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Too bad I dont think ill have time for this unless aperture ends tomorrow or something =/ | ||
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Whilst I am currently playing in aperture, Im quite sure that I would have enough time to remain active in both of them. If you would rather me not play because of this though would appreciate you adding me to the replacement list  | ||
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On March 26 2012 13:42 VisceraEyes wrote: Please...wait...don't... Why not? This method has been thoroughly tested and has had a 100% success rate so far. Statistics show that this is a stellar plan, no? | ||
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On March 26 2012 12:44 Hesmyrr wrote: All spots are filled! The day post will be up on March 27, 07:00 KST. If anyone is still interested, feel free to PM me to join the replacement list. While I would never want to see anyone being mod-killed you never know. I'll give the role PM about few hours before the deadline. I'll post when I start doing so that everyone knows when it's time not to talk. @slOosh Do anyone prefer the 11 KST deadline over the 7 KST? I'll PM the co-mod to check whether he is available at that time but if not it'll probably be safe to stick with the latter unfortunately. Yes, US and SU are town and do not know alignment of each other (except, of course, mafia). THEY BOTH COUNT AS THE TOWN. Check the rule 1 for the function of nationality. Ignore the traditional color system. I would prefer the deadline to be 11:00KST since 7:00KST happens to be something like 15minutes before I wake up usually -.- Anything is fine though, waking up a little earlier wont be much of a big deal. | ||
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On March 26 2012 22:33 Bluelightz wrote: Ahahaaha I imagine something like this for me and zelblade XD Wakes up ----> Sees Thread ------> Sees Bro, its slooshy and blzinghand, not me and you. Y U NO READ THREAD | ||
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I agree with VE that cyber_cheese is definately suspicious. His nationaliy softclaim does nothing for town unless he has some master plan I am not aware of, and I dont like it at all. He proceeds to than call VE out for his ego, yet he doesnt do anything with this statement, not making any sort of conclusion, simply implanting the idea that VE's claim to be good at da game is scummy. Not to mention that he drops it instantly after VE calls him back out, instead dodging what I felt was the essence of VE's question - why bother posting some crap when he didnt really want to push it, or have a solid opinion of it? Guess he really wanted something to go along with that nice little picture of his I guess. I want to hear why he decided to soft claim his nationality. Solid lynch at this rate. | ||
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##vote: Cyber_Cheese | ||
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On March 27 2012 15:36 cccalf wrote: You haven't asked or directed anything towards me so what am I supposed to say? It's only the first day, no need to get accusatory. While Blazinghand is being aggressive and a little narcissistic, it's just to stimulate conversation, I don't think he's scum. This isnt a good excuse. Look at the rest of the people who have posted. Are they being asked questions? No. Take the initiative and push who you think is scum. Lurking (what you are currently doing btw) is extermely anti-town, since it makes it really difficult to ascertain wether you are a scared/clueless townie or a mafia lurking on purpose. Since you appear to be new Ill help you a little. What do you think of Cyber_cheese? Who do you want to lynch today? | ||
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So, bluelightz, why him? Me and froggy posted one post each filled with useless crap (at that time), zentor and probably a few others didnt do much either. Any particular reason to call out the newbie? | ||
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On March 27 2012 21:55 Bluelightz wrote: IMO, froggy dont be a new Jackal58 XD, Hmm, so who would be more worrying? A TOTALLY Inactive person or a person that has posted. Both are equally worrying. Both contain nothing that lets one discern their alignments. Anyways, so you brought him up. He posted a response which I personally feel is woely inadequate. What do you think about it? | ||
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Anything is fine really, though ill prefer zel. | ||
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And its not really the lack of linebreaks lol, but the fact that you hit enter about 5 times each new paragrpah | ||
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Guys I think that we have found our first nazi here. Here MrZentor corrects bluelightz's grammar, basically acting like a grammar nazi. I think our first scum just claimed. LYNCHHHHHHHHHHHH | ||
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I also dont like him voting blazinghand, unvoting after johnny joins his wagon, only explaining why after he gets called out like a few hours later. Would a "sorry guys I reread and dont feel blzinghand is scum anymore..." Ill be keeping a eye on him for sure. | ||
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On March 27 2012 23:41 zelblade wrote: On a more serious note I do agree with the rest of your post. ET is acting off to me, and I dont really like this new posting style of his. Whilst it seems different from a couple of his scum games I have read, this playstyle of his doesnt exactly mirror his town play either. I also dont like him voting blazinghand, unvoting after johnny joins his wagon, only explaining why after he gets called out like a few hours later. Would a "sorry guys I reread and dont feel blzinghand is scum anymore..." be that hard to type? Ill be keeping a eye on him for sure. EBWOP missed out some stuff (bolded it) | ||
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On March 27 2012 23:38 VisceraEyes wrote: The important thing to note is that in his first post, he was sure to give the useless/obvious advice of "don't claim your nationality" but didn't seem interested in the fact that C_C already had. It seems to me that if I had an idea about something that's anti-town to do (claiming nationality) and someone has done this thing in thread (C_C) I'd be interested in hearing his reasons for doing so. He doesn't. Like he didn't even read it or something, when it's a big fat graphic in C_C's (only) post. I don't like the smell of it. It smells like....SCUM How did I miss that. | ||
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On March 27 2012 23:43 VisceraEyes wrote: zel and Zentor - discussing town-reads is like, COOL and everything...but I'd like to use our time to find scum if you don't mind. Townhunting is more effective late-game when there are fewer people to speculate about. You two need to post your thoughts on my case against C_C in detail and give your thoughts on my other scum-read gonzaw. Already did. + Show Spoiler + All right. Home and caught up. I agree with VE that cyber_cheese is definately suspicious. His nationaliy softclaim does nothing for town unless he has some master plan I am not aware of, and I dont like it at all. He proceeds to than call VE out for his ego, yet he doesnt do anything with this statement, not making any sort of conclusion, simply implanting the idea that VE's claim to be good at da game is scummy. Not to mention that he drops it instantly after VE calls him back out, instead dodging what I felt was the essence of VE's question - why bother posting some crap when he didnt really want to push it, or have a solid opinion of it? Guess he really wanted something to go along with that nice little picture of his I guess. I want to hear why he decided to soft claim his nationality. Solid lynch at this rate. | ||
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Gonzaw says that he posted regarding not claiming nationality stuff only because c_c soft claimed his nationality. But if you look at this post below... + Show Spoiler + Also, I'd recomend nobody even slightly hint what nationality they are from. As far as I know, town don't get ANY information whatsoever if someone is US or SU, but scum can use that info to try and get their alternative win-con. So no nationality claims, nor any hint to them. If you have to claim just claim your role and nothing else. I cut out the irrelevant stuff but nothing relevant has been excluded. Here you will see him saying "Alright guys no nationality claims", and he claims he did it in response to C_C's actions. But why didnt he call him out on it? I dont know but if I thought something was suspicious/bad I would actually quote it, or at the very least point it out and question why he did it. Instead gonzaw doesnt even mention that C_C did something like that - he conveniently skipped that part. As can be seen he conveniently skips out on C_C's supicious post. Why? I believe that C_C is scum, and gonzaw is his scumbuddy. Which is why I said that. I also believe that if C_C somehow flips town (im highly doubting it considering how little he is caring at this point), gonzaw would seem to be a little more townie. Scum love to cherry-pick stuff, and the fact that he didnt actually do that whilst calling C_C out shows that he could be town assuming C_C is town. Actually this is pretty weak considering that its based off a couple of posts, but this is what I feel of the situation at hand. Im also still most comfortable with a c_c lynch since he has essentially given up. Does he do this as town? | ||
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You agree that cyber is scum, yet you say VE is scum out of a sudden because he wants to lynch cyber. Wat? | ||
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No. Thats not what I mean. You find something bad, and you want it to stop. What I find wierd is that you dont even mention C_C when stating that line, and it seemed to basically be generic advice. IF cc's flag motivated you to do that post, wouldnt you at the very least point it out? I find it supicious that despite you finding his flag bad for town and felt troubled enough to make a paragraph on why its bad, wouldnt you quote it or say something along the lines of "Dont do what c_c did?", or at the very least question his motivations for his soft-claim (which is personally what I would do if I think something is a bad play, or is scummy as hell)? | ||
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I am personally still more than happy with the c_c lynch, which is why I will be leaving my vote there. | ||
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Also Im really sorry but some stuff came up today so I wont be able to post much (This is a one-time thing, wont happen again... I think). ccalf, you still busy? Not done with your RL constraints yet? I still dont think bluelightz is scum but I guess I will take a closer look tomorrow when I have more time. I didnt like froggy's posting earlier, though I need to take a look at his filter. | ||
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Regarding today's lynch and its candidates. cccalf is basically either 1) lurking scum, or 2) newb/busy town who doesnt really care much about the game. Either way, there is no way to discern his alignment from the complete lack of content he has posted. He is a ok lynch, one that I wouldnt mind supporting. He has had plenty of time to redeem himself for his lurkiness, and yet hasnt done so. Saving him for a vigi shot would be a better idea than lynching him here imo, but the primary problem is that we might not have one. Zentor on the other hand.. Gonzaw makes several interesting points against him. Look at zentor's reactions to this case. He flips, calls everyone attacking him scum, and basically starts to not give a shit about the game. I seriously doubt a townie would react this way to be honest. I expect a townie to respond to the points, take a look at the agurement presented at the very least. All zentor does is post ridiculous crap and sums up the case against him as "I defended bluelightz". Which is why: ##vote: MrZentor | ||
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On March 30 2012 02:18 Blazinghand wrote: It's also the truth, and you know it. If you are shot by scum tonight I will literally eat my hat. IRL. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Hqgo2.png) Blzinghand I want a vid of that :D | ||
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I am also going to sleep now. Im mostly caught up with the thread but im really tired now so ill need to reevaluate everything else in the morning. Night. | ||
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1) Waste the eternity of day 2 discussing you and your shit. 2) Potentially (Probably) wasting a lynch on you if you are town. 3) Gave scum tons of room to jump onto another easy wagon. I dont believe that you would not be able to see how bad this crap is you are town, and if you do flip town ill frankly be quite fustrated. I believe that you are scum trying to get a few people to switch off you in hopes of a no-lynch or give a mafia buddy or 2 an excuse to jump off the wagon forcing a nolynch. And that line of gibberish doesnt mean crap. | ||
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1) Their reasons for voting C_C day 1. Please, next to everyone sheeped VE. It doesnt matter that a few of them included some extra points onto their thoughts onto C_C, you cant tell wether they are misguided townie or mafia jumping on a wagon, not at this point at least. 2) Their reactions to his "scum claim". You claim scum and expect people to not vote you? Town will think you are scum and thus vote for your scummy ass to be lynched, and mafia will just jump on it. 3) Some other extra points, most of which I feel are really weak too. Honestly what you gave is more of a running commentary of each player's actions, and a one-liner coupled with a percentage. The conclusions you provide are weak and nearly non-exsistent. And is nemesis your strongest scum read? Really? Basically you think that him not wanting to take a stance on cc is "interesting", finds your meta off and wants to vote for you, and supposedly tries to make excuses for why mafia is supposedly on you when bussing is a perfectly valid tool that scum could utilize. This is not going to cut it. | ||
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On April 01 2012 01:57 MrZentor wrote: 1. We still have plenty of time left, and I would rather have less time with more information than more time with less information. 2. I think it's pretty obvious that I was acting for several reasons. a. I put in beforehand that I was going to act. b. I have never acted anywhere like that before. c. I refuse to believe anybody would be that idiotic. 3. Now that we have more information, we'll make sure it's a wagon that is more likely to lynch scum. To be honest, I don't see how anybody could actually think I wasn't acting given above, so I would be also frustrated to be lynched. Do you really think scum would be that bad and also have put something in beforehand to show that it's an act? 1) This is your point of view, we dont know wether your scum trying something really dumb or just a bad plan. I honestly dont see much information this excersie gave either way other than putting town on the (if your town) wrong track. 2) Scum could easily attempt some sort of bad plans, and resort to the typical "you rly think scum would be that dumb?" defense. 3) All I can see is a dumb, uneccessary mislynch if your town. | ||
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On April 01 2012 01:33 johnnywup wrote: great post zentor glad to see you contributing. could you explain why you:switched from gonzaw being obvious scum to him being only 42% scum? kept calling people idiots (were mr sinister)? nemesis, we pretty much are at mylo. 7 town vs 4 mafia, if we lynch a townie it'll be 5 town vs 4 mafia on d3 and that's unwinnable with anything short of a miracle will look into your nemesis vote and see what i think of him 1) MYLO means mislynch or lose. Yes, we are probably going to lose if today ends up with another mislynch bar some luck and great scumhunting on our part, but what MYLO means is the game ending immediately in a scum victory if a mislynch occurs. 2) So what do you think of nemesis now? | ||
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And for gods sake 5 hours isnt "plenty of time". | ||
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AND I SERIOUSLY STILL DONT SEE HOW MAKING A TOWN ALIGNED BANDWAGON WITHOUT YOU ACTUALLY FLIPPING IS GOING TO HELP US | ||
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On April 01 2012 02:26 zelblade wrote: Yes, quotes do make a case. But they are only a small part, the edvidence. What really matters is how you use these pieces of edvidence, detaling your thought processes on why these pieces of evidence show scummy behaviour. Your cases are basically 90% evidence, and 10% thoughts. Quotes are useless when you dont use them to push your views on why things are scummy. AND I SERIOUSLY STILL DONT SEE HOW MAKING A TOWN ALIGNED BANDWAGON WITHOUT YOU ACTUALLY FLIPPING IS GOING TO HELP US EBWOP: When I say town aligned bandwagon I mean wagon on a townie in case that wasnt clear. Excuse my poor english thanks. | ||
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I need to go sleep now, and will just leave my vote on zentor for obvious reasons. I highly doubt that I will be here for the deadline unless I randomly wake up at 6 or something. Night. | ||
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1) I dont think he will have the balls to do that as scum. 2) Zentor was playing (really) bad. 3) SU doctor happened to be the most convenient fake claim since it was a "confirmed" role. | ||
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I'll be looking into bluelightz more when I feel some motivation (probably tonight) | ||
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If they do though tomorrow definately claim, I dont care if you think you can push the targert without revealing, looking at the state of town right now I highly doubt you are going to convice 5/5 townies to follow you. | ||
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So johnny, who do you want to lynch tomorrow? I need to head out now, will take a closer look later | ||
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I generally agree with most of the points brought up in the case presented by sloosh. What I dont like particarly about him is his fixation on cccalf. He tunnels him all of day two, and constantly tries to push foward a cccalf lynch. What this has allowed him to do is to easily coast by, providing the barest of reads. Notice he doesnt actually hard push any of these, or do any actual analysis besides "oh they didnt attack cccalf" and "he sheeped me hes scum!". The only other things he has done besides hard push cccalf, dump some suspision here and there, is "defend" himself against nemesis, omgus a little against blzinghand, and goes off into retarded and useless discussion on how mafia managed to snipe blzing. Another thing is of course him "giving up". I dont buy it. If you are town you would still feel a sense of attachment to town, and would at the very least play it through. Look at what sloosh did even after leading a disatrious mislynch, getting heavily demotivated. Instead of "giving up", having a defeatist attitude, he quickly stands back up and pushes off his reads. Whilst I understand that not everyone might be that optimistic, his complete lack of care about the state of the game is horrendous. He KNOWS we arent going to lynch DYH today, and he is fine having to "die trying". Why? Because the game is pretty much won for him, because he knows he doesnt matter, because hes mafia. ##vote: Sinesis | ||
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Vote for sinesis please. | ||
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On April 02 2012 21:01 froggynoddy wrote: This logic is bad. We simply don't KNOW about 3C/DYH, whilst we DO have information on other players which makes them better lynch targets than DYH. That does not mean DYH isn't scum, just less likely to be with the information we have at this time. It could be just very clever scum play to tunnel an inactive scum player (WIFOM), though to me it still seems more likely that he's just picking the easiest alternative. Yes it could be a clever scum play, but I highly doubt it. There was no reason to create a secondary wagon on a scumbuddy during day 2 when there was a perfectly fine lynch (for mafia at least) in zentor. I believe the reason why cccalf was pushed day 2 by who I believe to be scum is simply because it would have given them easy cred as well as setting up for an easy day 3 mislynch in cccalf and thus the game, although this probably failed due to what zentor did. As such, based on how day 2 played out, I highly doubt that cccalf is scum, assuming sin does flip scum of course. | ||
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On April 02 2012 23:16 Bluelightz wrote: ##Vote: Sinensis I am voting sinensis for the plethora of reasons(not taking stances voting for the easiest targets, etc) I will try and be more active when I can but my wifi didn't get fixed :/ Assuming sin does flip scum today and the game goes on to tomorrow, who would be your no.1 lynch targert? | ||
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The lynch is basically locked in at this point, but if you are town still vote for sinesis please. We are not risking some sort of mass vote switch at the end of the day. | ||
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We have got 2 scum locked down I believe, now all thats left to worry about is the last two (and the mafia alt win con.. but no point mulling over it). I need to go look through fliters and stuff again tomorrow but I feel that the last 2 scum are ET and froggy. | ||
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On April 03 2012 01:07 Bluelightz wrote: @zelblade, you said you wanted a detailed write-up....... And I can't be in two tabs with a black berry. Anyway, short answer is gonzawbecause he never fully escalates from posting I.e me is scummy. I can make a more detailed explanation once my wifi gets fixed...... Now that your wifi is fixed could you post your case and thoughts? | ||
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Sorry for my horrible play =( | ||
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