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please vig bluelightz | ||
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This is bad. Whilst Lost:the video game is widely regarded as one of the greatest video games of all time i may have got stuck in cave and given up. Oh well, maybe i can do better in this game. "This game has no mafia team in it" Discuss | ||
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On April 10 2012 06:14 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm scared! Someone hold me! Put a bullet in Bluelightz and i will hold you | ||
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On April 10 2012 06:20 Drazerk wrote: So it would be a bad time to claim Jon snow? John snow from which book? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Since ________ some people get really butthurt over spoilers Well since Drazerk checks out we might as well kill sbrubbles | ||
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But you should shoot him because:
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Anybody disagree? | ||
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Deliberate inaction and lurking are two very different things | ||
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On April 10 2012 07:04 GreYMisT wrote: Guys I got this. I Play: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/3DLZV.jpg) Now, I know one of you has Swords of Revealing light out there. So you better claim now and play it. + Show Spoiler + After Game of Thrones Mafia I feel the need to say THIS IS A JOKE POST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ##youactivatedmytrapcard ![[image loading]](http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/images/Cards/2956.jpg) It's not exactly swords of revealing light.... I think we should lynch one of strongandbig or johnnywub | ||
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GG | ||
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On April 10 2012 08:28 Jackal58 wrote: Role received. Although I'm not sure if we started yet. Should we be bastards and break the game? Yes | ||
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A potential problem is that if there are too many people with wincondition 4 we may end up in a situation in which certain town players may try to kill other town players instead of killing mafia. If you find out that another player needs to kill you, how would you react? I hope the answer is that you would try to act in town's best interest's, because all it takes for mafia to gain the upper hand is for one player to act like a dick and cause 2 mislynches and chaos. Fake-claims from scum could cause us some trouble but i am not sure how much. My advice to players that have to kill other specific players to win is to hunt for scum as per usual and hope that scum kills them for you (or that they are scum and you can show it). | ||
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Detective Investigate one target each night, revealing the targets current wincondition, but not his original wincondition if it has changed. Wouldn't the detective be a lot more useful if we all claimed are win-cons? This game is called "Bastard Mafia", this has lead to a ton of speculation about how exactly the host plan to screw us over. In my time here on TL mafia i have only ever had one (sort of) "bastard role". This was in Werewolve Invade TeamLiquid II I was a spying townie with a rival. You are a Stalker Forumer with a Rival (Spying Townie with a Rival); your rival is prplhz and you may only win if he is dead and the town has won. Rivals: These players hate each other obsessively, and must do everything in their power to eliminate their rival. If a person's rival is alive at the end of the game, they lose, no matter which side wins, if their rival/s is killed, they will in turn win if alive at endgame, and their side wins. They will know the name of their rival/s from the start. The problem in that game was that there were two mafia factions and town's chance of winning was fairly low.You also had to survive until endgame. In addition to this you could lose if a specific player was still alive at endgame. It would make very little to no sense if your rival was on another team because you would need them to die anyway so you would essentially be a VT. Because of this prplhz and i realised that the chances were extremely high that we were both town. We also realised that if we tried to kill each other we would substantially lower town's chances of winning (which would screw us both). So we agreed to play to town's wincon and just hope that the mafia would kill the other. It's probably just called bastard mafia because lots of town players need to kill other town players to win and doing so would cause them to lose. TLDR: If you are town and you have to kill certain players chances are high that they are also town. We should also all claim our wincons. There is a chance that we can work out some players that are likely town and we can make the DT much more powerful. I need Bluelightz to stay alive probably because of this: On April 09 2012 08:23 layabout wrote: /confirm please vig bluelightz | ||
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On April 10 2012 22:07 Sbrubbles wrote: lol, in the werewolves game the "rivals" thing didn't come into play AT ALL! You were killed night 0! I think massclaiming would be a bad idea at this point. Scum, townies with kill win conditions and survivors would lie and knowing townie protect win conditions would be useless. It would do nothing more than generate confusion. We shouldn't focus our attention on finding out who has to do what. Eliminating a scum (and a potential KP) is what we should be doing. Speaking of which, you're lying about having to protect bluelightz. Why would you do that? Layabout, are you scum? lol I actually do have to keep Bluelightz alive. I said that we should vig him in my confirmation post, this was before anybody had any roles. I then recieved a PM telling me that i needed him to live. My posting at the start was mostly off-topic garbage in a sea of off topic garbage. What makes me scummy? Would revealing wincons really cause that much confusion? I think that that information could be very helpful, it might even spark off some discussion or cause a surge in activity. Why is VE being so quiet? | ||
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But look at the date on your PM and notice how my confirm post was like a day before that. As for saying that we should Blue after that, who cares? VE what do you think about a mass claim? | ||
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I want us to kill Macheji for being the first player to misuse occam's razor instead of an actual argument. I also need Greymist to live. So my wincon is for town to win and one of Greymist or Bluelightz to still be alive at endgame. On April 11 2012 05:49 Sbrubbles wrote: Defensive wasn't the right word, admittedly. What I mean is, you could have simply stated he is your protectee. Instead, you try to meta-explain why the hosts would have him as such without anyone asking or question it. This is aside from the point, of course, that I believe you're lying. I dislike the way you are trying to over analyse an action that had very little thought put into it. Macheji, would you care to summarise your case against me and tell us how certain you are that i will flip scum? | ||
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On April 11 2012 06:56 VisceraEyes wrote: Because he's supposed to be the biggest bastard of them all. He hasn't called me scum yet. I think he's scum trying to hide. This has a similar amount of credibility to the "case" on me. | ||
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On April 11 2012 06:57 Hassybaby wrote: I actually thought Draz was talking crazy when the initial accusations were said (damn your YugiOh cards making me think that part of the convo was pre-game) but since its after the PMs.... Are you gonna properly address what they're actually saying or continue to just dismiss it? Also, those are very specific choices. Blue who has shown doubt about your guilt (well, sort of) and Grey, who is the main guy behind the Draz lynch, who in turn is the main guy after you How do i address them saying "we don't believe that's your wincon" when it is in fact my wincon? Also, those choices ARE specific. Because that is what my wincon is. Draz said i was a good lynch here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=326599¤tpage=7#125 and then backs it up here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=326599¤tpage=7#132 Who in their right mind would read that and be convinced? The only lie is here: On April 10 2012 07:42 layabout wrote: Since when was putting spoilers inside of spoilers a crime+ Show Spoiler [No spoilers in here] + It says "no spoilers in here" but it contains two spoilers | ||
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The thread is trash. | ||
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His posting History this game is the following: I want to /in /in I am going for "bastard meta" /confirm Is Darzek claiming broken shell? oh btw i haven't seen lost 37 "!" you a sleeper cell? Contrived twitpic nonsense "Im Tovn" dont trust ppl I looked at the lsot wiki, maybe everyone in town is a survivor? I think BM is a smurf and he is lurking, so i am going to pressure him, aren't i useful | ||
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On April 11 2012 09:25 GreYMisT wrote: I fail to see how this is helpful. Its certainly not helping us find out who the scummiest player is Well if somebody is lying and a DT check's them, the DT will know that they lied about their wincon. Other than that there is an increased chance that any two players that have to protect each other share alignments, but since players appear to have multiple targets to keep alive to endgame it's possible that that chance is not so large. | ||
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On April 11 2012 09:40 Eiii wrote: It's kind of blowing my mind that people are so excited to post their wincon when there are probably other parties out there interested in keeping them from winning :X I'm a pretty big fan of lynching lay because this is not consistent with what little I know about the game. Between that, the other slipups people have dug up, and him not being on *my* list... ##vote layabout You are terrible | ||
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Town are not mafia. Survivors are not mafia. + Show Spoiler [Filters] + 1 - Bluelightz 2 - johnnywup 3 - phagga 4 - Hassybaby 5 - Drazerk 6 - GreYMisT 7 - VisceraEyes 8 - strongandbig 9 - Macheji 10- Jackal58 11- layabout 12- BagManager 13- Cyber_Cheese 14- Eiii 15- Sbrubbles Very likely survivor: Johnnywub + Show Spoiler + he claims it when mafia would not be sure if there were many survivors and when there was no real need for him to claim it strongandbig + Show Spoiler + he speculates that everyone is a survivor, i also think he is 3rd party. Drazerk + Show Spoiler + based on his wincon being to keep himself alive On April 11 2012 07:26 Drazerk wrote: Myself, Macheji, Jackal58 or GreYMisT Go There was also this "be nice to survivors posts" On April 10 2012 23:28 Drazerk wrote: Which annoys me because if someone claims survivor you should just ignore them instead of lynching them day 1 On April 10 2012 23:44 Drazerk wrote: don't even like vigs targetting survivors Just leave em be >.> Also all three are acting like they do not care about lyching mafia. They are acting like they received a 3rd party role and then decided to mess around. A sensible townie knows that survivors can win without town and will pay less attention to what someone that claims survivor says. Likewise a sensible survivor will realise the value in getting people to listen to them and would try to avoid claiming survivor. Probably survivor Cyber Cheese+ Show Spoiler + On April 10 2012 09:11 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Thought: Everyone posts their wincon. Agree/Disagree? explanation coming when i regain PC acess Hassababy + Show Spoiler + explanation coming when i regain PC acess phagga + Show Spoiler + based on his wincon being to keep himself alive On April 11 2012 07:55 phagga wrote: I got me, Cyber_Cheese, layabout, jackal58 or sbrubbles. Seriously, I'm not sure what to think of the layabout thing. I mean, there was a alot of stupid banter at the start of the game, and I never took his posts about bluelightz seriously. I am quite surprised that so many people jump on that. On the other side, his reaction is a bit lacking. So, yeah. But lynching him for this? i don't know... Still, I also don't like how Drazerk just voted layabout before there was anything to vote him for and then tried to cover up his vote with stuff layabout said AFTER he voted him. Also, there are a few people lurking, I'm mainly looking at Eiii and Bagmanager here. Also VE seems really tame compared to other games. Town Jackal + Show Spoiler + Jackal is probably the most responsible for for the wincon claims being shared, he claimed this On April 11 2012 07:33 Jackal58 wrote: Hmmmmm phagga, Sbrubbles, Hassybaby or Drazerk He is probably telling the truth because of these posts On April 11 2012 07:29 Jackal58 wrote: If you're smart enough to figure it out I just told you what I was. Him doing this as mafia just does not seem right. Jackal is also quite a lazy player and i don't think he would bother to do this when there was no need for him to do so as mafia. Layabout which leaves us with: Greymist Bluelightz Viscera Eyes Bagmanger Eiii Sbrubbles I am fairly sure that Blue and Grey are town but you will need to check for yourself. Greymist seems very concernned about people not listening to him + Blue's tone indicates that he is thinking about who he thinks might be scum. so the mafia are likely in here: Viscera Eyes Bagmanger Eiii Sbrubbles | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=14299830 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=14304406 ##vote Macheji Perhaps my post was not very clear at the beginning. + Show Spoiler + Let's assume we are all town, survivors or mafia. I think that town includes these people: layabout-me Jackal Greymist Bluelightz You really shouldn't have a problem with me saying this as mafia would unlikely to kill any of these players and it's not as if i am trusted survivors includes these people Johnnywub strongandbig Drazerk and probably includes these people Hassababy cybercheese phagga so the mafia would be in this group Viscera Eyes Bagmanger Eiii Sbrubbles macheji so i am saying that we should lynch one of them. I would also like to point out that none of them (or most of you for that matter) are doing anything that resembles trying to lynch scum. | ||
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There are a number of players that are voting for me. All of them appear to be outright refusing to believe my wincon. Maybe they actually think i am mafia (but they can't be that stupid, right?) So if i support a case, those players are very unlikely to then turn around and support it. There was also the issue of it being called an OMGUS which would serve to discredit anything i say against him. back in like 3 hours | ||
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in that case vote | ||
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And Greymist can you maybe not do another retarded switch to me? | ||
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Most of you have not done shit. Macheji is a good lynch. VisceraEyes is not playing to his town meta. Strongandbig is survivor or sk. Eiii is not being useful Scum will try to push Jackal, Johnnywub or strongandbig. Drazerk is filling the thread with empty crap, he should be intelligent enough to realise that he is leading a terrible lynch do not follow him. + Show Spoiler [Dear Macheji] + oh and tyrion "dies" ASOIAF spoiler | ||
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On April 12 2012 05:44 GreYMisT wrote: Im between you and Draz now. Draz is not getting lynched today so I am switching to you to assure majority. I stated why i think you should be lynched. What you have not explained is why your targets should be lynched. Almost entirely through elimination. The thread has been so very stagnant and so many players have provided so little it would be very easy for mafia to be hiding amongst the unhelpful lurkers and since this is TL they will be hiding amongst them. Oh and since i know that i am not mafia and any of them could be mafia, i know that lynching them would definately be better than lynching me. | ||
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He is smart enough to know how fucking dumb you are being, But he does not care. | ||
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I mean, "You all suck" | ||
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On April 10 2012 06:09 layabout wrote: Lost mafia? This is bad. Whilst Lost:the video game is widely regarded as one of the greatest video games of all time i may have got stuck in cave and given up. Oh well, maybe i can do better in this game. "This game has no mafia team in it" Discuss | ||
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