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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 05 2012 00:25 GMT
#2483
On May 05 2012 09:20 marvellosity wrote:
You guys should be fucking ashamed of yourselves for believing matt's claim.

Seriously, that's fucking awful.

lol... you have no idea what your talking about.
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 05 2012 00:29 GMT
#2489
On May 05 2012 09:28 marvellosity wrote:
Just read the obsQT, I think no-one was in any doubt by about half an hour max after you claimed

read the obsQT your thoughts are completely blinded by the fact that bluelightz told you guys that sent was JK when sent claimed.

Also, if you can find 1 hole in my claim go ahead
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 05 2012 00:30 GMT
#2496
On May 05 2012 09:29 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 09:29 Mementoss wrote:
On May 05 2012 09:20 marvellosity wrote:
You guys should be fucking ashamed of yourselves for believing matt's claim.

Seriously, that's fucking awful.


You guys should be fucking ashamed of yourselves for not believing VE's claim

Seriously, that's fucking awful.


Except this one had a shit-ton of context surrounding it.

lol no, you suck for voting VE
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 05 2012 00:31 GMT
#2498
On May 05 2012 09:29 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 09:29 Mattchew wrote:
On May 05 2012 09:28 marvellosity wrote:
Just read the obsQT, I think no-one was in any doubt by about half an hour max after you claimed

read the obsQT your thoughts are completely blinded by the fact that bluelightz told you guys that sent was JK when sent claimed.

Also, if you can find 1 hole in my claim go ahead


Plenty were found in the obsQT

please quote and ill show you that you are wrong
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 05 2012 00:36 GMT
#2507
everything can be explained with how I explained it. If i was actually vig and i had shot risen, and he didn't die, I wouldn't claim that immediately, because as gonzaw said Risen couldn't possibly be stupid enough to last minute switch as scum if ottox/zeph were both town. This means ottox/risen's alignment would have had to be the same, or Risen is stupid. If I am watching someone that could be goon and takes away the last scum KP get lynched, then why would I claim. I keep town on a need to know basis as town.

You can argue that I shoulda/coulda/woulda shot earlier but thats just you putting your own thoughts into my head.
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 05 2012 00:39 GMT
#2512
The biggest problem with TL towns right now is not judging blue claims by the persons posting, people are judging blue claims by whether or not they would have played the role the same way. because someone plays diff than you doesnt make them scum.
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 05 2012 00:43 GMT
#2515
On May 05 2012 09:37 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 09:36 Mattchew wrote:
everything can be explained with how I explained it. If i was actually vig and i had shot risen, and he didn't die, I wouldn't claim that immediately, because as gonzaw said Risen couldn't possibly be stupid enough to last minute switch as scum if ottox/zeph were both town. This means ottox/risen's alignment would have had to be the same, or Risen is stupid. If I am watching someone that could be goon and takes away the last scum KP get lynched, then why would I claim. I keep town on a need to know basis as town.

You can argue that I shoulda/coulda/woulda shot earlier but thats just you putting your own thoughts into my head.


you would never shoot n3

-why because you would never shoot n3? It woulda either prevented a mislynch or provided the next 2 lynches.


for a whole bunch of reasons sentinel would never have claimed when he did if he was mafia

-Actually, if I was vig and had shot Risen and sent was scum his claim woulda been good scum play. it affords him town cred when ottox flips town and allows him to get the next day mislynch by holding KP and saying he jailed someone.


you would never as townie haev allowed ottoxlol lynch when you had 2 confirmed scum, no matter how much you thought he was scum

-wrong again... if I saw someone get last minute vote switch saved by scum, and wiggle out of a day 3 lynch, that would confirm them as scum to me.. I don't care how good you think you are at mafia, this would be the strongest "read" you would ever have

Everything points to it being fake

There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 05 2012 00:45 GMT
#2519
On May 05 2012 09:41 gonzaw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 09:36 Mattchew wrote:
everything can be explained with how I explained it. If i was actually vig and i had shot risen, and he didn't die, I wouldn't claim that immediately, because as gonzaw said Risen couldn't possibly be stupid enough to last minute switch as scum if ottox/zeph were both town. This means ottox/risen's alignment would have had to be the same, or Risen is stupid. If I am watching someone that could be goon and takes away the last scum KP get lynched, then why would I claim. I keep town on a need to know basis as town.

You can argue that I shoulda/coulda/woulda shot earlier but thats just you putting your own thoughts into my head.


Even if your claim "makes sense" if you were town, it also makes even more sense if you were mafia.
Also Sent's claim doesn't make sense if he was mafia (I've already explained the reasons in the obs QT), therefore he was town and you were not.

Also, I've said it before, but I had a feeling Risen made the last-minute switch to incriminate Ottox once he was lynched...
...not that he'd make the switch to gain more cred once Ottox was lynched. Still that was mindfucking.

I think in reality because it made sense as town people should have just been looking at filters to make their reads. I should have been called out for soft defending against a St. Daniel Lynch but that never happened. In reality I think it was terrible scum hunting that killed town more than anything.

also, risen's move was so stupid at the time, but worked out great
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-05 00:52:39
May 05 2012 00:48 GMT
#2526
On May 05 2012 09:44 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 09:43 Mattchew wrote:
On May 05 2012 09:37 marvellosity wrote:
On May 05 2012 09:36 Mattchew wrote:
everything can be explained with how I explained it. If i was actually vig and i had shot risen, and he didn't die, I wouldn't claim that immediately, because as gonzaw said Risen couldn't possibly be stupid enough to last minute switch as scum if ottox/zeph were both town. This means ottox/risen's alignment would have had to be the same, or Risen is stupid. If I am watching someone that could be goon and takes away the last scum KP get lynched, then why would I claim. I keep town on a need to know basis as town.

You can argue that I shoulda/coulda/woulda shot earlier but thats just you putting your own thoughts into my head.


you would never shoot n3

-why because you would never shoot n3? It woulda either prevented a mislynch or provided the next 2 lynches.


for a whole bunch of reasons sentinel would never have claimed when he did if he was mafia

-Actually, if I was vig and had shot Risen and sent was scum his claim woulda been good scum play. it affords him town cred when ottox flips town and allows him to get the next day mislynch by holding KP and saying he jailed someone.


you would never as townie haev allowed ottoxlol lynch when you had 2 confirmed scum, no matter how much you thought he was scum

-wrong again... if I saw someone get last minute vote switch saved by scum, and wiggle out of a day 3 lynch, that would confirm them as scum to me.. I don't care how good you think you are at mafia, this would be the strongest "read" you would ever have

Everything points to it being fake



you would've shot earlier if you really felt that about risen

gonzaw already explained

if i'm wrong on point 3 you're bad, strongest read is irrelevant when you have 100% confirmed scum


As town, I would assume that ottox was to be lynched day3 after a day2 last minute switch saved him. Ottox should have been lynched day3. I can't believe he wasn't. If I think someone is going to be lynched, why would I shoot them?

edit* in this setup lynching goon is way more important than lynching GF's. It wasn't lylo so lynching a 99.9% scum read that could be goon > 100% confirmed GF.... The GF's really just add a number to mafia, keeping them alive in this setup doesn't actually do too much negative to town
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 05 2012 00:49 GMT
#2528
I think the problem with TL towns is that they don't read the thread
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 05 2012 00:59 GMT
#2539
risen was the crux to my fake claim
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 05 2012 01:02 GMT
#2542
:3
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 05 2012 13:20 GMT
#2556
Bm
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 05 2012 15:48 GMT
#2560
If you compliment anything St. Daniels did you are killing ESPORTS tl mafia
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 05 2012 18:37 GMT
#2564
Lol he thought he could force a double lynch
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 06 2012 00:33 GMT
#2573
On May 06 2012 04:52 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2012 04:23 Zephirdd wrote:
lol even if it wasn't intended, the consequences of that play were excellent for him.


It was intended.

Sureeee ^^
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 06 2012 04:51 GMT
#2584
Gonzaw had me as confirmed town at the end of day 1 and his and paq's reasons for wanting to
Lynch me earlier d1 were super flimsy and bad (or they are gonna mislynch me as
Town in the future)... Until day 3 I played more protown than any townie
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 06 2012 21:16 GMT
#2587
Just kinda random people that were easy to read as town... I had a feeling mementoss was blue but it was more just people that were playing really obvi town
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 06 2012 21:21 GMT
#2588
On April 24 2012 09:39 gonzaw wrote:
Final thoughts:


Oh, and I don't think Mattchew is scum anymore, and I'd say you should treat these players as town:
-Paqman
-Mattchew
-layabout
-Janaan
-Mementoss
-Maybe ghost


Of course put them under scrutiny every once in a while (specially if they survive til late-game), but I don't want any of them lynched soon AT ALL.

Okay, I think that's all


Sorry I meant cycle 1
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 06 2012 21:27 GMT
#2589
Btw if I had never claimed vig and was forced to go mislynches only to win I probably woulda survived until it was only me sent (confirmed jailor) and someone else left(probably paq or Johnny)... After this it woulda been pretty up in the air but that woulda sucked and been sooo boring lol
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
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