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Mattchew
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On May 03 2012 09:55 PaqMan wrote: If Mattchew is vig then wtf is up with this post. playing into sents role claim... I thought I found the scum team of ottox/risen/sent and all i needed to do was claim after ottox flipped scum | ||
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Mattchew
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On May 03 2012 10:24 johnnywup wrote: Explain this Matt. + Show Spoiler + On April 30 2012 09:24 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Now that's interesting. Jailkeeper here. I jailed Otto, because, as I said, it felt more likely I could stop the shot. Although I still think Otto is red, he is not a goon, and as you can see, one of ours died last night. What do we do now? On April 30 2012 09:28 Mattchew wrote: We lynch scum. ##vote ottoxlol 4 minutes later, Mattchew shows no sign of not believing. He responds as if he was unsurprised even. The fact of the matter is that he votes OTTOX right after the day begins. If you have a confirmed scum then you fucking vote him. I don't give a shit if you think he's connected to someone else. You lynch a 100% confirmed scum 100% of the time no matter what. And Matt didn't do that. Not to mention that Sentinels pre-day post posting made way more sense with the claim than yours. They make sense leading up to his jailing of Ottox. On April 27 2012 02:45 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Layabout's post w/ the timeframe seems to clear everything up for me. I still believe Monsieur Otto is scum, so I'll have an easy time believing all 3 of them are mafias. I could see some logic behind Brood being a townie and deliberately pressed for time, but unlikely. The question is, if Otto is town, what would be the motives of Brood and Risen? I don't see any clear ones for now, so I'll go about believing Otto is scum. On April 27 2012 02:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Also, concering saving Otto, perhaps one of the two is GF and they're saving Otto who is a goon and has KP? but the most telling thing IMO is the moment that Mattchew says that he's not sure if Sentinel is fakeclaiming he starts pushing (if you can even call it that) Risen. Up until that point he mentioned Risen as a possible scum but didn't push. This leads me to believe that this is the time that Matt came up with his fake claim. This, not so coincidentally, is the time when I started feeling matt wasn't contributing and was acting scummy... But let the posts do the talking. On May 02 2012 08:28 Mattchew wrote: what if sent is fake claiming and the real blue is just waiting for the right opportunity. I believe sent but idk On May 02 2012 08:30 Mattchew wrote: meh fuck it.. sent you need to jail BM and we need to lynch Ottox. We are doing all the right things to come back from this travesty of a game On May 02 2012 08:35 Mattchew wrote: lol @ risen trying to confuse the thread On May 02 2012 08:40 Mattchew wrote: if you dont pay attention to risen... you wont pay attention to scum On May 02 2012 08:45 Mattchew wrote: johnny i am being productive... i am telling you not to listen to scum On May 02 2012 08:48 Mattchew wrote: Risen is trying to get us off his scum teammate On May 02 2012 09:05 Mattchew wrote: lol johnny risen is scum On May 02 2012 09:07 Mattchew wrote: ill post more at the end of the night On May 02 2012 10:26 Mattchew wrote: sent should jail BM and we should lynch BM tomorrow that is all goodnight In my mind Risen/Ottox were confirmed scum. Ottox to me was the goon. Sent claiming just made him the other GF to me. I wanted to lynch the goon then the GF's. It makes a lot of sense to me now that Sent claimed with Ottox not being scum. He counters my claim if I make it (mislynch FTW) or just gets everyone to mislynch BM by saying he is goon cause he blocked him. Basically, I thought the game was won. I was posting like I had already won. | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On May 03 2012 10:36 johnnywup wrote: also, if your claim were to be true, going along with sentinel is not what you would do. You would have 2 confirmed scum, out of 3 left, and yet you chose to vote for neither of them. No townie would do that. ##unvote ##vote mattchew ? I voted Ottox, cause Risen being scum confirmed him to me. This is not illogical at all seeing the last minute vote switch of day 2. | ||
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Mattchew
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On May 03 2012 10:44 johnnywup wrote: I meant yesterdays lynch, where he voted for ottox... After Sent claimed, Matt would have 2 confirmed scum out of 3 total (Sent and Risen). BUT HE VOTED FOR OTTOX. Does that make sense as town? Once again, I believed I had won the game and had all 3. In retrospect if Ottox had flipped town day3 I would NOT have shot Risen and would have shot BM night 3. | ||
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Mattchew
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On May 03 2012 10:47 johnnywup wrote: I don't buy it matt. If you have 2 confirmed scum you vote for a confirmed scum. I don't care what role you think they are, if you have 2 confirmed scum you vote for them. The last minute switch didn't confirm shit and you know it. hence why i didn't shoot night 2 .. | ||
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Mattchew
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On May 03 2012 10:54 johnnywup wrote: you JUST said that you thought that risen being scum confirmed ottox to you because of the switch you are rushing your posts. I am saying that it is NOT ILLogical to think ottox is scum because of the last minute switch... | ||
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Mattchew
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Mattchew
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More serious note: The reason not to claim was posted in every guide ever, you keep town on a need to know basis. If ottox was to about to not get lynched again, I would have claimed immediately and ensured his lynch. He was to be lynched and me not claiming actually worked to the benefit of town. By waiting on my claim, I confirmed someone many (including myself) thought was scum and was an easy mislynch in BM. If I had claimed earlier, scum would have just shot me at night and we would have been left lynching only sent and risen and probably mislynching BM. Actually as scum, the timing of my claim would probably make more sense if I were to post it closer towards the end of the day so that people don't have as much time to read my filter, discuss whether or not its true and discuss the 3rd scum option. A question I have for you, is why are you so quick to believe Sent's claim with basically no argument, even though ottox posted a completely logical reason for you not to believe him? | ||
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Mattchew
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On May 03 2012 11:20 PaqMan wrote: BM is Scum. Mafia didn't use their KP to make it look like Sentinel jailed BM , gaining him town cred. Assuming Mattchew's claim is true then that's the most likely scenario. What I don't like is why would Sentinel fake-claim. scum knew they would have to fake claim at somepoint cause of there only being 1 blue left and having the shot hit risen. the useless JK that all of a sudden jails everyone's scum read and he turns out to be goon probably seemed the most believable | ||
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Mattchew
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Mattchew
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On May 03 2012 11:38 johnnywup wrote: I'll actually look into ottox's argument, i didn't really put much thought into it. as for the first part, claiming at the end of the day would make you look waaaaaay scummier, and we'd end up lynching a "town". anyways, if we mislynch today, we're at lylo, 5v3 yes? that means that lynching BM is the best course of action for both of your claims, believe it or not. Let me explain. If BM flips goon, then we lynch you, as it confirms Sent as a Jailkeeper and you as a liar. This means we get 2 scum without losing without fail. We won't be at lylo tomorrow in this situation. If BM flips town, we lynch Risen and Sentinel, as it confirms Matt as a vig and Sent as a liar. This means we also get 2 scum without losing without fail. We will be at lylo tomorrow, but that doesn't really matter since we get 2 scum either and it'll be favorable for town from there. If BM flips GF, we act the same as if he flipped town, except we catch all 3 scum without fail. So there we have it. Any objections to this plan? johnny we are at 5 - 3 now. We are in lylo because we DONT ACTUALLY HAVE A JAILKEEPER. We have to lynch scum today On May 03 2012 11:37 PaqMan wrote: How can you explain BM's behavior the entire game? No reaction to the fact that Town wants him lynched, he's not even trying to defend himself or anything. Yeah i don't buy your claim that he's town. On May 03 2012 11:38 PaqMan wrote: Yeah if he's town why is he shitting all over us. Read this post and thread for why BM would do this and then read how I wanted to policy lynch him. He is known for being batshit as both town and scum. It is almost impossible to read him as scum and it is ALWAYS impossible to read him as town. This is why I said that him and St. Daniel made good day 1 day 2 lynches cause they are impossible to read. (BM for being crazy, St. Dan for not posting) | ||
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Mattchew
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Mattchew Janaan Risen Bill Murray [UoN]Sentinel PaqMan this is who is left... its 8 people... stop being dense johnny... 3 scum 5 town, a mislynch and no JK = scum wins | ||
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Mattchew
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On May 03 2012 12:00 johnnywup wrote: yeah, i was being stupid there...but it may still work but we have to go all-in, in sorts. If BM flips town, town will be tied with scum, with 3:3. If town can get 3 on risen or sent before scum gets a lynch on a town, then the tie rule will lynch the scum. If its a GF it's 2:2 and we gotta do the same thing again the next day. If its Goon we are 3:2, and there shouldn't be a way to lose because scum is forced to reveal themselves in order to try and lynch a townie the previous day, and since we have majority we get the lynch unless a townie is being an idiot. This will be really risky though, as everyone has to be f5ing the thread hardcore in order to get their votes in first. I understand if town feels like this is too much of a risk and we don't go through with it, but if we do it right we should win 100% if BM flips scum we should be able to win ezpz however. scum usually win if the # of scum = # of town right mods? | ||
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Mattchew
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On May 03 2012 12:00 johnnywup wrote: yeah, i was being stupid there...but it may still work but we have to go all-in, in sorts. If BM flips town, town will be tied with scum, with 3:3. If town can get 3 on risen or sent before scum gets a lynch on a town, then the tie rule will lynch the scum. If its a GF it's 2:2 and we gotta do the same thing again the next day. If its Goon we are 3:2, and there shouldn't be a way to lose because scum is forced to reveal themselves in order to try and lynch a townie the previous day, and since we have majority we get the lynch unless a townie is being an idiot. This will be really risky though, as everyone has to be f5ing the thread hardcore in order to get their votes in first. I understand if town feels like this is too much of a risk and we don't go through with it, but if we do it right we should win 100% if BM flips scum we should be able to win ezpz however. 2 more things. if/when BM flips town, if we didn't lose right there and then, we don't know the 3rd scum member, only sent/risen. You seem to be trying to take the super lazy and easy way out of this game. you also seem to be trying to sell the easy win to everyone else. your posting has earned my FOS as the third scum | ||
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Mattchew
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Mattchew
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if sent flips town, you lynch BM (taking out what would be scum KP) and me and then find 3rd scum when sent flips scum, you go up 5 - 2, might lynch scum KP, and then you guarantee the next day lynch of Risen, and then you go up at least 4 - 1, at best 5 - 1 if sent is goon | ||
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Mattchew
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On May 03 2012 12:11 PaqMan wrote: Yes. I thought it was really hilarious, lol. I still want him dead. That doesn't clear him of being scum and it doesn't justify him as town. it doesn't make it right, but it explains why it happens. please find me a game where BM played town and didn't play batshit insane | ||
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Mattchew
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On May 03 2012 12:15 johnnywup wrote: same issue with my plan with sent, it would end up being 3:3 tomorrow if sent flips town. I even got a FoS from that, so why are you suggesting the same thing with a different person? because you either lynch scum today, or guarantee lynching goon the next day. you lynch BM and he flips town, then you just have sent and risen, and I dont think either are goon | ||
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Mattchew
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and I love how you completely ignore Sentinel in all of your reasoning. by voting BM you are saying you believe Sent and are willing the bet the entire game on a scum read on the craziest player in the game. Do you think that I would have pushed BM's lynch (and push away from a VE lynch) as hard as I did day 1 if he was my teammate? You are literally taking the laziest way out with this situation | ||
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