On May 05 2012 09:20 marvellosity wrote:
You guys should be fucking ashamed of yourselves for believing matt's claim.

Seriously, that's fucking awful.

lol... you have no idea what your talking about.

Mattchew

United States5684 Posts

May 05 2012 00:29 GMT

#2489

On May 05 2012 09:28 marvellosity wrote:
Just read the obsQT, I think no-one was in any doubt by about half an hour max after you claimed

read the obsQT your thoughts are completely blinded by the fact that bluelightz told you guys that sent was JK when sent claimed.

Also, if you can find 1 hole in my claim go ahead

Mattchew

United States5684 Posts

May 05 2012 00:30 GMT

#2496

On May 05 2012 09:29 marvellosity wrote:

Show nested quote +

Except this one had a shit-ton of context surrounding it.

lol no, you suck for voting VE

Mattchew

United States5684 Posts

May 05 2012 00:31 GMT

#2498

On May 05 2012 09:29 marvellosity wrote:

Show nested quote +

Plenty were found in the obsQT

please quote and ill show you that you are wrong

Mattchew

United States5684 Posts

May 05 2012 00:36 GMT

#2507

everything can be explained with how I explained it. If i was actually vig and i had shot risen, and he didn't die, I wouldn't claim that immediately, because as gonzaw said Risen couldn't possibly be stupid enough to last minute switch as scum if ottox/zeph were both town. This means ottox/risen's alignment would have had to be the same, or Risen is stupid. If I am watching someone that could be goon and takes away the last scum KP get lynched, then why would I claim. I keep town on a need to know basis as town.

You can argue that I shoulda/coulda/woulda shot earlier but thats just you putting your own thoughts into my head.

Mattchew

United States5684 Posts

May 05 2012 00:39 GMT

#2512

The biggest problem with TL towns right now is not judging blue claims by the persons posting, people are judging blue claims by whether or not they would have played the role the same way. because someone plays diff than you doesnt make them scum.

Mattchew

United States5684 Posts

May 05 2012 00:43 GMT

#2515

On May 05 2012 09:37 marvellosity wrote:

Show nested quote +

you would never shoot n3

-why because you would never shoot n3? It woulda either prevented a mislynch or provided the next 2 lynches.

for a whole bunch of reasons sentinel would never have claimed when he did if he was mafia

-Actually, if I was vig and had shot Risen and sent was scum his claim woulda been good scum play. it affords him town cred when ottox flips town and allows him to get the next day mislynch by holding KP and saying he jailed someone.

you would never as townie haev allowed ottoxlol lynch when you had 2 confirmed scum, no matter how much you thought he was scum

-wrong again... if I saw someone get last minute vote switch saved by scum, and wiggle out of a day 3 lynch, that would confirm them as scum to me.. I don't care how good you think you are at mafia, this would be the strongest "read" you would ever have

Everything points to it being fake

Mattchew

United States5684 Posts

May 05 2012 00:45 GMT

#2519

On May 05 2012 09:41 gonzaw wrote:

Show nested quote +

Even if your claim "makes sense" if you were town, it also makes even more sense if you were mafia.
Also Sent's claim doesn't make sense if he was mafia (I've already explained the reasons in the obs QT), therefore he was town and you were not.

Also, I've said it before, but I had a feeling Risen made the last-minute switch to incriminate Ottox once he was lynched...
...not that he'd make the switch to gain more cred once Ottox was lynched. Still that was mindfucking.

I think in reality because it made sense as town people should have just been looking at filters to make their reads. I should have been called out for soft defending against a St. Daniel Lynch but that never happened. In reality I think it was terrible scum hunting that killed town more than anything.

also, risen's move was so stupid at the time, but worked out great

Mattchew

United States5684 Posts

May 05 2012 00:48 GMT

#2526

On May 05 2012 09:44 marvellosity wrote:

Show nested quote +

you would've shot earlier if you really felt that about risen

gonzaw already explained

if i'm wrong on point 3 you're bad, strongest read is irrelevant when you have 100% confirmed scum

As town, I would assume that ottox was to be lynched day3 after a day2 last minute switch saved him. Ottox should have been lynched day3. I can't believe he wasn't. If I think someone is going to be lynched, why would I shoot them?

edit* in this setup lynching goon is way more important than lynching GF's. It wasn't lylo so lynching a 99.9% scum read that could be goon > 100% confirmed GF.... The GF's really just add a number to mafia, keeping them alive in this setup doesn't actually do too much negative to town

Mattchew

United States5684 Posts

May 05 2012 00:49 GMT

#2528

I think the problem with TL towns is that they don't read the thread

Mattchew

United States5684 Posts

May 05 2012 00:59 GMT

#2539

risen was the crux to my fake claim

Mattchew

United States5684 Posts

May 05 2012 01:02 GMT

#2542

Mattchew

United States5684 Posts

May 05 2012 13:20 GMT

#2556

Mattchew

United States5684 Posts

May 05 2012 15:48 GMT

#2560

If you compliment anything St. Daniels did you are killing ~~ESPORTS~~ tl mafia

Mattchew

United States5684 Posts

May 05 2012 18:37 GMT

#2564

Lol he thought he could force a double lynch

Mattchew

United States5684 Posts

May 06 2012 00:33 GMT

#2573

On May 06 2012 04:52 Risen wrote:

Show nested quote +

It was intended.

Sureeee ^^

Mattchew

United States5684 Posts

May 06 2012 04:51 GMT

#2584

Gonzaw had me as confirmed town at the end of day 1 and his and paq's reasons for wanting to
Lynch me earlier d1 were super flimsy and bad (or they are gonna mislynch me as
Town in the future)... Until day 3 I played more protown than any townie

Mattchew

United States5684 Posts

May 06 2012 21:16 GMT

#2587

Just kinda random people that were easy to read as town... I had a feeling mementoss was blue but it was more just people that were playing really obvi town

Mattchew

United States5684 Posts

May 06 2012 21:21 GMT

#2588

On April 24 2012 09:39 gonzaw wrote:

Final thoughts:

Oh, and I don't think Mattchew is scum anymore, and I'd say you should treat these players as town:
-Paqman
-Mattchew
-layabout
-Janaan
-Mementoss
-Maybe ghost

Of course put them under scrutiny every once in a while (specially if they survive til late-game), but I don't want any of them lynched soon AT ALL.

Okay, I think that's all

Sorry I meant cycle 1

Mattchew

United States5684 Posts

May 06 2012 21:27 GMT

#2589

Btw if I had never claimed vig and was forced to go mislynches only to win I probably woulda survived until it was only me sent (confirmed jailor) and someone else left(probably paq or Johnny)... After this it woulda been pretty up in the air but that woulda sucked and been sooo boring lol