's guilty of something. He immediately proclaims himself as an easy wagon. But look where he ends up putting his most recent vote! On April 22 2012 03:56 Risen wrote: No. Why even bring that up? I'd call you scum if I thought you were scum. Scum aren't the only ones who jump on a stupid wagon. Lazy townies who don't feel like posting or playing jump on them and screw town too. Again he's acting way too overly-defensive. Chill out bro. On April 23 2012 04:27 Risen wrote: Hey folks. I'm not actually voting layabout. Just woke up, was out drinking last night. I'm going to be going through everyone's filters and I'll make a giant post containing my analysis. It has been two hours since and he still hasn't made his giant post. So far he's keeping up with the thread so I highly doubt he's even working on one. On April 23 2012 04:27 Risen wrote: Let me catch up on the thread, though. Why are there two votes on me? I assumed when layabout wasn't able to start the choo choo that train died. He's "surprised" he has votes on him and is still convinced that layabout's little comment was an attempt to start a wagon on him. It's been two hours since he woke up and that's plenty of time to read through the thread. Despite this, he still has not said a single thing on Gonzaw's case against him. He hasn't brought it up nor has he made a single mention of it. As of that^^ post he still has not given any solid opinions on who is scummy and who's not. Spoilered because I don't want to clutter my case >.> + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 05:33 Risen wrote: Honestly johnnywup is my biggest scumread atm Pac. I have no idea why he thinks forwarding another lynch candidate at the last second is a good idea, and it just shits up the thread. Do we take the case against him seriously? Do we try and organize everyone to swap their votes over to zeph even though no one else has mentioned zeph as a serious candidate thus far? We can't do that, we don't have the time. Okay, finally have an opinion. johnnyboy is your biggest scumread. On April 23 2012 05:33 Risen wrote: I know I was against it before, but I don't see how marvel could be pushing a lynch on VE right now. We can't lynch our claimed JK. It's been stated in the thread but I'll state it again. You don't lynch a claimed doctor, and we shouldn't lynch the closest thing we have to a doctor. Is it possible VE is lying? Yup. He might be lying and be a vigi, or a tracker, or scum, or vanilla. Doesn't matter. The only shitty thing is that the person who is jailed doesn't know they were jailed, so I don't know how to confirm his claim. Regardless, a vote on VE is stupid. It's just like everyone who voted for me when I claimed a guaranteed sane detective with a red check. Only an idiot would vote for said blue unless it was LYLO. It's applicable here. We can't lynch someone who claims such a powerful blue role right now. Is it a shitty claim? Yeah. I don't think it was smart, but we have to roll with it now that it's in the open. Any trackers watch him, I guess. I'm voting marvel. Pre-EBWOP I just looked at the voting thread prior to hitting post. What the hell is going on? How can you lynch a claimed blue? This is so stupid. If need be I'll vote BM b/c I'm all for lynching someone who's being useless, but for now my vote is resting on marvel. ##vote marvellosity He shits up the rest of this post with useless crap. But wait!! Despite johnnyboy having Risen's biggest scumread, Risen votes for marv?!?!?! Whyyyy??? Here's why: On April 23 2012 05:33 Risen wrote: I'm voting marvel. Pre-EBWOP I just looked at the voting thread prior to hitting post. What the hell is going on? How can you lynch a claimed blue? This is so stupid. If need be I'll vote BM b/c I'm all for lynching someone who's being useless, but for now my vote is resting on marvel. ##vote marvellosity He's voting marv because marv placed his vote on VE. I call complete bullshit on Risen. He put his vote on marv because marv is easy wagon #1. Sound familiar? We got you cornered mofo. If Town has enough sense to realize this then you're getting lynched today. No you twat. I'm not voting johnnywup because I'm not an idiot who thinks we can organize idiot townies like you onto him with so little time left. I'm forced to pick from a small pool of people who we can get votes on. I'm very intense, god... Don't know why I even came back to this. I'm just getting heated again and I'm going to get banned. | ||
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Risen
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On April 23 2012 07:07 PaqMan wrote: Risen your defense is full of shit and fails to explain your:
He is scum. Take note of the actions he's made so far and read through his entire filter, and you'll see how scummy this guy is. No one is going to pay attention to you. You're an idiot. WHAT WAGON DID I JUMP ON. I never even placed my vote on marv. Go look at the voting thread. derpderpderp, I'm hurrdurrPaq, I don't actually read anything, I just jump on Gonzaw's case, say I'm going to be away, but actually never leave when Risen comes to defend himself. | ||
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Now go quote me int he voting thread. Oh wait, you can't, because I never actually voted for him. Durr, le hurr, hur hurr | ||
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That's from the voting thread? Damn, I must have posted it in the wrong thr... oh wait. IS ISN'T | ||
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On April 23 2012 07:20 PaqMan wrote: oh hai your finally back from lunch. I assume you're going to go back to shitting up the thread with your half-assed claims? No one is this stupid. No matter who is lynched today I'm voting you. If you're town I hope you get your shit together next game. No one as dumb as you should even be allowed into TL Mafia. If I had to make a list of people I hate most, it would start with lurkers, and then right under it would be fools like you who tunnel someone and are too blind to anything else going on in the thread. One of you and gonzaw is scum. I think it's probably gonzaw because I don't think a scums teammates would let their team idiot jump on a case so hard when it's built of paper. | ||
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On April 23 2012 07:25 PaqMan wrote: Aww umad? Well if I'm wrong prove me wrong and shut down my case. What case... the one where you pretty much reiterate gonzaw's house of glass? Link me to your master case. I doubt anything I say to you will have any effect. You're tunneling so hard you don't know anything else going on in this thread. And the marvel/BJ nonsense needs to stop. Now. And I need to stop responding to you, because it's shitting up the thread just as much as that little spat is. | ||
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Why aren't we all on BM? He's done NOTHING. Why are people on the only blue claim we have still? GET OFF VE | ||
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No wai dude... that is liek crasi! If you actually were here reading the thread avoiding the shoutfest or whatever you would have seen that I was trying to be like wbg. Y u so dense dooder, u scum? Heeehuuuuuuuu. I'm inventing a Mafia dialect of english. It's called hurrdurrjubjub and it's used to communicate with bad townies. It's a work in progress. | ||
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On April 23 2012 07:45 Zephirdd wrote: Just for the record, im last minute voting VE in order to avoid a modkill; I dont recall any other candidate better than him either, although I kinda lost track since page 30 or so Is this for real? I can't even. WHAT? | ||
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On April 23 2012 00:17 Zephirdd wrote: God damnit layabout. I was about to post how VE's claim made sense and how he was town, but then you convince me the opposite. Geez. And this martyring post from VE only makes sense from two PoVs: - He really is a JK and he will let town use his flip information to deal with what happened during the day - He is scum trying to sound like that. Also, right now, I see no reason to lynch Bill Murray - he should be vigged, not lynched if he doesn't contribute soon. VE, what is your stance on gonzaw, especially after his series of (Seemingly) drunk posts? Also, please make the case against the certain scum you are talking about. Should you flip JK, we got something solid to work from. In fact, I'll take you are claiming scum if you don't do that. That last post combined with, oh I was totally thinking VE was town but layabout you changed my world view bro post is horrible.. There's no way we can get the votes on him today, I'm sorry johnny. I didn't believe you before, and I thought you were scummy. My bad, I dropped the ball. Push this guy tomorrow, push him hard. I'm being too belligerent right now and I need to cool off. | ||
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On April 23 2012 07:45 Zephirdd wrote: Just for the record, im last minute voting VE in order to avoid a modkill; I dont recall any other candidate better than him either, although I kinda lost track since page 30 or so | ||
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On April 23 2012 07:49 marvellosity wrote: Could you please update the OP with the deadline time, at the moment it still says TBD On April 23 2012 07:48 MidnightGladius wrote: Wait, when exactly is the deadline? Is it exactly 48 hours from the Day 1 post, ie ~1.5 hours from now? I'm envisioning scum in their IRC asking each other when the deadline is, not knowing and then coming into the thread and asking the question at the same time accidentally. | ||
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