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On April 14 2012 02:11 willz22912 wrote: I called out imallinson because he was so quick to drop his stances on everything with a "good argument" and that Xatalos was letting him latch onto his case against ArcticFox without any questioning. HiroPro has also not contributed nearly as much as he could have. I dropped my stance on Arctic after he and other people had poked holes in Xatalos' argument, which seems perfectly reasonable to me. Then I made a case against trumpetarn and have stuck with it when bandwaggoning you would have been the easiest thing in the world. I'm not entirely sure why you think I am so quick to drop my stances (especially confused about the plurality there I have only changed my vote once and that was due to a reasoned counter-argument). | ||
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On April 14 2012 06:38 BroodKingEXE wrote: This vote is way to close I am going to vote for Yomi to make sure Mafia don't get the initiative to switch. This makes some sense but I have a feeling scum wouldn't try to save a fellow scum now it would look way too obvious given the current discussion. On April 14 2012 06:38 BroodKingEXE wrote: I have already put some thoughts down, but his recent posts haven't helped his case. He talks about how he has been flaming, and that he is going to get more information. The problem with this is that its roughly 1.5 hours to vote, any information he brings foward won't be able to analyzed properly and the voting will turn to chaos. This is kind of true, yomi really hasn't made himself look good, but voting for someone because they can no longer save themselves is dumb and pointless. On April 14 2012 06:38 BroodKingEXE wrote: Although I think willz is more likely scum. ##Unvote ##Vote: Yomi What ... This makes no sense what so ever. Why would you vote for someone if you didn't think they were scum. This whole post reeks of scum realising their ally is about to get lynched and trying to get some town cred from bandwaggoning on him. I still think yomi is pretty scummy at the moment but BroodKing definitely looks worse now. ##Unvote ##Vote: BroodKingEXE | ||
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On April 14 2012 07:06 vonKlaust wrote: Where is Willz btw? Did he give up? I'm guessing he did. It will be a nice suprise for him when he gets back. He is still alive and most likely confirmed town. | ||
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On April 14 2012 07:11 KharadBanar wrote: Fixed I seriously can't stand that people are thinking of other people as confirmed, especially after I spectated TL Mafia LI and the events therein. That game hat the most epic bus of all time between VisceraEyes and Toadesstern, and EVERYBODY thought Toadesstern would be confirmed town after VE flipped. (Spoiler alert: Toad was scum.) So please don't consider someone confirmed town if they haven't flipped yet. Ever. Please. Its why I added the most likely but yes bad wording on my part. | ||
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I was not expecting that How do make such a big scumslip as town? | ||
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Now my thoughts on some of our other townsmembers. Dittert: After his last post I'm really not convinced about the dumb town thing any more. Someone who isn't confident about their ability doesn't chastise people and call them idiots. All I hear about is how "such and such FEELS scummy/townie to me." After 3 or less games of mafia, what makes you think your intuition is worth anything? I will admit there have been some fairly weak arguments (yomi, Xatalos and myself have all been guilty of this although Dittert is as well) however it's day 1 in a newbie game we probably aren't going to be seeing any Holmes-esque deductions yet. For everyone who saw Brood's play as "so obviously mafia/scumslip," what do you think of your judgement now? As I mentioned before, I thought Brood was just kind of bad town (or as I said, "says some really stupid shit"). I think ArcticFox said it best here "That was the dumbest thing I think I've ever seen." He's right it was a dumb slip by Brood whether he is town or scum. Looking back at it it's easy to say it was a stupid thing to go for. What irks me is that before I left, we had a pretty good case going against willz and a general ##FoS pointed at yomi. Once willz started posting more, everyone seemed to think that he must be town (why does posting more mean you're town, especially when posts with any kind of substance whatsoever came after Acro and myself built a strong case against him). It's not just because he started posting more. He actually put up some sort of defence (in between the moping), then yomi started looking more suspicious so the vote started to move to him, finally Brood posted his dumb slip and the vote moved to him. This all makes sense from a town perspective, everyone voted for who they thought was most suspicious at the time. Okay, so if you're convinced willz is town, why not vote for yomi? Yomi didn't even really have a defense, and I don't understand why everyone switched off of him. People did vote for yomi and I don't think anyone has switched off of him. He is certainly high on my list of suspicious people (more on that later). Does post X make sense if so and so is town? What about if they're mafia? Do I see a pattern of posting between people? Remember that the mafia are coordinating with each other. Can you pick out anything that looks like coordination between 3 people? If you think so and so is mafia, with whom are they working? Can you construct a consistent and compelling story about what might be happening in the thread? Are you willing to assume that most people are just chattering townies (which is statistically true)? A lot of this has been said before in the cases against Willz and yomi. This reeks of trying to be helpful while not actually contributing. And for everyone who consistently says that my logic is dumb, my posts are bad, and my reads are wrong, my only read on brood was that he was a townie doing dumb stuff. Looks like I'm 1 for 1, or 2 for 2 if you count the townie part and the dumb stuff (like making a "scumslip" at the last minute) as 2 separate things. This read of yours is both well before he slipped up and after he flipped town. You didn't have much reason to suspect him in the former and have hindsight in the later. You seem to be using the fact you weren't here when the vote flipped to Brood to show you as innocent which I'm not buying. It's easy to say a vote was stupid after it has happened if you had responded as such while it was happening I might take your accusations a bit more seriously. That whole post seems scummy to me ##FoS: Dittert yomi: I'm really not sure about you at the moment. There have been decent arguments against you you never properly responded to but your posting is so erratic and nonsensical that I think you might just be a really bad town player. I would think scum would be more careful and considered in their posting. That being said you are playing so badly currently I'm thinking you wouldn't be a terrible lynch / vig shot. I would really like to get some calmer some reasoned stuff from you. Xatalos: The one good point, although not conveyed well, that yomi made is about you Xatalos. You have actually been suspicious of, to various degrees, or have voted against everyone except yourself and trumpetarn who barely counts because he stopped posting midway through day 1. I can't see a reason why any town would be so suspicious of everyone around him. I understand being wary and throwing a few accusations around but you have taken it to an extreme. I'm not sure whether you are town or scum but I really would like to know why you are so suspicious of everybody. Willz: Everyone seemed to let you off the hook somewhat after yomi became suspect #1 and I will admit you were definitely helpful in what you thought were your death throes posting your reads on others but the mopyness and self voting really helps only the scum. I don't know whether you are town or scum at the moment but you need to cut that shit out. I'll just post short thoughts on everyone else as I don't have mountains to say about them. vonKlaus: You strike me as fairly town. You have defended your self well and haven't been afraid to makes cases. ArcticFox: Again you seem town for the same reasons as vonKlaus. Acrofales: You are probably my strongest town read. You made an excellent well reasoned case against Willz. KharadBanar: Your posting can be a bit sporadic but is helpful when it exists. I hope to see you really shine now we are past day 1. HiroPro: I don't know what to say about you, you barely post. You also seem to flop about a fair bit with your voting mainly following other people. | ||
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I'm not sure if you realise or not, because you seem very adamant about the vig shooting someone tonight, their ability is once per game not once per night. It's a lot better to save it till they are almost sure their target is scum. Having the vig shoot town basically loses us a blue for a loss for town. | ||
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Can you please stop insisting on the vig shooting someone tonight. It's a terrible idea. No one has a solid enough read on anyone to be sure you are hitting scum. The vig shooting town is effectively handing a blue kill to scum, because you shoot a vanilla town and the vig effectively becomes green after using his shot. There is an even worse scenario where the vig shoots another blue and we are down two blues night 1. That isn't a risk we should take. Although that would sure help scum a lot which makes me wonder why you keep insisting on it. | ||
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On April 15 2012 03:40 Xatalos wrote: If yomi were town, I have the feeling he would have been at least a bit more confident with that statement. I can't say it's a definite Mafia slip, but I just get a strong feeling something is off with that. That makes absolutely no sense, if he was mafia he would know 100% that Willz is town. Being town he can have a hunch but not be sure. On April 15 2012 03:40 Xatalos wrote: If I saw someone getting bandwagoned whom I thought was town (for example you, Acrofales), I wouldn't just say something like "and I think you guys need to reconsider Acrofales" and then disappear from the thread, leaving you to be lynched freely. I would clearly state why you shouldn't be lynched and push for a better lynch. Maybe he doesn't have any actual evidence but it is a weird hunch as you say your thoughts about Willz are. I see no difference between his comment and your apart from being on opposite sides. On April 15 2012 03:40 Xatalos wrote: I'll try to explain this again. It's not an argument based on hard facts, but rather the weird feeling I got from his case against Dittert earlier. On April 15 2012 03:40 Xatalos wrote: Of course if I was Mafia, then I would just laugh in the shadows and leave you to be lynched freely while saying just something like "this vote is a mistake, you'll all regret this tomorrow". It would make me look good for the next day, but it would do absolutely nothing to actually save you from the lynch. To me, it looks like this was exactly what yomi did there. Just because a mafia would do this doesn't mean a town wouldn't you are really straying into so WIFOMy reasoning. | ||
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Meant to ##Vote: Dittert | ||
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