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On April 11 2012 09:37 GreYMisT wrote:
My problem with this I stated earlier, and no one has addressed it. now that you guys all know that draz has to keep me alive, all defense he makes towards me will now be counted as thus, I can gaurentee that less attention will be given to it becuase you will assume to know the motivation behind it. The same goes for if you know that I had to kill someone. You won't but as much stock in any case I make because you know its my win con.
Having to keep one of several people alive is not the same as having someone dead at the end of the game.
In my case it would even be ok if all 4 of the listed names are dead as long as I survive. So I actually have zero interest to keep all 4 alive. Also, there is also the possibility that some people are lying or only talking about half their list.
On April 10 2012 06:45 Hassybaby wrote:
wait
On April 11 2012 08:05 Hassybaby wrote:
Wait
On April 11 2012 08:22 Hassybaby wrote:
Wait
We've waited almost two days now, Hassybaby, what are your reads? Who do you wanna lynch, who do you think is scummy?
The same questions to you Jackal58, there is nothing useful of you so far. How about we get a read or two of you?
And BagManager, stop lurking!
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On April 11 2012 20:27 Bluelightz wrote:
Well, got your response, I know your town now Macheji, No scum would be like genuinely mad on something except if he's town.
On April 11 2012 20:57 Bluelightz wrote:My case is fucking short yayyyyy Okay first point, he's not posting useless stuff Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 14:48 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Hey, strongandbig, why are you obsessed with the sleeper cell agents?
Furthermore, why would you try using code, when you have the anonymous message at your disposal? Both questions, provide no fucking information on what s&b's alignment is. Second and last(lol) point, He pushed too far on Macheji, I think that Macheji finally cracked as town when he well sorta raged, Like I said in my previous post he seemed geniuinely mad so therefore he is town. ##Vote: Cyber_Cheese
If I would not know that this is your way of putting effort in a game, I would vote you know.
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People I'd gladly lynch today:
- strongandbig. He is only trolling or talking about game mechanics, avoids any other topic in the thread.
- BagManager for hardcore lurking
People I might help lynch if the above two are not gonna happen:
- johnnywupp for claiming survivor / 3rd party
- Drazerk for already stated reasons
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On April 11 2012 22:47 Jackal58 wrote:
1 of mine has to survive. I'll bet your role PM states all of yours have to be dead.
Nope, it states that one out of the group of me, Cyber_Cheese, Sbrubbles, Jackal58 and layabout has to be alive if I want to win.
Concerning layabout:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 11 2012 21:40 layabout wrote:Lets assume we are all survivors or town. Town are not mafia. Survivors are not mafia. + Show Spoiler [Filters] +Very likely survivor:Johnnywub + Show Spoiler +he claims it when mafia would not be sure if there were many survivors and when there was no real need for him to claim it strongandbig + Show Spoiler +he speculates that everyone is a survivor, i also think he is 3rd party. Drazerk + Show Spoiler +based on his wincon being to keep himself alive On April 11 2012 07:26 Drazerk wrote:
Myself, Macheji, Jackal58 or GreYMisT
Go There was also this "be nice to survivors posts" On April 10 2012 23:28 Drazerk wrote:
Which annoys me because if someone claims survivor you should just ignore them instead of lynching them day 1 On April 10 2012 23:44 Drazerk wrote:
don't even like vigs targetting survivors
Just leave em be >.> Also all three are acting like they do not care about lyching mafia. They are acting like they received a 3rd party role and then decided to mess around. A sensible townie knows that survivors can win without town and will pay less attention to what someone that claims survivor says. Likewise a sensible survivor will realise the value in getting people to listen to them and would try to avoid claiming survivor. Probably survivorCyber Cheese + Show Spoiler + On April 10 2012 09:11 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Thought: Everyone posts their wincon. Agree/Disagree? explanation coming when i regain PC acess Hassababy + Show Spoiler +explanation coming when i regain PC acess phagga + Show Spoiler +based on his wincon being to keep himself alive On April 11 2012 07:55 phagga wrote:
I got me, Cyber_Cheese, layabout, jackal58 or sbrubbles.
Seriously, I'm not sure what to think of the layabout thing. I mean, there was a alot of stupid banter at the start of the game, and I never took his posts about bluelightz seriously. I am quite surprised that so many people jump on that.
On the other side, his reaction is a bit lacking. So, yeah. But lynching him for this? i don't know...
Still, I also don't like how Drazerk just voted layabout before there was anything to vote him for and then tried to cover up his vote with stuff layabout said AFTER he voted him.
Also, there are a few people lurking, I'm mainly looking at Eiii and Bagmanager here. Also VE seems really tame compared to other games. Jackal + Show Spoiler +Jackal is probably the most responsible for for the wincon claims being shared, he claimed this On April 11 2012 07:33 Jackal58 wrote:Hmmmmm phagga, Sbrubbles, Hassybaby or Drazerk He is probably telling the truth because of these posts On April 11 2012 07:19 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 06:26 layabout wrote:+ Show Spoiler [whati want us to do] +I want us to kill Macheji for being the first player to misuse occam's razor instead of an actual argument.
I also need Greymist to live. So my wincon is for town to win and one of Greymist or Bluelightz to still be alive at endgame. On April 11 2012 05:49 Sbrubbles wrote:On April 11 2012 05:40 layabout wrote:
sbrubbles voting a player for being "defensive" is terrible Defensive wasn't the right word, admittedly. What I mean is, you could have simply stated he is your protectee. Instead, you try to meta-explain why the hosts would have him as such without anyone asking or question it. This is aside from the point, of course, that I believe you're lying. I dislike the way you are trying to over analyse an action that had very little thought put into it. Macheji, would you care to summarise your case against me and tell us how certain you are that i will flip scum? That's funny. I got 4 players in my list. On April 11 2012 07:29 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 07:28 VisceraEyes wrote:On April 11 2012 07:25 Jackal58 wrote:On April 11 2012 07:21 VisceraEyes wrote:
How about we all simultaneously post our Role PMs and compare them that way? I PROMISE I will too guys, really. How's about you talk everybody into lynching me. Because you haven't told me whether you're scum or not. I just THINK you are right now. If you're smart enough to figure it out I just told you what I was. Him doing this as mafia just does not seem right. Jackal is also quite a lazy player and i don't think he would bother to do this when there was no need for him to do so as mafia. Layabout which leaves us with: Greymist Bluelightz Viscera Eyes Bagmanger Eiii Sbrubbles I am fairly sure that Blue and Grey are town but you will need to check for yourself. Greymist seems very concernned about people not listening to him + Blue's tone indicates that he is thinking about who he thinks might be scum. so the mafia are likely in here: Viscera Eyes Bagmanger Eiii Sbrubbles
I agree with sbrubbles that this post is bad. First he writes that he wants to assume that everyone is either town or survivor. But then he contradicts himself by never looking at the posts of VE, Bagman, E3 and Sbrubbles from that perspective. Instead he talks about how everyone else is either town or survivor (sometimes without reasoning) and then concludes that those 4 leftovers must be scum. Please? I just thought he assumed there is no scum?
There is a second problem with that. We should not try to find town and conclude that everyone else is scum. Instead we try to find scum by looking at what people posted and how they behave. And town lists are stupid. They just give good targets to scum for their nightkills by killing of the townies that are most trusted.
Also, 6 survivor candidates? Making me and Drazerk possible survivors because of our wincon? Missing Macheji in his analysis? This doesn't really add up.
And finally I also agree with sbrubbles that survivors at LYLO are a liability. We should get rid of survivors at some point, and should we really be unable to find a good lynch target, I'd happily lynch the claimed survivor D1.
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where did I claim survivor?
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Also, no, I'm not survivor.
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WTF? no, it is not a survivor claim. My role description makes it very clear that I am not survivor, and it's not my fault the hosts decided to give me these win conditions.
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Sbrubbles, why don't we wait until we know how the game ends? I'm sure town gets something along the lines of "all scum needs to be dead". As I am town, and not survivor, I will then need all scum dead as well to win. So I am not a survivor, also not a town survivor or whatever. All it means is that I don't autowin when town wins, but only when one player out of a group of five is also alive.
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also, can we please return to hunting scum?
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also also, I would like to point out to sbrubbles that I also win if I dead, the game ends and (e.g.) sbrubbles is still alive. That does not sound like a survivor to me...
now back to scumhunting plz.
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GAAAAAAAH! PEOPLE! PLEASE! READING COMPREHENSION!
You guys are driving me nuts!
On April 11 2012 07:55 phagga wrote:
I got me, Cyber_Cheese, layabout, jackal58 or sbrubbles.
This means that any of this 5 players needs to be alive for me to win. Hence the "or".
On April 11 2012 23:17 phagga wrote:
Nope, it states that one out of the group of me, Cyber_Cheese, Sbrubbles, Jackal58 and layabout has to be alive if I want to win.
Here I list all the players of the group that I need 1 person alive of. As this is a list, it is concluded with "and". But as I clearly write "one out of the group of [...]" (emphasis by me) this means that ANY one of these five people can be alive for me to win. It does NOT mean that I need to be alive.
GreYMisT, sorry that I doubted you. Posting the Wincondition was the most stupid thing I've done this game.
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I'm off to dinner and cinema to watch iron sky. Don't know if I'll make it back in time for the deadline.
My vote goes to BagManager for his hardcore lurking.
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On April 12 2012 07:53 Drazerk wrote:
all survivors should just claim to be honest there is 0 reason not to as a survivor
On April 12 2012 08:10 Drazerk wrote:
mafia would kill us regardless all that would accomplish would be wasted vigi shots and lynches
No. Survivors win with mafia. Town does not, normally. When Mafia know who is survivor and who not, they will target all the nonsurvivor first, thus making it an easy win for Mafia and the survivors.
The way you are supporting survivors makes me think that you are one too.
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BagManager, where are you? What do you think of Macheji? What are your thoughts on Survivors?
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On April 13 2012 03:59 BagManager wrote:
we should kill greymist
why?
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BagManager has avoided any participation in our discussions. He dodges all questions, and just wants to kill Greymist without giving any reason. The probability that he is a smurf and no newb is rather high. Still he is lurking and absolutely unhelpful to town.
I am claiming town aligned Vigilante. For the above reasons, BagManager dies tonight.
##Shoot BagManager
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sorry town. that sucks. I feel miserable.
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On April 13 2012 06:03 Hassybaby wrote:
Ok, that convinces me that there is no Mafia team in this game.
Where does the second KP come from then? My shot, Serial killer and?
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