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On April 03 2012 05:20 Cephiro wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 05:16 Snarfs wrote:
@Tobon and Cephiro: While I appreciate that there is a good likelihood many roles overlap between DF1 and DF2 please state all of your assumptions exactly as they are and really think if there is any way to confirm your assumptions before you use your PoPs (Tobon especially). Tobon you wasted both your PoPs when all we really had to do was wait for risk to explain his role. Cephiro, if people are going to use their roles to help out, let them explain it. There's no way you could actually know VE's role just from him saying that he has a way of saving Palmar. I perfectly understand what you mean, and I by no mean take any similarities as certain. I am however very sure that I know VE's role, but that's nothing that needs to be dwelled on further. There is a reason why I've saved my PoPs this far, and I am not going to act on impulse just due to an assumption of a previous game.
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@Nemesis: Are your pulls supposed to move people 3 spaces as opposed to 2? Sorry if I missed this but I just want to confirm that this wasn't a counting error and/or some other effects are working here.
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On April 03 2012 09:34 Cephiro wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 09:30 prplhz wrote:
He was nullified by scum and would be a pretty poor move if Palmar was scum.
Okay, I believe this is what they call WIFOM. But I'd like to point it out anyway: How could you know for sure he was nullified by scum? I do admit that it certainly doesn't look like a pro-town move, but there is a slight possibility it could have been a townie ability.
If town actually wanted to help, they would claim the fact that they're trying to doom Palmar.
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As opposed to letting everyone else waste their PoPs rescuing him. It's not WIFOM, it's playing to win and if a town did it and didn't claim it they wouldn't be playing to win, they'd be directly working against their own win condition.
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Can we confirm that VE was supposed to be moved 3 spaces and not 2? Thank you.
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On April 03 2012 09:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
3 pushes to kill Wiggles or cascades. Anyone feeling frisky?
I'm still all for a cascades kill if anyone wanted to oblige that desire for me.
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On April 03 2012 09:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
Same to you Snarfs. BM's alignment is in doubt (because he's not here), but he's certainly right about my alignment, so for the moment I'm going to assume he was right about yours too. What do you think about a Wiggles kill vs. cascades?
As mentioned, cascades hasn't added anything to change my opinion of him being scum.
I don't have a read on Wiggles. Like wbg I'll have to take a closer look at his filter and the context of his posts.
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Gonna head home from work now though, so don't expect my thoughts on Wiggles until later this evening about an hour or so before deadline.
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So many people with actions still T_T. Why aren't people using them?
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Bluelightz is now only 4 pushes from the incineration zone. I'd be fine with killing him too. I think his roleclaim was a desperate attempt to deflect attention off of himself and he didn't bother to create a pro-town roleclaim and just used his scum one. It's not a pro-town ability, as people have mentioned.
Also, last time I saw him get accused of being scum when he was town, he laid down and died, essentially. Not like this time where he comes back guns blazing and being quite over-sensitive.
Plus, as sbrubbles pointed out, there's cascades and the soft defending of Bluelightz. I noticed that awhile ago and wanted to see if anyone else pointed it out. Sbrubbles gained some town points from me.
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I'll have a look at Wiggles now. His last post seems pretty towny, but he had to be called for and then disappeared right after =(. I'm sure he's still around and will post more though......
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I think one thing stands out the most in Wiggles' filter: Aside from the parts you made bold, he's being very diplomatic.
All the claims coming out are silly. Half of you aren't even under a ton of pressure, and that makes your claims even more nonsensical. Looking at you, Palmar and risk.nuke. Palmar claimed because someone guessed his role. risk.nuke claimed... just because, from what I can see.
He uses the word 'silly' to push Palmar and risk.nuke... hardly putting pressure on if that's what was intended.
People have been saying Mattchew has been pushing a lot for Palmar to get the item, so if that's true, and Palmar's telling the truth, then that makes him look a lot worse. Same thing with others strongly supporting going for the item with Palmar. We'll have to look at them all.
Doesn't outright say what he's thinking here.
So, Syllo>Shrubbles, but I'd like them both to post more, so I can get a more concrete read.
Fair enough, need them to post more, but again not really taking a stance.
I think either of Mattchew or Bluelightz are good targets for my push, and I'd probably go with Bluelightz.
Again, it just seems kind of... weak. Like he's not trying to actually pressure anyone or find any scum.
Looking at JubJub day 1, he seems a little more aggressive and more willing to call people out for doing dumb things.
What the hell? How's there no harm in someone asking you for your role? Why would another townie want to know your role, or more importantly need to know your role? If you're a townie, and you're rolefishing, you're just being dumb. You look like scum.
Caller, why haven't you actually been pushing for Jackal's lynch if you want to kill him?
etc.
I wouldn't put him at the top of my scum list though because I've agreed with some of the points he actually has made (ie. there was no reason to assume Palmar was the best person to get the item, people shouldn't necessarily have been tossing claims out) AND I think that some people who have played more games with him will be better judges than I can be of his behaviour.
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VE moved the extra spot with his pony powers.
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Bluelightz! My friend! You know, some people almost convinced me you were a Good Toy. But then I remembered this little tidbit.
On April 02 2012 22:56 Bluelightz wrote:
Fuck this, you guys see my name? Yeah I am.( For those of you who don't understand I am bluelightz.
Something doesn't quite add up here, Bluelightz. I think you're a Bad Toy and you need to burn tomorrow.
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Why would scum kill Sbrubbles unless they want syllo to die? It doesn't make sense....
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On April 04 2012 13:40 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 13:39 Snarfs wrote:
Why would scum kill Sbrubbles unless they want syllo to die? It doesn't make sense.... Scum couldn't have killed Sbrubbles, I don't think, unless they had a KP role. Scum KP is listed at 1.
Ah good point. Says he was lost, not shattered. Was probably something else. Glad Palmar justified VE dying to save him.
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On April 04 2012 13:49 Tobon wrote:EBWOP: Congratulations Nemesis! If you are lucky, your 3-push may already have killed me! 
Hopefully the flamethrower grew so there's an even better chance
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On April 03 2012 03:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
Wiggles is a smart guy. Like, super smart. He knows how voting works, and Bugs was insisting that it took 13 pushes to kill Bluelightz at the beginning of his push. A town Wiggles would have corrected Bugs I think, immediately. I only realized it later, but Wiggles is much smarter than me.
Combined with the fact that his first bit of advice from playing in the original DFM was "let's try not to anger each other" when it's appeared (at least to me) that he's been trying to get a rise out of me for most of his later posting.
That's my reasoning for wanting to off Wiggles.
On April 04 2012 14:07 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Hey risk.nuke, do you get to use your power again today?
If we can, we should put some people we want to check into next to him, and get him to check. We could also 1-1 trade syllo or Ceph by checking them alone to get the scum, and then if the one determined to be scum flips town, flipping risk.nuke. Unless they're a miller, I don't see a reason for them to appear as scum on day 1, if risk is telling the truth.
VE seems to think that you're pretty smart Mr. Wiggles. I think you might want to reread the Day post -_-. Either that or let us know how you intend on determining who is beside risk.nuke.
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While we're waiting for some sort of Cephiro plan to take off the ground, what do people think of honouring VE's last wishes and pulling Wiggles off the end of the belt?
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