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On April 29 2012 10:14 PaqMan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2012 10:10 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Okay. The good news is that we're not one day away from LyLo anymore. We might even live to a whole week if the game goes on that long. However, I'm still nervous that Ottoxlol survived not one, but TWO lynches. We need to kill him. We should have lynched Ottox. MG was going to be modkilled anyways so our lynch was wasted.
Relying on modkills to do your work for you isn't very sportsmanlike imoimo
good to see a goon gone though. i dunno what MG was up to today, but it certainly didn't help. sucks we lost another townie T_T
if tracker, track ottox.
if vig, shoot ottox.
if JK, jail ottox.
imoimo, at least. if you feel against it, then don't but I feel like ottox is a threat to the town at this point.
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Yeah I know. It's perfectly within the ruleset. It just feels wrong to me. idk
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BKEXE, do you have better reads on whos goon specifically? we can't know goon from gf, so jailing the most scummy read is best, wouldnt you agree?
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Oh yeah. That's right. I was thinking about a roleblocker >_> I forgot momentarily that it blocked a KP.
Yeah, totally go for towniest read, JK, if existent.
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On April 29 2012 21:32 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2012 14:05 BroodKingEXE wrote:
@Johnny
No, I am saying that JK's can jail their most town reads. Mafia then have to guess who to shoot (since they want to get rid of influential or correct townies) and whether they are JK'ed. I think a jailing using a reasoned desicion (figuring out who is town) is better than having a 1/3 chance of a useful jail. Still, there's also the fact that in the end, Mafia has a 7/8 chance of successfully shooting someone. So to max out the odds they can go for someone who isn't being suspected at the moment, or just shoot an active player. Personally, I see many players in this game who are influential and leading the discussion. JK can't jail them all. 1/3 seems like better odds than 1/8.
yeah, ok, but that only makes sense if we know who the mafia are. we can have suspicions, but it won't be 1/3 vs 1/8
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hey guys im eliminated from the tournament so i have a few moments to look over the thread.
first off: do you have proof sentinel? I believe you but I'd like proof just in case
Ottox is confirmed Not Goon from sentinels. I think we should aim for goons before GFs, even if we have confirmed scum. GFs are useless at this stage for scum, we don't have a vig so they don't have any real powers. We need to aim for the KP before we kill the GFs, imo.
So if anyone has any idea who the Goon is, we should lynch that person.
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GFs are useless to scum though. If we can kill the goons we pretty much win since without a goon scum has to rely on mislynches and won't have a night kill.
since ottox is not a goon, we shouldn't kill him today. IMO at least.
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On April 30 2012 09:58 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 09:53 johnnywup wrote:
GFs are useless to scum though. If we can kill the goons we pretty much win since without a goon scum has to rely on mislynches and won't have a night kill.
since ottox is not a goon, we shouldn't kill him today. IMO at least. im just saying this is making you look like you dont want to lynch scum
I want to lynch scum. But look for other scum other than ottox because if he dies than scum still has the KP. We want to reduce the KP to 0. If we do that it's smooth sailing.
Do you not understand what I'm saying?
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why did this become so inactive?
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if scum gave up then whos scum? because it seems like everyone stopped posting/gave up.
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What do you mean use a break? You haven't posted anything except that to take a break from
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I don't think Ottox is the correct lynch for today
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im confused how BKEXE didn't get modkilled because had a 4 day gap in posting...
also as for who i want to die instead I'm not sure. but this post bothered me while looking through ghosts filter:
On April 24 2012 11:26 ghost_403 wrote:
Marv. Please flip town. Plzplzplzplzplzplz.
Time to catch up on the thread. brb
FYI, my plan for catching up on the thread means reading to everything past the night post, then returning through the events of Day 1. Probably going to take a while, but I'm not going to bed until I post something constructive. I'm a bawse like that.
marv, please flip town? wtf
Anyways, I'm gonna be reading up filters and making my decision.
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Ok, first off theres Bill Murray. Verdict: Goon. Meta-reason: Compare his filter to his DFM2 posting (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=324050&user=54241). He wasn't very active there either, but he made reads and took sides and made substantial posts. Here he tells people that they're wrong. That's it. He doesn't make a case or say anything unless he's directly responding to accusations against him. There are some examples of him responding to posts not about him, but they're still small and not relevant. He's scraping by lynches by not taking stances and that's unacceptable. He's scum. I'm not quoting him to point out certain points in his posting because all his posts are very similar. There's not too much for me to say about BM because he hasn't posted much. I think he's Goon because he's staying out of the spotlight as much as often. This makes him look more goon than GF because without Goon there isn't any KP left for mafia. Same concept for vigs (which we dont have anyways). The others are Godfather by default of me thinking that BM is Goon (since theres 1 left) and because they're not afraid to put themselves out in the open as much as BM.
Then theres Ghost_403. Verdict: Godfather
On April 22 2012 10:02 ghost_403 wrote:Ghost's response to sloosh's case on VE. + Show Spoiler +Point 1) I totally agree with sloosh's point here. VE's idea that a JK would work against a claimed vig is just stupid, and one of the first things he said that made me think that he was scum. Point 2) I thought his scumslip argument was stupid. Said that already. Point 3) Yeah, I agree with that. VE avoided discussing most of his counterarguments. Point 4) I agree with this.
Well, I'm sold. I'm happy with a VE lynch. VE today, Sentinel tomorrow?
BONUS: Hey! Sentinel decided to join us!
On April 23 2012 01:28 ghost_403 wrote:
I think a BM lynch is a terrible idea (vig shout would be fine though). I don't think I've ever seen a case where a ninja vote was due to someone being scum. There's too much risk and no reward for scum in this situation. I think he's just insane.
I really don't like the fact that Sentinel immediately jumped on the lynch BM bandwagon. Trying to lynch insane players is scummy in my book. Same goes for you Mattchew. Why would scum even try to ninja vote? It makes way more sense to sheep instead. No one would have thought twice if BM had shown up in thread and said "lol VE scum ##vote VE".
VE's claim is bad. He's doing the same thing that he did in TLM LI in claiming when there's no reason to. I can't imagine scum VE doing the same thing twice, but now we're into WIFOM territory. In addition, JK is the only nonconfirmable role in the game. A vig shot shows up in the day post, and a tracker can confirm where someone went that night. It only makes sense that scum VE would claim JK.
I've said I think BM is scum. So this stuff makes perfect sense. Soft defending his scum mate, and attacking townies (who we now know are indeed townies)
then we have:
On April 23 2012 07:03 ghost_403 wrote:
@johnnywup: I have no idea why you thought a few hours before the lynch was a good time to bring forward another lynch candidate. Seriously?
I'm not really seeing why Risen is scum. Sure, he's loud, obnoxious and belligerent, but that doesn't say anything about his alignment.
I'm still pretty happy with a VE lynch. I thought he was scum before he claimed, and I don't buy his claim. Even if his claim is true, he's functioning in an anti-town manner. Also, I'm surprised that no one has brought up the point that he's pretty much ragequit.
Marvellosity is still posting nothing of content. I'd be down with that lynch.
and 12 minutes later...
On April 23 2012 07:15 ghost_403 wrote:
BlazingJitsu, you down with a Risen lynch?
then we have:
On April 24 2012 11:26 ghost_403 wrote:
Marv. Please flip town. Plzplzplzplzplzplz.
Time to catch up on the thread. brb
FYI, my plan for catching up on the thread means reading to everything past the night post, then returning through the events of Day 1. Probably going to take a while, but I'm not going to bed until I post something constructive. I'm a bawse like that.
which I don't even understand. Why would you say "marv please flip town" unless you're scum and meant to say it in mafia qt?
then he posts a case on sentinel (who we now know is town) On April 24 2012 21:15 ghost_403 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Another thing that I was going to note last night was the fact that Sentinel has been lurking like a bawse through this whole game. If you take a look at what he wrote last night, he more or less claimed that he was onboard the VE lynch, and that's it. Sentinel is afraid of posting in this thread, because he's afraid he'll do something to out his scumbuddies. I thought he was scum yesterday, our townie friend sloosh thought he was scum before Sentinel killed him, and I think we should be lynching him today. I'm guessing that he rolled goon, which is why he's so afraid to get caught. Scum KP should drop to 1 after we lynch Sentinel.
Let's look at Sentinel's posts from last night! Poast 1"I was totally onboard for the VE lynch before VE was". Who cares? What does this add to the thread? How does this help us hunt scum? MG's idea that the scum voted to lynch VE before the townies is flawed to begin with, and now he somehow wants more credit for it? On April 24 2012 09:05 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 08:50 Mattchew wrote:posting reads before deadline... have to shit real bad so brb in like 20 ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/kUoLq.jpg) Wait... how the hell do you brand Risen green because of "town meta"? I think his aggressive-defensive bipolarity kinda ruined that aspect. If anything makes him green is that he backed VE till the end. Scum love making townie reads, because it saves them the trouble of scum hunting. You have nothing to say about the fact that Mattchew thinks you're scum? I'd be pissed if I ended up red on that list. On April 24 2012 09:26 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'm in Star Battle so I won't make the deadline. I'll probably post some once I'm done, closer to 14:00 GMT (+00:00) "I'm going to give myself an excuse not to post so I can avoid scumslipping." On April 24 2012 10:41 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Fuck, have to push back my reply to tomorrow early morning. See above. On April 24 2012 10:43 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'm posting exactly seven hours from now. I think I'll make it. See above.
There's no reason for a townie to have this little content in the game. One post with a decent thought is all I ask for. Just one. One post where I can look back and agree or disagree with what you have to say. Instead, this. Nothing of content. The lack of content from Sentinel is due to the fact that's he's terrified of being caught. That's 'cause Sentinel rolled scum. ##vote [UoN]Sentinel which is actually a really really bad case, points out small things but no big picture scummy things. I'll admit I thought Sentinel was scum, but ghost is really grasping at straws with this case.
then ghost starts to get on the ottox train after BJ makes a long post about him: On April 24 2012 21:05 ghost_403 wrote:
Haha, chainsaw defense. I've been giving Ottoxlol a noob pass since Day 1, but perhaps BJ is right. I'd be down with a Ottoxlol lynch.
The other thing that I don't like about Ottoxlol is the fact that he's not hunting scum at all. If you take a look through his filter, his suggestions for lynches are all lurkers. There's 50 pages in this thread, and he can't find any scum who are posting? I assumed it was due to the fact that he's a newb, but newbs roll scum too.
@ottoxlol: If you don't want me to try and get you lynched today, start hunting some scum. You want to suggest someone who isn't lurking and/or insane?
Which is taking a "I think you're a newb" to a "I think you're scum and I'm gonna lynch you unless you do something productive" standpoint. Huge change. This is because of BJs case but I feel like this was a perfect opportunity for ghost to get some "town cred".
Then he exaggerates risens voteswitch as "claiming scum". Then of course ghost goes hardcore down on lynching ottox, which I still think is to gain towncred by lynching a scum. I still think ottox is scum but I don't think that.
Then there's ottox. There's been tons of cases against Ottox so I don't feel like I need to repeat things. I think Ottox is a Godfather. Oh, by the way, once Ottox flips scum, he left a trail to lead Ghost to "being town".
On April 30 2012 09:30 Ottoxlol wrote:
Hey guys, let's lynch Ghost_403.
##vote Ghost_403
This post just says "when i die at least my scum mate will look a lot more townie".
GG
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Yeah, I realized that after I posted that. Ignore that part 
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Oh by the way ##vote Bill Murray
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thank god theres discussion going on now 
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Also not to mention his "big post" wasn't even that big. He says he doesn't like making big posts (which in my mind says he doesn't like making CASES), then next post he makes a "big post". Probably because he was pressured to do it though.
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PS I love how none of the accused have responded 
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There is such a thing as bussing. I don't think otto intended to get ghost lynched. He just wanted to give towncred once otto dies. That's my take anyways.
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