TL Mafia 'Area' LIII - Page 14

Mattchew

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May 03 2012 20:03 GMT

#2310

Why else would they fake jail him... I guess he COULD be scum but that would mean their whole team sent/risen/bm would be involved in this and that doesn't seem like it's very logical... I think logically sent's fake claim means bm is town

Mattchew

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May 04 2012 03:09 GMT

#2366

On my phone I'll post later

Mattchew

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May 04 2012 04:18 GMT

#2378

On May 04 2012 12:36 johnnywup wrote:
are you really making a case based around psychology?

this is super ironic considering your reasoning for your vote on BM

I just got home from the devils game, I am not 100% sober. Ask me anything. Remember that time that Sent said that he's ok with a Risen lynch? If you believe him, he is OK with lynching someone he does not know to be scum. A town jailkeeper that "blocked" the KP would be pushing BM and only BM. This is why I have said that the choice is between BM and Sent for today's lynch.

Mattchew

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May 04 2012 04:26 GMT

#2379

EBWOP: *would be pushing BM or me and only BM or me*

Mattchew

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May 04 2012 04:50 GMT

#2381

On May 04 2012 13:44 johnnywup wrote:
I'm relooking into my other 2 scum but I'm pretty confident in Ghost scum.

ghost_403

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Before I get into the actual case, I'd like to address something. Ghost supported lynching a lot of people that flipped Green. But it's not only that. He consistently either says BM or St.Daniel are bad lynches, or avoids talking about them altogether.

On April 23 2012 01:28 ghost_403 wrote:
I think a BM lynch is a terrible idea (vig shout would be fine though). I don't think I've ever seen a case where a ninja vote was due to someone being scum. There's too much risk and no reward for scum in this situation. I think he's just insane.

I really don't like the fact that Sentinel immediately jumped on the lynch BM bandwagon. Trying to lynch insane players is scummy in my book. Same goes for you Mattchew. Why would scum even try to ninja vote? It makes way more sense to sheep instead. No one would have thought twice if BM had shown up in thread and said "lol VE scum ##vote VE".

VE's claim is bad. He's doing the same thing that he did in TLM LI in claiming when there's no reason to. I can't imagine scum VE doing the same thing twice, but now we're into WIFOM territory. In addition, JK is the only nonconfirmable role in the game. A vig shot shows up in the day post, and a tracker can confirm where someone went that night. It only makes sense that scum VE would claim JK.

On April 23 2012 02:17 ghost_403 wrote:
@mattchew: But hes cahrazy, don't vote him.

Bill Murray is playing a game that's insane, but he's doing it over there and leaving the town alone. VE is playing a game that's insane, but he's doing it in such a way that the town cannot function efficiently. Disruptive insane play is far more lynch worthy than weird incomprehensible im-gonna-do-whatever-the-fuck-i-want play.

@paqman: If a vig shoots BM and he doesn't die, it makes sense that the vig would claim it in thread. A jail keeper would be forced to admit to jailing BM in thread, but I can't see that happening. If the vig claim is true, we lynch BM and he flips GF. If it's not, BM flips town, and the next day we lynch the counterclaiming scum. Win-win.

On April 24 2012 21:05 ghost_403 wrote:
Haha, chainsaw defense. I've been giving Ottoxlol a noob pass since Day 1, but perhaps BJ is right. I'd be down with a Ottoxlol lynch.

The other thing that I don't like about Ottoxlol is the fact that he's not hunting scum at all. If you take a look through his filter, his suggestions for lynches are all lurkers. There's 50 pages in this thread, and he can't find any scum who are posting? I assumed it was due to the fact that he's a newb, but newbs roll scum too.

@ottoxlol: If you don't want me to try and get you lynched today, start hunting some scum. You want to suggest someone who isn't lurking and/or insane?

On April 24 2012 23:29 ghost_403 wrote:
StDaniel is en route to being modkilled. If he comes back and does nothing, I will discuss him as a possible lynch candidate. Since he's not even playing, there's no point in pushing for his lynch.

@marv: Ottoxlol's posting history shows him posting outside the TLMafia subforum, so I'm leaning newbie on him. However, some of the stuff that I've seen him do in thread has made me think he's "newbie scum" as opposed to "newbie town". BJ's (lol) case addresses some of that. I really need to work on reading newbie towns, so that is something I think I would like to work on.

On April 28 2012 00:56 ghost_403 wrote:
Hey guys, let's lynch Ottoxlol.

##vote ottoxlol

On April 30 2012 02:16 ghost_403 wrote:
This post ended up orders of magnitudes longer than I intended. I have no idea how Ottoxlol has gotten away with being so scummy in this game for so long. Spoilers for your convenience and easy referencing.

(1) His content is almost completely filler.
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First of all, I would like to address the glaring fact that his filter has nothing of content in it. 7 pages. 7 pages, and I have almost nothing to say about them. They are mostly one liners and him giving excuses for everything that he does. It would be so much easier to prove that he was scum if he would just do something, anything. Unfortunately for him, at this point his lack of content now paints him as scum. 7 pages, and no content? Scum trying to pass off as useful without actually helping the town.

(2) He almost completely ignores St.Daniels throughout the entire game.
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It's interesting that now he claims that I soft defended StDaniels. It's the fourth time this game he's mentioned him. When were the first three?

[Day 1] St.Daniel one post, + Show Spoiler + Loved that part, i feel like only scum would have drawn that way, if VE and [UoN]Sentinel can defend themselves I will vote him.
[Day 2] Lot of people suggested Sent/Zeph, marv posted about Brood and St. Daniel.
[Day 2] BK started posting some weird stuff, hes voting St. Daniel for ninjavoting, but BM ninjavoted d1 too and he did not mention it at all.

I'm soft defending him by stating that I'm ignoring someone en route to being modkilled? No, I'm not going to even discuss someone who's not playing. It's a waste of time. What's your excuse for ignoring him literally the entire game?

(3) He makes stupidly scummy posts.
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On April 25 2012 00:57 Ottoxlol wrote:
Ok, post it when you got it drawn. I feel like the pressure is on me because I did not make any useful post d2, and i feel its really unfair when no one really did so.

I am thinking on the line of who should we lynch that gives us info. VE wagon seemed like a good start to look at, I made 3 pairs who seems to defend each other/attack the same persons. If we lynch anyone from that we can get information about the other half of the pair.

This post is so scummy that any veteran player would have been immediately lynched. I was pretty happy to give him the n00b pass, but I don't think that's a good idea. In this post,

he gives himself an excuse for not contributing to the town
claims that everyone else in the town is useless
advocates lynching into the VE bandwagon "for information" without indicating who on the bandwagon is scummy
claims that lynching one half of a pair will somehow magically reveal the alignment of the other half

How gloriously scummy.

On April 26 2012 05:21 Ottoxlol wrote:

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##unvote:johnnywup

How did we get here?

On April 25 2012 08:03 Ottoxlol wrote:
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johnnywup

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I missed this case before, I think a couple of ppl too because no one really talked about this. I am feeling confident voting for johnny.

##Vote: johnnywup

You think Johnny is kinda sorta maybe sheeping because he doesn't give out any strong reads one way or the other (which is, ironically, the same thing that you're doing), and therefore he's scum. So what made you change your mind?

On April 26 2012 05:29 Ottoxlol wrote:
Because if he would be scum he wouldn't try to sway ppl from my vote (if zeph or sent is scum).

Johnny was sheeping away from you. Hey, isn't that why you wanted to lynch him in the first place?

On April 26 2012 05:33 Ottoxlol wrote:
My vote was wasted on him anyways because no one is voting for him. Since I am the vote leader atm, I have to vote for the 2nd guy, even if I feel like someone is more likely to be scum.

"Don't blame me if the guy we flip isn't scum, because I'm just voting for not-me." This is such a terribly scummy post, it's not even funny. Mafia pro-tip: vote to lynch scum.

(4) He has completely sheeped on the last two lynches.
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This segues nicely into my next problem with Ottoxlol: His voting patterns.

Day 1: VisceraEyes
Day 2: Zephridd
Day 3: MidnightGladius

But why he voted the way he did was much more interesting.

His reasons for voting VE have been beaten to death, so I'm not going to discuss it too much here.

For voting Zeph:

On April 26 2012 07:25 Ottoxlol wrote:
I have to

##vote Zephirdd

The Risen case is weak in my opinion, I can understand that points 1 and 4 can be suspicious but 2-3 doesnt seem scummy to me. He tried to defend VE, but not with the best tools, he tried to defend himself but not with the best tools.

But wait! That doesn't say anything about why he's voting Zeph! You are an astute reader! I can't find it. Ottoxlol has no reason to vote Zeph, other than to sheep with the town.

For voting MG:

On April 28 2012 07:19 Ottoxlol wrote:
BM on MG
also this post

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I have no idea why would anyone trust you because you say so. Excuses also doesnt help the scumhunt, I think no one cares about food poisoning or cat funerals.

##vote MidnightGladius

BK started posting some weird stuff, hes voting St. Daniel for ninjavoting, but BM ninjavoted d1 too and he did not mention it at all.
ghost and Sentinel doesnt want to engage in the debate of other possibilities then I am a scum. no one can be 100% sure so the discussion must be on even if they vote me, so when I flip green we will have information

Another sheeping! "Here's someone else's case I found moderately compelling, and here's something that is kinda scummy." Well, MG flipped green and he's right. We found scum pushing for his lynch today.

Frankly, it's embarassing that the town has let Ottoxlol live this long in the game. As soon as tomorrow hits, I'm voting to lynch him for the third day in a row, and I hope this time, we can get a sucessful lynch and get this scum out of the game.

On April 30 2012 10:56 ghost_403 wrote:
##vote ottoxlol

I buy Sentinel's claim, lest someone else would like to counterclaim. Too bad, I was sure ottoxlol was a goon. This means I have to reconsider the whole Risen conspiracy

It was such an elegant plan.

I'll rephrase all this: "Anyone down for lynching Townies and not lynching BM or St.Daniel?"

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Now, onto to the actual case. First, a trip down memory lane, where we have ghost's response to my previous case. I dismissed it as a good defense, but after the ottox lynch it makes him look even scummier than before.
Since it's not a bus, pushing ottox so hard makes sense as scum. It's not "constantly bussing your scum mate for a week non stop to gain towncred", it's simply "lynching a townie". If Ottox did indeed flip scum, this would make ghost look a lot more townie. But now, it's looking likely once again for Ghost being scum.

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On May 01 2012 23:45 ghost_403 wrote:
Okay, so let's see what terrible things people have been saying about me.

For reference, the case by johnnywup and the case by BroodKingEXE.

Johnny's case against me boils down to four points.

Soft defending BM and attacking VE
Kinda-sorta-almost-not really flipflopping on Risen
Bad case on Sentinel
Claiming I'm bussing Ottoxlol

All of these points are easily addressed.

I have a history of defending insane players. (For reference, Aperture mafia and TL LI, soon to be added to my profile. Gotta use that thing for something.) Insane players are statistically not scum, and I see people who push for lynching insane players as scummy. They make the perfect target for the scum to push a mislynch. The perfect example of this is Zealos in TL LI. On Day 2, I asked him who he wanted to lynch. His reply was Kenpachi because he's nuts. That's not scum hunting, and a huge tell that he's not actually looking for scum. (Zealos ended up flipping scum.) However, I almost always advocate vig'ing these players. They are not helping the town, and area huge liability later on in the game, and very dangerous if they are in fact scum. See Bill Murray this game.

As far as attacking VE, I stand by it. VE played exceptionally poorly this game, and deserved to be lynched for what he did. It's regrettable that he flipped blue, but I stand by my decision. If you are playing scummy, I am going to vote to lynch you.
Here is the post that JW referenced. Here is why I started considering a Risen lynch. What was going on was Risen was claiming that he was against a Marv lynch, while he actually said (in this thread) that he was going to vote for him. His defense was that he didn't actually vote in the voting thread, and somehow this abdicates his responsibility in this situation. In my book, this ranks as scummy-as-hell, and that's why I was considering a Risen lynch. I had forgotten about that incident, thanks for bringing it up. We should lynch Risen tomorrow, after Ottoxlol flips red.
On Day 1, I wrote a subpar case on a lurking player who had been acting scummy. I regret nothing. Sentinel's play has improved since then, perhaps because I called him out. If Sentinel had continued to do the same thing, that subpar case would have been an excellent starting point for pursuing a lynch.
Your theory is that I've been bussing my scummate for a week now, non stop, to gain towncred? Well, stranger things have happened. Assuming we both were scum, I think that doing that would be suboptimal at best, but there's really no way to prove that until after we both flip. However, I would like to point out that I have been probably the loudest voice for lynching Ottoxlol for the last week, and I think quite a few people would agree that my case against him is what finally pushed the town over the edge. If I was scum, that sounds like a foolish thing to do.
Numbah 5, because I love you guys so much <3

My "marv, flip town" post was a direct response to the fact that blzinghand promised to eat his hat should Marv flip town. I have yet to see blzinghand eat his hat. If I were iGrok, I would revive him, then modkill him again for failing to eat his hat.

Now, I'm assuming you've read my previous case. Now we can continue on that case from where we left off.

On May 02 2012 10:04 ghost_403 wrote:
Well, I wish you had come up with a better reason for not lynching him than "My gut tells me this is wrong." Maybe then we could have avoided it for the third day in a row.

Previous to this, he was criticizing me for having a town(ish) read on Ottox, who flipped town. He then attempts to brush this off as "I wish you made better cases". As if you made any good ones either Ghost.

On May 03 2012 23:19 ghost_403 wrote:
I'm more inclined to believe Mattchew over Sentinel at this point. Looking back through his filter, he was pushing for, or at least suggesting, a StDaniels lynch through most of the game. I can't see scum pushing to lynch their KP for towncred.

In addition to that, Risen has been playing scummy as fuck all game long. I doubt I could find a single page in his filter where he doesn't say something that doesn't make him look like either a terrible townie or scum. Mattchew's claim is consistent with my read on Risen.

The decrease in scumminess that I saw from Sentinel was mostly due to him actually being moderately aggressive in pushing for an Ottoxlol lynch. Now that we know that Ottoxlol was a townie, this can very easily be attributed to scum being called out and forced to do something in the game.

I would propose lynching Risen first, and taking it from there.

@mattchew: That's the worst breadcrumb I've ever seen.

If you think Mattchew is telling the truth, you lynch Sentinel. The only reason you wouldn't is if you think the person you're voting for is goon, which he is not if you believe Matt's claim. Not to mention suggesting st.daniels is scum is scummy. Actually pushing it is townie. Matt suggested it, making it look like he was scumhunting. But that will come later with the Mattchew Case. And as I've pointed out, Matt didn't actually push Risen until quite a bit after he "shot Risen".

On May 04 2012 07:54 ghost_403 wrote:
@paqman: I fully support this, and honestly, I need another couple of days to figure out which one of them is town. Sent's town game has been lackluster and scummy the whole time. Mattchew spends a lot of time advising the vig to shoot, which is thinking outloud if you believe his claim. I dunno what to make of it, but I think Risen is obviously scummy, and would be very happy with that lynch.

We have Sent 'jail' BM again, which regardless of his claim leaves us in a pretty good location.
I think lynching Risen is the best option.

Sent, Mattchew, does this sound like a decent compromise to you both?

Also, we need everyone in the town in on this, or the scum are just going to ninja vote this away from us.

Do you actually think we have a few days? We are at LyLO. That means if we mislynch we lose. We can't afford compromises in LyLO. You're asking for all towns votes on neither Sent nor Matt. As far as I'm concerned, if we lynch today we should have a 50% chance at least. Asking for a smaller chance (as town) doesn't make sense. If you know Risen is town, it makes sense though.

On May 04 2012 08:14 ghost_403 wrote:
I've had a scum read on you all game, Risen. Don't believe me? Check my filter. Today, I am voting to lynch scum. As a bonus, it gives me more time to figure out which one of them is lying.

The reason that I want a compromise is this. This is lylo, which means that if the town doesn't work together, it loses. I want a compromise so that the scum agree to work with us, and can't screw up our lynch at the last possible moment.

Also, you're right. That post looks scummy as fuck. Don't blame you for pointing that out.

as pointed out, lol. that's basically a scum claim imo. i hate scum claims but really? Saying "oh yeah that post was scummy, sorry bout that!" isn't townie. That's scum trying to cover up their mistakes. Town would say their mindset in saying those things, scum wouldn't.

On May 04 2012 08:42 ghost_403 wrote:
What I find most interesting is the fact that Risen isn't really pushing us to lynch either Sentinel or Mattchew. If he was really town, wouldn't he say "You two are stupid, obviously this one is scum"? After all, lynching a town Risen would lose the town the game. We have to get this lynch right, and Risen's not helping us do that.

You aren't pushing either Sent or Matt either....

All this boils down to Ghost lynching every possible town and he is trying to lynch one now. Guess who he's voting now? Risen.

PS we're at mylo, not lylo, so why don't we no-lynch? we'll have a smaller pool of players to choose scum from and it gives sent another chance to prove his claim true

I can get down with a no lynch but I would bet almost everything that scum would hold their kill again leaving us in the exact same spot tomorrow

Mattchew

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May 04 2012 04:55 GMT

#2383

On May 04 2012 13:53 johnnywup wrote:
then we keep doing that until we have enough information to make an extremely well informed lynch, if scum keeps holding their lynch/being blocked.

also i'd like sent to jail someone other than BM, assuming your claim is true, and don't tell anyone until the day post.

so yeah, i'm down w/ a no-lynch

##unvote
##vote no-lynch

so you want sent to set up a diff townie to be mislynched?

this is a bad strategy

Mattchew

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May 04 2012 05:03 GMT

#2385

sent is fake claiming, he can fake claim he jailed another person and then have scum hold kp. also forgot that he can have his goon (which could very well be him) kill and him say he jailed someone other than BM.

Literally you learn nothing from wanting to see what sent does. I am down with a no-lynch to extend the conversation... in reality a no-lynch affords us no new info

Mattchew

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May 04 2012 05:04 GMT

#2386

actually a no lynch is riskier than a decision today. scum can kill a townie and then blame BM again with sent saying "i didn't jail BM" after the night.... putting us in even worse a situation

Mattchew

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May 04 2012 05:07 GMT

#2387

in conclusion, a no-lynch would put us in the same or worse situation, therefore a no-lynch is a bad idea

Mattchew

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May 04 2012 05:16 GMT

#2389

its probably the alcohol.. go devils!

i am going to sleep

be back tommorrow

Mattchew

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May 04 2012 15:59 GMT

#2396

ghost i was scum in werewolves2 and lxiv (the 80 person game)

Mattchew

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May 04 2012 19:50 GMT

#2401

i am around for the next 2 hours. Then I will be playing basketball.

I will try to get home before the deadline, but I can't make any promises. Any questions you want me to answer, now would be the time

Mattchew

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May 04 2012 20:09 GMT

#2406

lol you guys look like scum teammates talking to each other

Mattchew

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May 04 2012 20:39 GMT

#2410

You realize how easy it is to breadcrumb, and then use it to counterclaim or not use it at all?

this game has a shade of similarity to im a cop you idiot, because the set number of blues makes a scum counterclaim seemingly inevitable

Mattchew

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May 04 2012 20:50 GMT

#2412

On May 05 2012 05:48 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:

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My breadcrumbs are a work of art

The mere fact you know this shows that they are meaningless towards alignment.

Votes should be based on content of play, not on breadcrumbs

Ghost you said you were pouring over the filters, and your only reason ends up being breadcrumbs.

Thats weird

Mattchew

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May 04 2012 21:33 GMT

#2418

On May 05 2012 06:12 ghost_403 wrote:

In this game, there was really only one thing that stood out in Mattchew's filter. That fact was the fact that he spent a lot of the first two or three days directing the vigilante. If he really was the vig, why didn't he shoot earlier? He tells the town plenty of people to shoot, but never does until Night 3. He shot Risen for the scummy behavior that happend Day 2, no less. The wait here is also curious.

I treated me being a vig in this game as if I was a 1 shot detective, because even if I hit scum, there was only a 50% chance of actually killing them. This is why I waited on using my shot, and also if mementoss was a JK and I shot who he jailed that would screw up everything as well. My reason for shooting risen was to (in my mind) confirm 2 players, (ottox and risen) as either scum or town. Turns out I played like an idiot and figured Risen being scum = Ottox being scum. Also, I waited on claiming because ottox was being lynched and my claim would just support this lynch. I wanted to make scum uncomfortable knowing that someone had shot Risen and them needing to act on this.

Sent's roleclaim is actually really smart cause he can say that he jailed ottox, and then get town cred for ottox not flipping goon (or scum at all). I think I actually found some Risen breadcrumbing Vig, and I would bet the third member breadcrumbed something as well (maybe tracker or jk too).

What could be Risen breadcrumbs
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On April 23 2012 07:09 Risen wrote:

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On April 23 2012 06:53 PaqMan wrote:
Risen is scum.

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On April 21 2012 14:14 Risen wrote:

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He already pointed it out in his post voting for you. You're a little late. Posting from my phone I'll be home in a couple hours but it's a little late. Just read everything on my phone, though.

Alright, cool, nothing really wrong with it. No real content and nothing that circulates discussion, but hey it's his first post. I'll give that to him.
One thing to note is the bolded though.

On April 22 2012 02:22 Risen wrote:

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Yeah I'm sorry. Just woke up. I'll get posting. Posting lots is pro-town and from what I've read I don't find anyone really all that scummy. I'd rather we put pressure on someone who isn't posting. I messed up last game with my pressure on ET so I'm not sure how to get everyone posting. From the last page I do have a problem with mementoss' idea. It seems solid but as you said on this page, all vigs would have to get on board. I don't like directing blues in the first place (i realize this game has special stuff going on, though, so I don't think forwarding the idea is scummy. I just don't think we should do it). Another problem with your plan mt is your directing of jailkeepers. By directing jk away from targets and the vigis you give scum a potential three kill night. They can kill the vig, another person, and then if the vigi target is town they get to laugh at us.

To sum, don't direct blues. I think there's been enough discussion about it and with no clearly best plan there's no way to get everyone behind one plan.

#1 - He posts this roughly 30 minutes after layabout's post. He coincidentally woke up when he name gets mentioned. I'll give him benefit of the doubt on this one

#2 -

posting lots is pro-town.

But, you don't even have a full page of posts in your filter, even though D1 is a few hours from ending.

#3 -

posting lots is pro-town and from what I've read I don't find anyone really all that scummy.

So what does that mean? Well he's doing what I was previously accusing Mattchew of, not taking a definite side. He's not making a solid opinion on anything.

The rest of his post is fluffy. He gives his input on MT's plan and that's it. He doesn't establish any solid ground on any of the issues at hand. His only mention of scum is that "nobody looks scummy".

On April 22 2012 02:28 Risen wrote:
I don't get your reasoning mt or anyone else's voting for marvel. He's posting and it's very early day 1. There isn't that much to go off of so I don't think he's scummy.

This part's important as he does end up voting marv with a very stupid reason.

On April 22 2012 02:28 Risen wrote:
I hatelurkers, they always fuck us and it isn't pro-town at all. I'd rather not lynch someone who's here day 1.

And who does Risen end up voting for? Marv!
Risen is full of shit. His only reason for voting marv is because marv voted for VE. But what about Bill Murray? Dude's lurking the entire D1 and votes for VE. Based on just this quote you would think that Risen votes BM but he jumps right in the wagon that BJ made and votes marv.

On April 22 2012 02:28 Risen wrote:
Posting is pro-town and I don't think we should be scaring people away from posting day 1 bc it just gives people an excuse to be worthless

dafuq are you talking about?

His next post is basically useless but the next 3 posts are is gold.

On April 22 2012 02:58 Risen wrote:
Oh, alright. I had read the vigi shot being refunded, but didn't apply that to them not shooting if they were killed.

And wtf? Where the fuck do you get me targeting ANYONE right now? Do you see me voting any "lurkers"? Did I point any out? No. I didn't. Why didn't I? Because I know how early it is in the game. Take your useless shit somewhere else layabout.

What's with the sudden freak out? All layabout does is make a little comment on you and you blow up.

On April 22 2012 03:04 Risen wrote:

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I think you're making up bullshit to try and push an easy wagon on me.

##vote layabout

I'm done for now. I'll change my vote if someone does something scummy but I don't see anything and I think someone trying to push a wagon at this point is our best bet. I'll vote for the hydra too.

He immediately votes layabout all because of this little comment:
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On April 22 2012 02:54 layabout wrote:
Anybody feel like Risen is hustlin' us?

Also take note of the bold. That's his only mention of BJ&BH.

The next couple of posts are useless. So far he still hasn't contributed jack to Town and his posts are weak.
UNTIL
we get to this one:

On April 22 2012 03:39 Risen wrote:

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Oh hey look, easy wagon member #1

Why is he so defensive all of a sudden? He definitely is acting off. He's acting like he's guilty of something. He immediately proclaims himself as an easy wagon. But look where he ends up putting his most recent vote!

On April 22 2012 03:56 Risen wrote:

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No. Why even bring that up? I'd call you scum if I thought you were scum. Scum aren't the only ones who jump on a stupid wagon. Lazy townies who don't feel like posting or playing jump on them and screw town too.

Again he's acting way too overly-defensive. Chill out bro.

On April 23 2012 04:27 Risen wrote:
Hey folks. I'm not actually voting layabout. Just woke up, was out drinking last night. I'm going to be going through everyone's filters and I'll make a giant post containing my analysis.

It has been two hours since and he still hasn't made his giant post. So far he's keeping up with the thread so I highly doubt he's even working on one.

On April 23 2012 04:27 Risen wrote:
Let me catch up on the thread, though. Why are there two votes on me? I assumed when layabout wasn't able to start the choo choo that train died.

He's "surprised" he has votes on him and is still convinced that layabout's little comment was an attempt to start a wagon on him. It's been two hours since he woke up and that's plenty of time to read through the thread. Despite this, he still has not said a single thing on Gonzaw's case against him. He hasn't brought it up nor has he made a single mention of it.
As of that^^ post he still has not given any solid opinions on who is scummy and who's not.

Spoilered because I don't want to clutter my case >.>

+ Show Spoiler +

On April 23 2012 05:33 Risen wrote:
Honestly johnnywup is my biggest scumread atm Pac. I have no idea why he thinks forwarding another lynch candidate at the last second is a good idea, and it just shits up the thread. Do we take the case against him seriously? Do we try and organize everyone to swap their votes over to zeph even though no one else has mentioned zeph as a serious candidate thus far? We can't do that, we don't have the time.

Okay, finally have an opinion. johnnyboy is your biggest scumread.

On April 23 2012 05:33 Risen wrote:
I know I was against it before, but I don't see how marvel could be pushing a lynch on VE right now. We can't lynch our claimed JK. It's been stated in the thread but I'll state it again. You don't lynch a claimed doctor, and we shouldn't lynch the closest thing we have to a doctor. Is it possible VE is lying? Yup. He might be lying and be a vigi, or a tracker, or scum, or vanilla. Doesn't matter. The only shitty thing is that the person who is jailed doesn't know they were jailed, so I don't know how to confirm his claim.

Regardless, a vote on VE is stupid. It's just like everyone who voted for me when I claimed a guaranteed sane detective with a red check. Only an idiot would vote for said blue unless it was LYLO. It's applicable here. We can't lynch someone who claims such a powerful blue role right now. Is it a shitty claim? Yeah. I don't think it was smart, but we have to roll with it now that it's in the open. Any trackers watch him, I guess.

I'm voting marvel. Pre-EBWOP I just looked at the voting thread prior to hitting post. What the hell is going on? How can you lynch a claimed blue? This is so stupid. If need be I'll vote BM b/c I'm all for lynching someone who's being useless, but for now my vote is resting on marvel.

##vote marvellosity

He shits up the rest of this post with useless crap.
But wait!!
Despite johnnyboy having Risen's biggest scumread, Risen votes for marv?!?!?! Whyyyy???
Here's why:

On April 23 2012 05:33 Risen wrote:
I'm voting marvel. Pre-EBWOP I just looked at the voting thread prior to hitting post. What the hell is going on? How can you lynch a claimed blue? This is so stupid. If need be I'll vote BM b/c I'm all for lynching someone who's being useless, but for now my vote is resting on marvel.
##vote marvellosity

He's voting marv because marv placed his vote on VE.
I call complete bullshit on Risen. He put his vote on marv because marv is easy wagon #1.
Sound familiar?

We got you cornered mofo. If Town has enough sense to realize this then you're getting lynched today.

No you twat. I'm not voting johnnywup because I'm not an idiot who thinks we can organize idiot townies like you onto him with so little time left. I'm forced to pick from a small pool of people who we can get votes on.

I'm very intense, god... Don't know why I even came back to this. I'm just getting heated again and I'm going to get banned.

and

On April 26 2012 07:58 Risen wrote:
EBWOP: See the deadline is in an hour. How many people do we really have that can vote right now? I just noticed stdaniel's ninja vote. I'm trying to figure out if he just quit the game and is doing the bare minimum to avoid modkill or he's just being lurker scum. To me it almost doesn't matter, though.

I mean, very ill great... but he doesn't sound like he's ill anymore.

I can't stand lurkers and I'm 100% willing to lynch him tomorrow. They're useless and we can't afford people lurking at this point. This applies to BKExe as well, though he didn't lurk vote so +1 for you big guy. If by day 3 your filter isn't filling 2 pages something is wrong.

Mattchew

United States5684 Posts

May 04 2012 21:50 GMT

#2420

Going to basketball. I MIGHT be back before the deadline but don't count on it

Mattchew

United States5684 Posts

May 05 2012 00:11 GMT

#2461

yo gg... lol

thanks igrok for putting up with my bitching and not telling me to go fuck myself (which woulda been totally acceptable)
thanks bluelightz for co-hosting

this was the hardest game to play in ever

Mattchew

United States5684 Posts

May 05 2012 00:14 GMT

#2467

On April 23 2012 02:11 Mattchew wrote:
BM ninja voted, Daniel didn't.. he atleast attempted to explain his vote (albeit scummily as fuck) . When someone ninja votes you lynch them. Its basically a red check

My scum picks so far are BM, Risen, Daniel and I would like to lynch/vig them in that order

I was Town MVP

Mattchew

United States5684 Posts

May 05 2012 00:16 GMT

#2471

ps. I was completely forced into that blue claim and it was a completely all-in strategy. I would not have done that had it not been for BM looking so scummy and risen adding to that

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