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MrZentor
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I have a ton of extra time for the next week and a half, because of spring break. | ||
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Even in the unlikely scenario that I don't manage to get myself killed in either or both games, I'm sure I'll be able to stay active in both.  | ||
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Hi people! I'm MrZentors! I have never posted first, so I have no idea what to do. | ||
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On March 27 2012 07:17 VisceraEyes wrote: Cool guys, am I really one of the only "vets" in this game? ATTENTION SCUM! IT WILL BE IN YOUR BEST INTEREST TO PUT ME ON THE BACK FOOT IMMEDIATELY! IF YOU ATTEMPT TO HIDE I WILL FIND YOU! That being said, I'm in favor of lynching a lurker if we can't find a good scum candidate (fat chance) and I'm not in favor of lynching "liars". Lynching is for killing scum, not for punishing "bad play". "But VE, isn't lynching a lurker the same thing as lynching to punish bad play?" No kind sir, lurking isn't just bad play...lurking is a very viable strategy that scum often employ to hide. For my part, I'll be keeping my eye on C_C and to a lesser extent BH due to them being among the only names I recognize as players who have played more than like 2 games here. This is one of the first games I've played where the average experience level is so low...so I'm probably not going to be on the offensive as much this game...but I make no guarantees. I agree that lynching lurkers should be a last option, but I think whether we lynch the liar or not should really rely on the situation. | ||
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We should still lynch a lurker if we have no leads, because it's better to lynch an inactive townie than an active one. | ||
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On March 27 2012 10:36 slOosh wrote: You seem to forget mafia's second wincon which allows them to win should one faction (US or SU) be eliminated. Could you explain your previous / current stance on lynching in light of this information? Also, do you really think it is feasible that we can kill a few mafia and still have absolutely no leads that we should default to lynching lurkers? I don't really see how that changes things. If we don't threaten to lynch lurkers, a lot more harm will be done than if we kill one or two lurkers, even if they are town. If we see that 3/5 of the US townies are dead, we can vote for a no lynch, but until then, I think it's important to threaten lurkers with the possibility of a lynch to promote a good townie environment. I will admit that it's unlikely that we won't have leads after lynching a few mafia, but it's important to take in all possible outcomes, in spite of the probability of them actually occurring. | ||
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On March 27 2012 18:32 Bluelightz wrote: Reads, Reads! Blazinghand ---> Catapaulted to very sure is townie from his recent posting(Active, Pressuring people, etc) and being funny and awesome in starcraft ^_^ Some random summaries MrZentor --> Has been following Discussion, has not provided any reads, I'd love some reads from him. gonzaw --> Has followed discussion, setup speculation, I'd love some reads and more content from him . ET --> Townie, has followed discussion pressed people to post, preety townie C_C ---> Needs to step up, he has nothing of substance, has not taken a stance on anything yet, I want reads, willing to lynch depending on what he post's next. Sorry, I have been dreaming. Anyways, here are a few of my thoughts. BH seems like a rash townie, who is fairly good a pressuring. However, he doesn't seem able to discern a noobie town from scum. JW seems like a noobie town, who did the wrong thing under pressure and is now realizing this. C_C looks a little suspicious because of his first post, but I feel that people are reading too far into that. VE seems to be promoting a good townie environment and being a lot calmer than BH. I am most afraid of him being scum, because if he were, I would never know. Those are a few thoughts on the biggest players. To be honest, I don't feel there is anybody worth analyzing yet, and there isn't much to analyze. | ||
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On March 27 2012 23:00 Bluelightz wrote: Zentor, since your here, What is your read on EchelonTee? *cough* you're *cough* EchelonTee seems to be behaving rather erratically. He starts by being helpful and explaining how he would treat the game. On March 27 2012 10:14 EchelonTee wrote: honestly I am treating this game like a standard Mini Mafia, with the knowledge that there is probably a few doods with nukes or powers revolving around nukes. AKA, re-skinned medics/vigs. and if there's anything I learned from minis, it's that there's always scum hiding in the lurkers. In general I'll always argue against policy lynches (because they're bad) but in a Mini, with so few people town simply cannot afford to have non-contributors whose alignment cannot be determined. People lurking scummily (yeah there's a difference between innocent lurking and scummily lurking) should be axed over someone with only a weak case on them. gonzaw! shouldn't you be spamming the thread by now? He continues his good townie streak by questioning BH's play with reasons. On March 27 2012 12:59 EchelonTee wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 27 2012 12:39 Blazinghand wrote: 1) the idea that the town should take a stance is not good. Individually, we should make our own stances and developed them with the discussion 3) discussion of policy lynches implies they are important. I believe they are important insofar as we use them in an appropriate faction. It seems to me that your statements are unnecessarily aggressive and are hurting the town atmosphere. Your removal will help the town greatly and improve our discourse. In any case, I think this will be appropriate: ##Vote: Sinensis When you wake up I expect some actually helpful posts. Actually, I expect an OMGUS, but ideally you'd make some helpful posts. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/FIZjv.gif) come at me bro preface: this aint no chainsaw blzinghand, I feel that you're being the unnecessarily aggressive one here. first you say it's bad that nemesis is using policy as a centerpiece for lynching, then you state it's bad that nemesis says policy lynch discussion isn't important? your arguement doesn't flow. and dude, you misread his original post; he's saying "town should take stance" as in townies should each have their own stance. ur being all flashy and stuff. is this normal BH? + Show Spoiler + where do you get your gifs? He then starts to go crazy. On March 27 2012 13:15 EchelonTee wrote: blzinghand i think you talking craAAAzzzy, and not the crazy I like. I mean just look at this nonsensical post + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/z8LzZ.gif) Blazinghand: I thought you went to sleep. Nemesis: I was just checking thr- Blazinghand: He lied!! Townies never wake back up!! Lynch!!! Jubjubs (chanting): It makes so much sense! He then transitions from crazy back to normal good townie in this post. On March 27 2012 14:09 EchelonTee wrote: TAKE ON SOMEONE YOUR OWN SIZE BUB ##vote: Blazinghand Being good at arguing doesn't make you town. At this point you're just wildly voting people. Sowing dat chaos. Way to take the one off statement in his post and ignore the rest. You're voting people off of semantic mistakes as opposed to having any real reasoning, so thread flounders under your boot. As you might say, this kind of thinking hurts town. Scum. He does this a few times throughout his posts. To be honest, I can't decide if this is town or mafia behavior. He could be a town who is mixing BH's and VE's styles. He could be scum trying to make it seem like he is helping town while sowing chaos. I'll let somebody else decide. :/ | ||
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On March 27 2012 23:38 zelblade wrote: Guys I think that we have found our first nazi here. Here MrZentor corrects bluelightz's grammar, basically acting like a grammar nazi. I think our first scum just claimed. LYNCHHHHHHHHHHHH I prefer the title of "grammar enthusiast". | ||
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On March 27 2012 23:43 VisceraEyes wrote: zel and Zentor - discussing town-reads is like, COOL and everything...but I'd like to use our time to find scum if you don't mind. Townhunting is more effective late-game when there are fewer people to speculate about. You two need to post your thoughts on my case against C_C in detail and give your thoughts on my other scum-read gonzaw. I never said he was town; I merely discussed his erratic style. I do agree that his initial accusation looks suspicious. The flag is really bizarre, because I couldn't imagine posting it as mafia or towns person. If I were mafia, why would I call attention to myself with a conspicuous flag? If I were a towns person, why would I give the mafia a hint at my nationality? Currently, he does seem like the scummiest player, because of the subtle accusation accompanied with his other posts. Gonzaw's first post is really strange, not only because of the weird spacing (Is he trying to make it seem like he posted more information than he has?), but also because of the don't state your nationality thing. To be honest, I think this was obvious to anybody who read the first post. It seems like he is trying to make it look like he has contributed more information than he actually has. On March 27 2012 11:24 gonzaw wrote: Got back from uni. Let's hunt some nazis. I doubt I need to ask 100 questions to everybody, considering this is a smaller game, so don't worry about that too much. I'll try not to "hurt your eyes" this time  I think it's obvious that nobody likes lurkers, but lurking alone doesn't mean they should be lynched immediately. It just means you need to call them out, make them contribute, and put them under more scrutiny than other players, since they can easily fly unnoticed. @VE: I have to agree with johnny here, why do you prod someone about taking stances 1 post into the game? Even as pressure that doesn't seem very helpful. Also, I'd recomend nobody even slightly hint what nationality they are from. As far as I know, town don't get ANY information whatsoever if someone is US or SU, but scum can use that info to try and get their alternative win-con. So no nationality claims, nor any hint to them. If you have to claim just claim your role and nothing else. He then posts a really suspicious post that goes along these lines. There might be a non mafia role that depends on the target player's nationality. HOW WOULD I KNOW I'M NOT MAFIA I'M A NORMAL TOWNIE STOP LOOKING AT ME I doubt there is such a thing out there, and even if it exists, it doesn't change anything, so I just wasted a bunch of time talking about it. On March 27 2012 12:10 gonzaw wrote: There may be a hidden town role out there that functions depending if its target is US or SU, or depending on how many there are of each. Maybe there's a mason that can only recruit US players. Maybe there's a medic that can only save SU ones. How would I know if I wasn't one of these roles myself? The point is that I doubt there may be a role like that out there, and if there is it won't do us much good, at least to counteract the advantages scum get by nationality-claiming. His last post doesn't seem nearly as suspicious as his first two. He is either a nooby town or a nooby mafia, and it's really hard to tell which. I think it would be better to lynch C_C for now. | ||
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On March 28 2012 01:17 VisceraEyes wrote: The italicized I disagree with. Here's why. Think about why he's posting it. I'll post it here for convenience. Look at the size of this post sir. Take a good look at it. Now see if you can tell me after reading it again who gonzaw thinks is scum. + Show Spoiler [My Guess] + You can't If you can, it's because you're assuming something based on what he says, but he never actually says that he thinks anyone is scum. Is he suspicious of me? His post seems to be mildly discrediting me (unclear of the point of my posts, asking if it has helped though not apparently interested in the results, negative language like "pointless" and "dwelled"). Not to mention the fact that it's clear that he's not even reading the thread fully, which I'm assuming because he commented @me but didn't comment on my largest contribution OR my vote so far. He's dancing around issues that should matter to actual townies, while spreading doubt simultaneously (read: BH, VE, Blue, ET). This is the most suspicious post he's made so far MrZentor. What do you think about that? I will admit that it is more suspicious than I thought it was, but I still think the second post I cited is the most suspicious. I want to hear what C_C has to say about him posting posting the flag. | ||
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On March 28 2012 02:10 gonzaw wrote: I'm trying to figure out if you are doing this on purpose or not. I think some people said you acted like this in C9++ too, but really, this is very bad. Yes, I didn't say who I thought was scum at that moment, because I didn't think anyone was scum at that point. This is Day 1, and only 10 or so hours had passed since the day started. I needed more info to make up my mind, and I thought ET and Blue's behaviour was suspicious so I asked them some questions (I'd like ET to respond as soon as he can as well). Do you seriously think I'm scum because I didn't think anyone was scum at that point? That's a very shitty reasoning. Does this mean that because you FOSed someone 1 hour into the game this makes you confirmed town or something? And no, I'm not spreading doubt, I'm asking people for responses which I'm awaiting. If you were any other player, you would be suspicious as fuck; but I know that you have this weird playstyle as town just like BH. You are being very active and pushing people, even though you don't make much sense with some issues. You made some sense regarding the BH vs jhonny issue, which is why at the moment I think you are just rushing things through and making bad cases. And what do you mean by this?: I don't think I "danced around" anything. @Zentor: So you said my post wasn't that suspicious, and now you say it was more suspicious than you thought. Again, did you suddenly change your mind just because of VE's post? Could you stop sheeping and tell us exactly what you think about that post I made? I also want your thoughts on Bluelightz. @sloosh: Good that you are here. Would you mind posting your thoughts on this issue about me? Do you think I'm scum or not? He pointed out that it was suspicious. I agreed. I told you what I think about that post you made. So far, Bluelightz looks pro town. | ||
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On March 28 2012 02:48 gonzaw wrote: @Nemensis: Was that directed at me? Either way I'll answer it nevertheless. I'm waiting for the responses for Blue and Zentor. If none of them respond, or respond very badly, I'd want them lynched, but I'm waiting for both to respond first. If C_C doesn't come here and post his thoughts before the day ends, then he's not a bad lynch either. I'm having some doubts about other players, and I'd want their responses before posting my thoughts on them. PRE-EDIT: @Zentor: No you didn't. Here is the only part where you referenced it: You never said why it wasn't as suspicious as the other ones, even though you think I'm scum. And now you don't say why now suddenly you think it's suspicious as well, other than saying "I agree with VE". One more thing, before you said this about VE: Which means you have doubts about his alignment. However, you now decide to take everything he says as true without hesitation, which is the opposite of being "afraid" of him What exactly about Blue's behaviour is pro-town to you? PRE-EDIT2: Do I have to repeat myself? Reread my posts if you want to see my stance on him and your vote on him. When did I imply anything like that? I always have said since the beginning of dawn in TL that discussion about lurkers, policy lynch, etc is useless to determine someone's alignment. In my games I just post 1 paragraph about it to get it over with and deal with other stuff. Why would you even say something like that if it is obvious I never said nor implied something similar? I'd be willing to vote for him if he lurks througout the whole day, and doesn't post anything or posts anything of no value. Basicly, I'll vote for him if his future behaviour is scummy. I don't find him any more suspicious than say ccalf/Sinensis/players that haven't posted too much since. Do I need to tell you everything? I thought you were smarter than that. I thought it was obvious that the players I'm pressuring, and asking everybody questions about them are the ones I'm suspicious of. What, do you want me to make a list about who's "suspicious" and who isn't or something? I won't do what you want. I want responses, and when I get them I'll assess who is most likely scum and vote for him. I won't try to "prove you wrong" by sheeping you. If my defense so far isn't good enough for you, well, tough luck, I hope other players think otherwise. Anyways VE, what do you think about Blue and Zentor? You only asked what I thought of it, not why I thought what I thought of it. I think it's suspicious for the reasons VE has stated. It wasn't as suspicious as the second one I cited, because in that one it seems like you're scared of us thinking you're mafia. It's suspicious that everybody in this thread has ideas on who is scum, except for you. Actually, I analyze everything VE says, and, so far, I've agreed with *almost* everything he has said. Some townie stuff Blue has done. On March 27 2012 18:32 Bluelightz wrote: Reads, Reads! Blazinghand ---> Catapaulted to very sure is townie from his recent posting(Active, Pressuring people, etc) and being funny and awesome in starcraft ^_^ Some random summaries MrZentor --> Has been following Discussion, has not provided any reads, I'd love some reads from him. gonzaw --> Has followed discussion, setup speculation, I'd love some reads and more content from him . ET --> Townie, has followed discussion pressed people to post, preety townie C_C ---> Needs to step up, he has nothing of substance, has not taken a stance on anything yet, I want reads, willing to lynch depending on what he post's next. On March 27 2012 23:00 Bluelightz wrote: Zentor, since your here, What is your read on EchelonTee? On March 27 2012 23:19 Bluelightz wrote: Hmm VE Good Point, Gonna read some others though, as for my scum read, what do you think of cccalf's response to my post? On March 27 2012 23:30 Bluelightz wrote: I don't like his posts, his first post has lots of fluff( I might say but I'm not so sure on this one). his second is setup speculation, it takes TWO posts to get his point out and clear >_>?, wait a sec on his 3rd post still thinking about On March 27 2012 23:46 Bluelightz wrote: Alright guys gonna go sleep for tonight, cya in the morning  as a summary, C_C and cccalf, and possibly gonzaw I will vote for if you guys want to lynch him in the morning when I wake up, other lynch candidates I will review before voting.He stated his reads on a bunch of people, asked questions, stated who he will vote for and why Gonzaw, why was your spacing so strange on your first post? | ||
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I'm voting for reasons I explained very early in the thread. | ||
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On March 29 2012 21:51 gonzaw wrote: Had you even read the thread by that point? Why did you vote him and not another one? Generally when one makes a placeholder vote, you make it on yourself or on a random person, which clearly wasn't the case. What were your reasons for voting C_C? Just because he had the majority? If so, can't you see how bad that is? So what do you think about other players and cases against other players? What do you think about my case against Blue and Zentor? Final question: Why shouldn't a vig just shoot you tonight? You need to become way more active and contribute more than this if you want to even help us. You've already skated by 1 whole cycle, we can't allow you to do the same on D2. What case against me? I wasn't aware of this injustice! | ||
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Either way, I don't like it. | ||
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On March 30 2012 02:28 slOosh wrote: I would also like to bring up MrZentor as a lynch candidate. gonzaw has brought up some decent stuff in his case here. But I found him suspicious for different things so I'll address that now. The context is very important here. Please read the posts surrounding his instead of just the filter. This is written on page 12, after VE posted his initial case on CC and much after CC posted his first post containing the "accusation" and the flag. Then comes a couple of pages of discussion on gonzaw, bluelightz, ET and such. Nothing but one post from Nemesis, who comments the "lack of stance" as suspicious. Watch MrZentor's next post: There is nothing in the thread itself discussing the flag itself. There is no new public content in between his first post in which he says "people are reading too much into his initial post", and "his initial post looks suspicious". He agrees that the flag is really bizarre but did not mention it in his first post - taking a very neutral stance if you will. Then suddenly he agrees with VE that the flag is indeed bizarre, despite the fact that no one has talked about it. He also throws in the bogus last line, indicating that his subtle accusation is also evidence against him, despite the fact that "people are reading too much into his initial post". Verdict: MrZentor initially took a neutral stance, and after observation of how the town reacted to the case decided to help push it along. The lack of public thread discussion and the sharp contrast in his stance against CC suggests that he has talked to other people about it (read. scum buddies). Also his initial post suggesting town lynch lurkers after hitting a few scum is downright weird. I thought one thing and posted another. :/ I meant to say that people were reading too far into the flag on his first post. It was bizarre, but it really didn't tell us anything about C_C, so it was best to ignore it. It is important to note C_C's underhanded accusation of VE. It seemed like a scummy action. | ||
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You guys are really going easy on the mafia; I am starting to see what VE was so angry. | ||
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On March 30 2012 10:43 Nemesis wrote: No one has even voted you yet. -_- Also, you seriously can't find the case against you? You must be quite bad at reading. Here I'll link it for you Clicky Oh yes, he criticizes me for defending Bluelightz. | ||
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On March 30 2012 11:00 Nemesis wrote: Zentor, is that all you have to say? Read it again as to why people actually find you scummy. He posts a 2 page essay on you, and the only thing you read was you defending bluelightz? Also, he's just mad because I know he's scum. | ||
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The only thing to decide is if Nemesis is his scum buddy or retarded. Probably both. | ||
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On March 30 2012 11:15 gonzaw wrote: That Day post really sucked. Why would scum risk using the nuke on N1? Here's what you don't get. I noticed his odd style of play on Aperture, and I was right. What does this mean? That that style of play is his scum play. He played Aperture AFTER Mr Wiggles mini Mafia II (I think I'm right though). I can't tell you more than yes, the styles are VERY similar, and the way he posted (remember, he starts making town reads out of a sudden, doesn't act confident, ignores my case against him in the beginning) was similar too. I find it strange how nobody can see the similarities. *sigh* Okay people, if ANY of you wants to lynch Blue, then I'll be 100% on it, but it seems I can't convince anyone to vote him not even in 72 hours or so. I find his unusual fixation with killing cccalf, someone totally inactive, suspicious as well. He just went against him since the beginning, and that would be pretty easy on someone that didn't have any posts. Either way, cccalf, if you don't contribute anything worthwhile this D2 you should hang, I'm amazed how no vig shot him yesterday. I am suspicious of Sinensis. I noticed his lack of commitment and activity, and found it suspicious. BH and others made some other points I hadn't considered by that point, he's a good candidate for a lynch as well. However, I think there are a few other people more likely to flip mafia. One is Blue, but I guess nobody will be convinced of him being scum by now, so I'll try and spend my efforts hunting the remaining scum and urge you all to take a VERY CLOSE look at Blue, and see when and how he posts his thoughts, seeing if he tries to fly under the radar, etc. Another guy that should die is this one: Okay, this guy is not even taking this seriously anymore. You don't even attempt to defend yourself, NOR post anything constructive, post any other thoughts of your own, NOTHING. Just die for christ's sake. ##Vote: MrZentor I like how you say I don't defend myself after quoting a post in which I defend myself. Let me interpret this post. dusfgpiutserlnmgszrbcwidanfioftlnldhtubmhnrnoeozneeoniaushfdIAMSCUMLYNCHMRZadsjfioajdsfdoijioasdfggghtrtrjgsdgfafsdxjn | ||
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On March 30 2012 12:02 gonzaw wrote: Why don't you post cases against those players and me? So far this Day 2 you have just been defending yourself and bickered with Nemensis, you haven't posted any cases, or thorough reads or thoughts. Froggy is scum just because he "sheeped" you? When, where, how? Point out his post, call him out, post more thoughts about him. ....is this a joke? Saying "Oh yes, he criticizes me for defending Bluelightz." is a defense? Really? Who do you expect will buy this bullshit? *sigh* Okay people, I want people to post their thoughts on this. Froggy, jhonny, ET, zelblade, Blue, etc, tell me what you think about Zentor, and tell me if you would be okay lynching him or not. It's not my fault you are a retarded scum that doesn't know what a defense is. On March 30 2012 14:17 slOosh wrote: His actual read on CC? The thing that was just said to be only bizarre but something to be ignored, is actually the crux of his read on CC. Inconsistencies are a huge scum tell and MrZentor have been caught in one. Plus he is downright trolling gonzaw right now, and showing absolutely no effort in scumhunting. Read his two other games (where he is town aligned) - much more content, much more purpose. ##Vote MrZentor Rofl, I have been just waiting for an idiot to say this. Because a lot of people were talking about the flag, I had to show them why it was unhelpful and should be ignored; I was also showing why it wasn't part of my case. I also like how you bolded everything but the most important part: "Currently, he does seem like the scummiest player, because of the subtle accusation accompanied with his other posts." I explicitly state the crux of my argument and why I'm ignoring part of the "evidence" other people were using. And you think the evidence I'm ignoring is the crux of my arguement? Scum or idiot? | ||
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On March 31 2012 01:52 gonzaw wrote: I won't let you derail the discussion with ad hominems and misdirections Get serious or I'm ignoring you until you die. The point is that is the only time you mention C_C. And that was at the beginning of Day 1, and only dwelled with C_C's first posts. You never stated what you thought about C_C's newer posts, you never stated what you thought about his case on Blue and if you thought his new actions made him more scummy or not. Your reasons for voting C_C were ONLY based on his first 3-4 posts, and you completely disregarded his later ones Zentor, could you even try to care about this game? You call everybody that accuses you "Scum or idiot/stupid?", you don't defend yourself against the points I brought up, and you didn't respond before in N1 either. You don't even try to post your thoughts on other people, or pressure anybody: You haven't voted yet, so what are you waiting for? Who will you vote? Wtf are you doing if it's not trying to figure out who is scum, and vote them if you think they are? You are just coasting and trolling everybody. I guess your scumteam thinks they've already won by killing both VE and BH, right? This place is deserted atm people, that's bad. I'm still expecting other players thoughts on Zentor, and hopefully their votes. What do you think about my case on him? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=322686¤tpage=28#547 @ET: So, do you think I'm scum or not? You haven't answered that question from mine before. Scum calling me scum. lolololololol | ||
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On March 31 2012 02:56 zelblade wrote: Sorry for my dissapearance, some IRL stuff came up. Regarding today's lynch and its candidates. cccalf is basically either 1) lurking scum, or 2) newb/busy town who doesnt really care much about the game. Either way, there is no way to discern his alignment from the complete lack of content he has posted. He is a ok lynch, one that I wouldnt mind supporting. He has had plenty of time to redeem himself for his lurkiness, and yet hasnt done so. Saving him for a vigi shot would be a better idea than lynching him here imo, but the primary problem is that we might not have one. Zentor on the other hand.. Gonzaw makes several interesting points against him. Look at zentor's reactions to this case. He flips, calls everyone attacking him scum, and basically starts to not give a shit about the game. I seriously doubt a townie would react this way to be honest. I expect a townie to respond to the points, take a look at the agurement presented at the very least. All zentor does is post ridiculous crap and sums up the case against him as "I defended bluelightz". Which is why: ##vote: MrZentor ![[image loading]](http://informedfarmers.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/sheep.jpg) | ||
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On March 31 2012 03:40 gonzaw wrote: So why don't you even vote me....? Oh, I will. | ||
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On March 31 2012 04:31 gonzaw wrote: So what are you waiting for? Are you waiting to see if a bandwagon against me forms first, so you can jump on it later? Are you waiting to see if you can vote for someone else later? Don't be silly. I just want you to fear the future. | ||
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On March 31 2012 07:20 EchelonTee wrote: Discussion is really, really dead... scum would probably only be ok with this if we were going in a nubular direction. sloosh, nemesis, would you be willing to lynch cccalf? people are saying "let someone vig him", which implies there is a consensus that he is scum, but the only person attempting a push is Bluelightz. and what if there isn't a vig T_T No, it means that he's useless to town. ![[image loading]](http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kya09wJi0S1qzxzwwo1_500.png) | ||
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MrZentor
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On March 31 2012 07:33 EchelonTee wrote: no, MrZentor you are not blzinghand you don't get to post images. especially when you're playing super derp. Some people think cccalf is merely "useless town". others think that he should "definitely die" soon. others think that he is scummy (me, at the least). no one thinks that he is a hapless townie. Comparatively, I think sinensis is a hapless townie. cccalf would be an easy bandwagon kill, for scum. there is a consensus that he should "die" for some reason, and it wouldn't be hard to start a push. yet there's some strange resistance against just killing him outright. There is nearly zero reason to think cccalf is town. any reason you don't want cccalf axed, MrZ? Yeah, he's my scum buddy. | ||
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MrZentor
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What this means is he isn't taking it a seriously because he thinks he's already won. Because he's scum and is way ahead now .I would repost the picture of Mufasa, but I think it's self evident how stupid you are. | ||
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On March 31 2012 08:00 johnnywup wrote: all you've done is call people idiots. you havent defended yourself nor given any good reasons why gonzaw is scum (thats the only person i see you scumhunting). So why the fuck are we the idiots? And who are the OBVIOUS scum for OBVIOUS reasons? -_- It's amazing how you can answer your own questions. | ||
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MrZentor
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On March 31 2012 08:08 johnnywup wrote: i have looked at his posts and i don't see anything. I keep asking for you to explain it but you don't. FFS. you're almost definitely getting lynched at this rate so i'd just cooperate if i were you. I highly doubt that even you idiots would lynch me. | ||
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MrZentor
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On March 31 2012 23:50 Nemesis wrote: Everyone who isn't already in zentor, make sure that you are on during the lynch. Just in case scum decide to pull a quick one on us and pull a no lynch. Johnny, we're not at MYLO yet. Scum. | ||
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MrZentor
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Here is what I'm going to do in this post. 1) Explain why I acted like a scum. 2) Prove that I was merely acting. 3) Make an in depth analysis on each living person and rate their scumminess from 1 to 100! 4) Vote for the scummiest person and party. Hello people! I'm sorry I had to leave you with MrSinister for the last 48ish hours, but I felt it was necessary to create a second bandwagon on an innocent person to compare the people's reactions and to find scum! Unfortunately, the first bandwagon killed an innocent person! How could I create a second bandwagon but spare the person, so that I could get a more accurate read on people? I could act like an evil, trolling scum but leave a hint in one of my posts that it was all an act! Brilliant!! On March 30 2012 11:50 MrZentor wrote: I like how you say I don't defend myself after quoting a post in which I defend myself. Let me interpret this post. dusfgpiutserlnmgszrbcwidanfioftlnldhtubmhnrnoeozneeoniaushfdIAMSCUMLYNCHMRZadsjfioajdsfdoijioasdfggghtrtrjgsdgfafsdxjn I felt pretty clever disguising the hint so well. What does piutserlnmgszrbcwidanfioftlnldhtubmhnrnoeozneeon mean? Well, if I put it in my unscramble machine, it says pretendingtobemadroflzorzthiswillbesomuchfunnnnn. I should have probably should have made it "pretending to be scum" not mad, but you get the gist. The opinions expressed by Mr. Sinister do not necessarily represent the opinions of Mr. Zentors. Also, I feel really bad for calling a bunch of people idiotic or retarded, so I found a picture of a kitten! ![[image loading]](http://www.plvet.co.uk/project/uploaded-media/kitten-big.jpg) Awwwwwwwwww! EchelonTee One of the first things I noticed about ET's was how he smoothly transitions from being serious to being relaxed. This shows that he wants to catch scum and have a good time. On March 28 2012 06:31 EchelonTee wrote: what does "being a new Jackal" mean in context of froggy's posting? oh and ur doing that thing where u call everyone townie. would be more helpful if you focused on your scum reads tyvm ^^ response to ppls about my posting: 1. after I tanked hard in my last town game trying to play "serious aggresive asshole town leader", i'm looking for a new, hopefully less fail-whale town playstyle and you guys are the lucky testing grounds. problem? I'm being way more clear with my "weird wording" than you and you big posts. 2. uhhh you didn't really comment anything about me at all lol. all you did was list a bunch of my posts, noting that one of them was more crAAAzy than the others. however the content of that post is part of an ongoing line of thought on BH. just b/c i posted a gif doesn't make my arguements erratic. It's also really suspect that you say "I'll let somebody else decide". TAKE A STANCE, BE A MAN 3. so essentially you're saying that my play this game is different from my scum play and my town play. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/35/CaptainObvious.jpg) if my posting starts sowing chaos or makes me sound unclear go ahead and call me out brudder, but at the moment your logic don't make sense. Unfortunately, he doesn't have many of his own reasons for voting C_C but uses reasons from other people. On March 29 2012 04:41 EchelonTee wrote: bleh. RL slapped me HARD in the face, apologies for rampant lurking blah blah blah sozzzz I'm on board with C_C lynch; he's had ample time to respond to stuff and he has never rly adequately addressed this wombo combo post, which I largely agree with. ##Vote: Cyber_Cheese Other than that, cccalf is the only who was not voting besides me. that's no good brody, whether inentionally or nonintentionally that level of super lurking is rly scummy. Don't like gonzaw. VE dyou actually think I'm scum or are you just being teh jokr? you and BH are flopping all over the palce on your opinions. sometimes I'm scum, sometimes you guys fling mud at each other, sometimes you guys are CT buddies (CS image). And I just noticed that when you voted for me here you spelled my name wrong. so.... wat? His over exaggeration after the day post makes me think he wants to make it look like he's surprised. On March 30 2012 07:03 EchelonTee wrote: WHAT THE FACK AHHHHHHHHHHHHH On March 30 2012 08:00 EchelonTee wrote: my reaction to day post+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://holeleesheet.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/wtf.gif?w=535) i was so sure of a VE+jwup scum partnership.... WIFOM mode engage: killing VE is the last thing a scum jwup would want to do; ve was one of his only supporters. mr. wup going on the backburner personally He also only makes a case against me after being prompted by somebody else, but he did have suspicions beforehand and his reasons are original. On March 30 2012 14:26 EchelonTee wrote: speaking of MrZ's vote: Correct me if I'm wrong: MrZ mentions C_C only 3 times. what does he say? then he votes yayyyyyyyy!!!!!! ....yeah that's not fishy at all. it's not like MrZ jumped on teh bandwagon with the loosest facest case known to mankind Other stuff that MrZ has done: Call my posting weird but make no comment on it: click Make gigantic contentless posts that make his filter look big, but they're even more sparse than gonzaw's posts: what the What happens if you compare C3 and MrZ? While MrZ has posted more and you might be fooled that the dude has been contributing, let's take a look. 1. voted C_C with little to 0 reason 2. make no concrete stances on anything 3. don't respond to accusations except MrZ uses a few more posts to lurk. This, ma friends, is what we call active lurking. as in lurking to hide, hide from the lynch, the lynch that'll take down scum this cycle! Overall, I think he is 58% scum. He has done some helpful things, but it's important to keep an eye on him. Bluelightz After further review, I don't think was nearly as pro town on day 1 as I originally thought he was. On March 28 2012 07:59 Bluelightz wrote: I said I'm going to vote either CC, gonzaw, or cccalf so, ##Vote: Cyber_Cheese IF we DONT want to lynch Cyber_Cheese, I would like to lynch cccalf, this guy has NO substance whatsoever, This guy needs to die. His only real reason is this. He is mostly convinced by other people's posts. On March 27 2012 18:32 Bluelightz wrote: Reads, Reads! Blazinghand ---> Catapaulted to very sure is townie from his recent posting(Active, Pressuring people, etc) and being funny and awesome in starcraft ^_^ Some random summaries MrZentor --> Has been following Discussion, has not provided any reads, I'd love some reads from him. gonzaw --> Has followed discussion, setup speculation, I'd love some reads and more content from him . ET --> Townie, has followed discussion pressed people to post, preety townie C_C ---> Needs to step up, he has nothing of substance, has not taken a stance on anything yet, I want reads, willing to lynch depending on what he post's next. Unfortunately, BL hasn't commented on me being scum, except for this very early post. On March 30 2012 07:51 Bluelightz wrote: I just noticed Zentor''s filter...Zentor started out sharing his read and stuff but his last 3 post's dont have much substance. gonzaw is scummy from the points VE brought up yesterday. He spends most of the rest of his posts defending himself. On March 31 2012 08:57 Bluelightz wrote: Okay I admit, I made many contradictions >_> have buddied VE on d1, on the vote switch I didn't understand that >.<, but, have I done anything to help town? I shared my reads, tried to start discussion, have added to discussion, etc I believe C3 has a better chance of flipping scum therefore I will keep my vote on him. Because he had no real case against C_C day one and sheeped VE, I think he is 77% scum. MrZentor After being lazy day one, he saw he had set himself for being scum and making a bandwagon against himself. In short, he's awesome. Gonzaw I posted a case on him pretty early in the thread. + Show Spoiler + On March 28 2012 00:31 MrZentor wrote: I never said he was town; I merely discussed his erratic style. I do agree that his initial accusation looks suspicious. The flag is really bizarre, because I couldn't imagine posting it as mafia or towns person. If I were mafia, why would I call attention to myself with a conspicuous flag? If I were a towns person, why would I give the mafia a hint at my nationality? Currently, he does seem like the scummiest player, because of the subtle accusation accompanied with his other posts. Gonzaw's first post is really strange, not only because of the weird spacing (Is he trying to make it seem like he posted more information than he has?), but also because of the don't state your nationality thing. To be honest, I think this was obvious to anybody who read the first post. It seems like he is trying to make it look like he has contributed more information than he actually has. He then posts a really suspicious post that goes along these lines. There might be a non mafia role that depends on the target player's nationality. HOW WOULD I KNOW I'M NOT MAFIA I'M A NORMAL TOWNIE STOP LOOKING AT ME I doubt there is such a thing out there, and even if it exists, it doesn't change anything, so I just wasted a bunch of time talking about it. His last post doesn't seem nearly as suspicious as his first two. He is either a nooby town or a nooby mafia, and it's really hard to tell which. I think it would be better to lynch C_C for now. He find C_C suspicious early on. I'll only quote a section of his post, because it's huge. C_C hasn't posted anything of value yet, or basicly didn't post at all since some hours after the game started. You don't find scum by the 1st posts that only dwell on policy lynches, debate about lurkers, about general town strategy, etc. Anybody can post any opinion about those subjects, both scum and town, so it's entirely useless to use them as an indicator of alignment. I'll wait for him to come and post his thoughts, voting for him now is kind of pointless to be honest. If he goes AWOL and lurking like in Aperture though, I wouldn't mind killing him. He decides to switch to C_C, because nobody is voting BL. Anyways, this is pointless, I can't believe everybody is just assuming Bluelightz is town with almost no reason at all. Killing C_C isn't bad either, once he was called out he hasn't contributed anything at all, and when he did he did so poorly. I don't think he's town so I'm willing to lynch him to avoid NL. I'm going to uni in a few minutes, and won't be back until a few hours after the lynch, so I'll change my vote now. Still people, I'm not convinced by you guy's defense on Blue, I suggest you check him out again. I still want responses from ET/sloosh/Zentor/BH/etc. ##Unvote: Bluelightz ##Vote: Cyber_Cheese He was also suspicious of me, which made it so much easier to make it seem like I thought he was scum. ;p What is this? He just points out ET's style of play, and puts a bunch of quotes; only to say that this doesn't matter later? Okay, I could let this pass, since he was just asked about his thoughts on ET, but what catches my attention is the bolded part. Not only he's wishy washy against him (a simple "He's null to me" would have sufficed), but he asks somebody else to decide? What possible motivation would he have to post that? His next post is just a rehash of VE's case against me, pointing out the "flag" stuff and the spaces from my posting (which as you have seen, I'm trying to improve). He then posts this referencing my post: He also seems genuinely angry at me. Okay, this guy is not even taking this seriously anymore. You don't even attempt to defend yourself, NOR post anything constructive, post any other thoughts of your own, NOTHING. Just die for christ's sake. ##Vote: MrZentor Although he seems suspicious early on, he later helps start the case against C_C, which could be scum or town :/, and he seems genuinely angry at me for attacking him with no reasons. 42% scum JohnnyWup He first suspects BH and votes for him. On March 27 2012 13:26 johnnywup wrote: wtf blazinghand? You're the one being agressive, voting on someone with no facts to backup your vote. And the "Your removal will help the town greatly and improve our discourse" just is a retarded statement. First of all, discourse? You want discourse to improve? That doesn't make sense if you are town. And why would his removal help the town unless you're absolutely certain he's mafia, which you aren't. Then why did you go after him in the first place? So nobody can have opinions but you? That's stupid. You're saying that only you and the person you accuse are relevant in that exchange? How about all of the town? You're trying to lynch on behalf of the town, why don't we matter? no comment, thats just stupid logic I don't think you're mafia, blazing, because no mafia would be so stupid to post something so stupid. At least I think. Utterly garbage posting so far. He is then suspicious of ET and votes for him. On March 28 2012 07:49 johnnywup wrote: I personally don't see anything wrong with C_C's posting. However I think that EchelonTree is super suspicious. Sides with me until the moment I vote. Admittedly the argument that BH posted to change his mind was a strong one. But what makes me wonder if ET is scum is... First of all, my argument was strong at the time. He was acting scummy, in my opinion. But he defended himself well. So my argument fell apart. Which is fine. But the thing is, previously you said which ties into you saying I'm more scummy because BH defended himself well and my argument fell apart. You made the same argument as me, that BH's posts were nonsensical. But after "rereading my posts after finding BHs argument to be strong" you found my argument was weak. This doesn't make me scummy, unless it makes you scummy as well, since you had the same opinion. Admittedly, BH's argument was pretty good and I don't fault you for unvoting. Arguments fall apart. Mine did. So why does that make me scum? Why so hypocritical? ##vote: EchelonTee He then defends himself from ET and votes for C_C, because he trusts that VE isn't scum. -.- On March 28 2012 08:50 johnnywup wrote: I really don't see why the argument was that bad. I dunno what to say, sorry? I don't know. I don't understand how it's so vastly different. Yeah I'm pretty bad at that lol. I tried to draw them all together at the end but I guess it didn't go well :/ How? I really don't see the difference. And I was asking the question why I become more scummy since you had a similar argument (I really don't see the difference on how my argument more scummy). I've mentioned before that I voted based on the reasons I had posted prior to that post, and that was only an additional point..alone it would be a bad reason to vote for someone, yes. --- I don't think you're scum VE so I'll just trust you. I don't think I'm being unreasonable, having an opinion and all. My argument against ET wasn't very strong, but it was something. I couldn't link why you thought he was scum until you explained it to me, so thanks for that. Your argument is better now that I see what you mean. I don't suppose many people think I'm town right now, and I don't think that me submitting to lynching C_C will really change much, but I'll do what I can to clear my name. ##unvote EchelonTee ##vote Cyber_Cheese + Show Spoiler + note to self: don't try and be helpful because my arguments are terrible and have me look like scum in both of the games I've played. He then states that he is bothered by BL following VE blindly; keep in mind, the only reason JW voted for C_C is that he trusted VE. On March 29 2012 07:40 johnnywup wrote: Btw, this bothers me. When VE unvotes C_C and votes ET to "prove a point to me", BL just follows VE wherever. (obviously doesn't understand that VE was mocking me) and then when it becomes clear to him that VE wasn't serious about the vote he switches back and goes as far as to say that he thinks ET is town, even though he just changed his vote to him because VE did: What's troubling about this? He's literally only voting with VE. Whenever VE posts an argument he writes something along the lines of "I agree". He isn't thinking for himself. He's sheeping way too easily. Scumtell? I'm not sure. It's troubling nonetheless. This is the horrible part. He says I am scum, who think he has already won. On the second day, mafia are already confident that they already won? This had to be the worst reason for ever voting for anybody ever. On March 31 2012 07:44 johnnywup wrote: MrZentor recently stopped pushing the town agenda and stopped taking the game seriously. What this means is he isn't taking it a seriously because he thinks he's already won. Because he's scum and is way ahead now. Gonzaw seems super towny to me, pushing agenda constantly, posts his reads and gives good reasons why he's suspicious of people, this is a bad post as well, may indicate scum because unwilling to find cases against possible scum and just wants to tunnel on one player who hasn't even played much at all, giving little to no content to work off of. Labels himself and Zentor (who i already think is scum) together, implying at least subconscious connection with Zentor. I think Sinensis, cccalf and MrZentor are scum at this point, not sure of last one. Any of the three are good to lynch imo, ccc should be last priority because he's probably not helping scum either, if he's scum. Which he may not be, but he hasn't given us a reason to think otherwise. He also seems quite angry at me. On March 31 2012 08:32 johnnywup wrote: goddamnit zentor..explain why you think gonzaw is scum..you can't even do that? you cant explain whats scummy about his posts, yet you expect us to think you're right and he's scum? All of these things make me think he is a nooby town; however, he could just be mafia, as it is difficult to tell them apart. 63% scum slOosh He stated his reason and VE's reasons for thinking C_C is scum and votes for him. On March 28 2012 12:39 slOosh wrote: +1 ; that is my read on C_C. Also, somehow I've made his scum list. What makes it so off is that at the bottom of this post he invites people to look at Sinensis as suspicious, then with this post, Sinensis is in the others list and I am on the scum list despite the fact that neither Sinensis nor slOosh (that's me) have posted anything in between his two posts, nor has anyone even mentioned our names. I really do think he is trolling and making the biggest mess of town possible before his lynch and setting up all sorts of WIFOM and chaos for the rest of his buddies to use. ##Vote: Cyber_Cheese He also a decent case against me early on. + Show Spoiler + On March 30 2012 02:28 slOosh wrote: I would also like to bring up MrZentor as a lynch candidate. gonzaw has brought up some decent stuff in his case here. But I found him suspicious for different things so I'll address that now. The context is very important here. Please read the posts surrounding his instead of just the filter. This is written on page 12, after VE posted his initial case on CC and much after CC posted his first post containing the "accusation" and the flag. Then comes a couple of pages of discussion on gonzaw, bluelightz, ET and such. Nothing but one post from Nemesis, who comments the "lack of stance" as suspicious. Watch MrZentor's next post: There is nothing in the thread itself discussing the flag itself. There is no new public content in between his first post in which he says "people are reading too much into his initial post", and "his initial post looks suspicious". He agrees that the flag is really bizarre but did not mention it in his first post - taking a very neutral stance if you will. Then suddenly he agrees with VE that the flag is indeed bizarre, despite the fact that no one has talked about it. He also throws in the bogus last line, indicating that his subtle accusation is also evidence against him, despite the fact that "people are reading too much into his initial post". Verdict: MrZentor initially took a neutral stance, and after observation of how the town reacted to the case decided to help push it along. The lack of public thread discussion and the sharp contrast in his stance against CC suggests that he has talked to other people about it (read. scum buddies). Also his initial post suggesting town lynch lurkers after hitting a few scum is downright weird. I'd say 37% scum. FroggyNoddy He votes for C_C, because the arguments against him are the strongest, but FN doesn't make any of his own cases against C_C. On March 28 2012 20:54 froggynoddy wrote: Hey, sorry I haven't been contributing nearly as much as I should, the reasons for this are: 1. Have been busy with uni 2. VE scares me and generally I'm finding it very difficult this game to provide much analysis as I'll explain below. The reasons VE scares me (this does not mean necessarily that I think he is scum) are based on the one game I have played till the end (Werewolves II) i.e. when Palmar single-handedly destroyed town and another scum team. How did he do this? Similarly to how VE is acting now. I wouldn't go so far as 'terrorising' but he's establishing himself as a central town leader. As far as I know town should not have leaders, particularly not this early in the game when player's alignments are at their least certain. In my eyes good townies should 1. provoke reactions in the hope of catching tells/slips and 2. build cases and argue them logically without a. resorting to threats b.buddying up to people c.switch their vote to a target other than the target whom they think is most likely scum UNLESS their is no other way for town to lynch. Now whilst VE has done some of these things, he's also asked people's opinions on various players (a majority of us here in fact) which is obv good for town. What I don't like is his buddying up with JW: and I don't like his changing his vote to ET as its pretty clear he thinks the best lynch is C_C. He says this in his defence: I don't think its a good town move to compromise nearly 24hours before deadline when theres still a he can do to convince JW and the rest of us in C_C's case.That said, he seemed on tilt, and non-contributors (such as myself) can only make things more difficult generally. What I'm trying to say is this: the most pro-town thing to do is argue for who you believe is the most likely to be scum, as this early in the game any compromise is likely to backfire and you end up lynching townie when if you'd had stuck to your guns and argued your case then town would have had a better town lynching scum. For example, BH thinks C_C is scum but thinks JW is moreso, so he's pushing for who he believes is the most likely scum, which IMHO is good town play. If he were to deny town a lynch due to his refusing to compromise, this becomes very scummy. Finally I don't like this: This sounds like he's inviting scum to hide in the bus. Which, he might turn around and say that he is scumhunting, the problem with this logic is that C_C and VE's case on C_C is genuinely the strongest case at this point in time, so your trap, if it is one, is likely to backfire. VE is leading town, if he is townie then if we rely to much on him and mafia kill him than town is likely to crumble. If he is scum... well... we're pretty much screwed. At this point in time, as previously mentioned, the case on C_C seems the strongest and the two players who have contributed the most to finding scum (BH and VE) both have have C_C as scum, despite their apparent argument. Until I can find a better case (I hope to do so but unfortunately, am new and am finding day 1 reads to be pretty flimsy) I'm going to: ##Vote Cyber_Cheese At first he defends me, because nearly everybody voted for C_C. On March 31 2012 02:33 froggynoddy wrote: A lot of people are using Mr Z and others vote on C_C as proof of scum. I don't think this is a valid play as everyone still alive voted for C_C and only VE had posted an original case against him... which essentially makes everyone scummy. @Blue: 3C is causing less havoc than Sinensis and Mr Zentor at the moment. That is why unless they start defending themselves properly I see them as better lynch targets. Remember the 'no useless townie' post VE made: Until you disprove this 3C is less of a lynch target. JW has been quiet today. Where you at? However, my scum claim forces him to vote for me. On March 31 2012 07:58 froggynoddy wrote: dude... this actually forces me to vote for you... if you flip town this you are so stupid. ##Unvote ##Vote MrZentor His reason for voting for C_C is based on other people's cases, and he votes for me because I claim scum. 70% scum, because I have a feeling he's just a lazy town Zelblade He states some reasons for supporting C_C and says that he agrees with VE. He votes for C_C.(in the post after) On March 27 2012 20:38 zelblade wrote: All right. Home and caught up. I agree with VE that cyber_cheese is definately suspicious. His nationaliy softclaim does nothing for town unless he has some master plan I am not aware of, and I dont like it at all. He proceeds to than call VE out for his ego, yet he doesnt do anything with this statement, not making any sort of conclusion, simply implanting the idea that VE's claim to be good at da game is scummy. Not to mention that he drops it instantly after VE calls him back out, instead dodging what I felt was the essence of VE's question - why bother posting some crap when he didnt really want to push it, or have a solid opinion of it? Guess he really wanted something to go along with that nice little picture of his I guess. I want to hear why he decided to soft claim his nationality. Solid lynch at this rate. He also gives good reasons to think I'm scum and votes for me. On March 31 2012 02:56 zelblade wrote: Sorry for my dissapearance, some IRL stuff came up. Regarding today's lynch and its candidates. cccalf is basically either 1) lurking scum, or 2) newb/busy town who doesnt really care much about the game. Either way, there is no way to discern his alignment from the complete lack of content he has posted. He is a ok lynch, one that I wouldnt mind supporting. He has had plenty of time to redeem himself for his lurkiness, and yet hasnt done so. Saving him for a vigi shot would be a better idea than lynching him here imo, but the primary problem is that we might not have one. Zentor on the other hand.. Gonzaw makes several interesting points against him. Look at zentor's reactions to this case. He flips, calls everyone attacking him scum, and basically starts to not give a shit about the game. I seriously doubt a townie would react this way to be honest. I expect a townie to respond to the points, take a look at the agurement presented at the very least. All zentor does is post ridiculous crap and sums up the case against him as "I defended bluelightz". Which is why: ##vote: MrZentor 32% scum Nemesis I thought this was an interesting thing to note. On March 26 2012 12:33 Nemesis wrote: If I have a gun, I'm shooting you night 1 :O He votes for C_C because he won't take a solid stance and because of the flag. On March 28 2012 00:21 Nemesis wrote: Yes, as I was pointing out his posts were quite bad. In addition to what I've said, VE's points are also good. There is no reason for townies to hint at their nationalities as it just makes it easier for scum to fulfill their second win condition. On the other hand though, scum could have plenty of reason to hint at nationalities like fishing for other people's nationalities. Plus, he seems to be avoiding taking a solid stance in here. He's trying to imply that VE is scum, but not outright saying it so that he can avoid taking responsibility if other people push him and it ends up in a mislynch. Blazinghand, I thought at first was chainsaw defending him with his ridiculous posts, but people are pointing out how he acts retarded like this in other games too. Since I've never played with him before, I'll take their word for it that BH is just retarded. ##Vote: Cyber_Cheese He notes how I was much more helpful in election mafia and votes for me. On March 31 2012 08:34 Nemesis wrote: Zentor is pretty much trolling at this point. Screw sinensis for now, you're going down today. Looking at his filter, it's even shittier than sinensis. Compare his filter from election mafia to here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291720&user=137099 More specifically, take a look at how he's been actively answering questions asked to him, while in this game, he has pretty much dodged every question directed at him. ##Unvote ##Vote: MrZentor Here are some recent things that scare me. He suggests that the mafia are bussing me, but he is also worried that they will go for a no lynch.a On March 31 2012 14:14 Nemesis wrote: It's called bussing, and I doubt you've never heard of it. Seeing how zentor has been acting, I doubt they would even try and save him at this point. http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Bus On March 31 2012 23:50 Nemesis wrote: Everyone who isn't already in zentor, make sure that you are on during the lynch. Just in case scum decide to pull a quick one on us and pull a no lynch. Johnny, we're not at MYLO yet. He needs to explain why there are so many scum voting for me, but he also wants more people voting for me, so I get mislynched. 90% mafia Sinensis He votes for C_C because he is grouping people by nationality, even though C_C would have no way to know anybody's nationality. On March 28 2012 11:51 Sinensis wrote: Back from work. So you just alignment claimed soviet for the second time? You are also grouping people based on Nationality. Only one class benefits from grouping based on Nationality, so indeed, gg Nazi. ##vote: Cyber_Cheese What's really weird is that he doesn't think I'm scum and follows my example. On March 31 2012 12:45 Sinensis wrote: I'm more inclined to go MrZentor's way and just not co operate with you guys, if that means getting lynched so be it. My vote is staying on cccalf. Period. Overall, he seems like nooby town, especially because of the first post. 38% scum Ccalf He votes C_C without explaining himself. On March 29 2012 06:55 cccalf wrote: ##VOTE Cyber_Cheese He then suspects VE. On March 29 2012 18:19 cccalf wrote: I understand that given my D1 lack of involvement that I am #1 on the town's "people to kill" list. Furthermore the ninja vote for C_C, who turned out to be innocent, certainly didn't make me look like a great guy. It was just following the bare minimums of the rules, which looks bad, but I swear this was due to RL time constraints. Now that I have had time to do some investigating, I am certain that I'm not the only one with a really bad feeling about VE. He ran a hard "lynch C_C" campaign on D1. Turns out 12/14 voted incorrectly, but VE isn't bothered by it. He later changes his tone, but only slightly. I know that I'm already a prime target, so I don't think I'm losing a friend by bringing this up, and certainly not hurting the town. VE ran a pretty vicious witch hunt, and will probably do the same again. I can't really get a good read on him, because he's been lurking too hard, but I think he should get shot by a vigilante if there are any. Thanks for reading this ridiculously large post! I spent several hours writing this, so I'm going to vote for the scummiest player and take a shower. ##Vote Nemesis I'm sure I made some mistakes in this post, so just ask me about something with which you disagree, and we can discuss it. P.S. I feel kind of bad for not providing much information on the last few people, but I had to get this post done in a timely fashion, so you guys could vote for actual scum. | ||
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MrSinister thought Gonzaw was scum and called everybody idiots/scum. Think of it as Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. | ||
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On April 01 2012 01:49 zelblade wrote: Okay so basically youre saying that you "pretended" to be a trolling scum. You realise that what this has done for us? 1) Waste the eternity of day 2 discussing you and your shit. 2) Potentially (Probably) wasting a lynch on you if you are town. 3) Gave scum tons of room to jump onto another easy wagon. I dont believe that you would not be able to see how bad this crap is you are town, and if you do flip town ill frankly be quite fustrated. I believe that you are scum trying to get a few people to switch off you in hopes of a no-lynch or give a mafia buddy or 2 an excuse to jump off the wagon forcing a nolynch. And that line of gibberish doesnt mean crap. 1. We still have plenty of time left, and I would rather have less time with more information than more time with less information. 2. I think it's pretty obvious that I was acting for several reasons. a. I put in beforehand that I was going to act. b. I have never acted anywhere like that before. c. I refuse to believe anybody would be that idiotic. 3. Now that we have more information, we'll make sure it's a wagon that is more likely to lynch scum. To be honest, I don't see how anybody could actually think I wasn't acting given above, so I would be also frustrated to be lynched. Do you really think scum would be that bad and also have put something in beforehand to show that it's an act? | ||
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Nearly everybody sheeped VE to some extent, but some people also put in their own thoughts and others didn't put anything. Yes, you can't tell if they are misguided town or mafia jumping on the wagon with just that, which is why I created another bandwagon. Of course I expected people to vote for me; the point was how they voted for me. This information coupled with the first bandwagon gives a lot of information. Yes, I summarize a player's actions to who why I think they are scum. The point is that he says that the mafia are bussing me, yet he is worried they are going to switch, so I don't get lynched. Because of this, he wants more people to vote for me. According to him, I am already proven scum, so why would the rest of mafia risk themselves to save me? He just wants more votes on me, so that I won't be able to convince enough people in the remaining hours, and I die. | ||
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On April 01 2012 02:19 EchelonTee wrote: ....wat? you just did a wad of really bad point-by-point-analysis on.... everyone? ??? just quoting a dude, saying one or two things bout them, then assigning them an arbitrary number is NOT a good post at all lol. this reminds me of my first game as scum, where I lurked hard, everyone called me out, then I made a giagantic fake ass post, everyone swallowed up and town lost. PBPA analysis lacks logic; you have to actually comment more in depth on the quotes you are drawing from, which you utterly fail to do. and once again another dood not commenting on cccalf. and u never answered for your D1 actions. that was before your "switch" or w.e so you can't say that you were acting before. essentially you want town to believe that you acted wildly scummy for two days, yet SOMEHOW u are not scum, as shown by your big fat non-useful post. just... what??? Just because you can write a big post doesn't mean you're analysis is either 1. right 2. from a town player meh I thought you were going to bust out a decent case on someone or even roleclaim, but this is just really really incoherant. I really really reallllllly don't want either MrZ or cccalf alive at LYLO, so scummy it hurts. I said in my post that I was lazy day one and just sheeped VE. The thing is that I put in an early post that I was going to do this. I wasn't a mafia who overreacted to voting and went crazy. | ||
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I used the quotes to push my views on why things are or aren't scummy. It's going to allow us to compare the bandwagons and to find scum. | ||
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On April 01 2012 04:34 johnnywup wrote: And guess what? Some people haven't posted since then. Because they have no objections. | ||
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And the sloosh the way I see it is that town killed a doctor who claimed, even thought there was no counter claim. | ||
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