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gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-03 22:15:59
April 03 2012 22:15 GMT
#1038
lol at everybody in the Obs QT thinking Blue was town


EDIT: I guess my case was "shitty" enough to make people think that right?
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-03 22:28:51
April 03 2012 22:27 GMT
#1042
I thought he would be protecting you, because he said the "If scum shoot you then I'm eating my hat!" line.
That seemed like a taunt to us, and if he was medic he would protect you knowing scum would fall to that trick.
But well, luckily he didn't.



P.S: We are still waiting for you to eat your hat BH
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-03 22:31:35
April 03 2012 22:29 GMT
#1044
I see that the Obs QT followed the same logic as the people in the thread though.

I was always thinking "Damn, maybe the Obs QT figured all 4 of us out by now " or something



EDIT: Was my case on Blue that bad?
lol I would have probably pushed him by the same reasons even if I was town.

Like, I think I linked (in the scum QT) to a post that I was gonna make, where Blue posted EXACTLY like in Aperture.

Poor Blue convinced me not to post it
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-03 22:45:07
April 03 2012 22:39 GMT
#1049
We (well, at least I) knew town would do badly (or at least not that well) if both BH and VE died, which is a reason why I decided that choice (and ET thankfully hopped on board >_>).
Apart from sloosh I didn't see a town leader that could break us, and thankfully sloosh wasn't that active or pushed us too much when he was alive.

But meh I think I've explained everything in the Scum QT, so if you guys have the time read it.



EDIT:

Would this be a bad case against Blue?
And I didn't go against him because he was easy. I thought I was justified in going against him because I did the same thing on Aperture and I was right, so I would be "emotionally" biased against thinking Blue was scum because of the same reasons


Here

+ Show Spoiler +
Okay Bluelightz, I was hoping that if you were town you would respond to my posts and try to be as helpful as possible.
I found your reaction to be the worst one possible.


Okay people, this is why I think we should lych Blue:

Here, take a look at his filter:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=322686&user=235418

And now look at the one from Aperture Mafia (he was scum there):

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&user=235418

See any similarities?

Here:

Aperture Mafia (scum):

On March 17 2012 10:21 Bluelightz wrote:
My eyes O_O, I think that Wiggles is town and trustable for the elections, vote for the wiggul cause!


On March 17 2012 09:39 Bluelightz wrote:
Adding to the discussion Should the person that gets elected should claim the power or not? I think that he should claim the powers if its anti-town but im open to other opinions :D.


On March 17 2012 10:53 Bluelightz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2012 10:49 Kenpachi wrote:
hi guys. i had an awesome day outside eating Korean BBQ and playing Billiard with my friends (birthday boy)

gonna go read the thread now.

btw im Kenpachi and im Townie


Its tempting to believe this because Kenpachi does this every game :O, any thoughts?



Sum of All Fears:

On March 27 2012 09:42 Bluelightz wrote:
O_O

AFAIK, I don't have nuff' information yet to make an educated guess at who is scum :p

I can take a look at anyone if you want to, just ask


On March 27 2012 14:38 Bluelightz wrote:
Sinensis, what do you think of Blazinghand now with his vote on Johhny? also srsly cool down we're all friends ==".


On March 27 2012 23:46 Bluelightz wrote:
Alright guys gonna go sleep for tonight, cya in the morning as a summary, C_C and cccalf, and possibly gonzaw I will vote for if you guys want to lynch him in the morning when I wake up, other lynch candidates I will review before voting.



He has similar post patterns, like posting similes, being "friendly", not knowing what to do or acting disoriented.

Here is his filter from Purgatory Mafia (town):

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298603&user=235418&currentpage=2

Actually, here, here's my "case" on him from Aperture, it's almost the same:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120&currentpage=53#1054


Here are more similarities:


Aperture(scum):

On March 17 2012 10:32 gonzaw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2012 10:24 Bluelightz wrote:
@gonzaw


On March 17 2012 08:35 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Though I question why you'd choose to shoot less than an hour into day 1, we just got a bunch of information from that lynch. We now know there's three sleeper cell members, so that's a modconfirmed scum number we can work with.

So is that actually the reason you shot him Drazerk? I don't see why you'd think that about VE as compared to anyone else, and why you'd shoot him without posting.



Would mafia ask this question? I think that Wiggles is town based on that he is posting like not being coordinated with other people.



Ehmm, don't see how asking that questions makes it feel he's not coordinated with other people.
Seems like a question that's totally unrelated to his alignment.
Apart from that I don't see how you can think he's town.


Also, where is Paperscraps? He just disappeared shortly after VE's death.
Could be a time-zone thing, but either way I want to know why he was convinced VE was 3rd party, and why he suddenly went AFK when he was "Excited to get started".



On March 17 2012 10:24 Bluelightz wrote:
@gonzaw


Show nested quote +
On March 17 2012 08:35 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Though I question why you'd choose to shoot less than an hour into day 1, we just got a bunch of information from that lynch. We now know there's three sleeper cell members, so that's a modconfirmed scum number we can work with.

So is that actually the reason you shot him Drazerk? I don't see why you'd think that about VE as compared to anyone else, and why you'd shoot him without posting.



Would mafia ask this question? I think that Wiggles is town based on that he is posting like not being coordinated with other people.


Sum of All Fears:

On March 27 2012 22:32 gonzaw wrote:
@Bluelightz: You say ET is town and pressed people to post, do you have anything to back that up?
Although I see you are posting lists now though



On March 27 2012 22:55 Bluelightz wrote:
@gonzaw about ET some example of well, not "pressing" but pushing for more people to post


Show nested quote +
On March 27 2012 13:01 EchelonTee wrote:
On March 27 2012 12:43 Sinensis wrote:
Also, there's only been one topic. It's topic. Not "topics [sic]." VisceraEyes using quotes. You weren't even part of that conversation.

new topic! sinensis do you think blzinghand's vote on nemesis is resonable or not?


There, ET pushes Sinensis to post more of his thoughts. This is one of the reasons why I think he's town.



Again, he posts a random town read on someone nobody would ever think is town by that point, and justifies it using very bad reasoning.



You know what's the most damning?
In Aperture you COMPLETELY ignored my case on you, you never mentioned it nor addressed it, not even when I was alive.

Now you are doing the same, you are ignoring my case as well, you are ignoring my questions and my pressure.


I think you should have tried to change your scum play, it would have been a little bit harder for me to find you:

##Vote: Bluelightz



I messed up some quotes though.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
April 03 2012 22:50 GMT
#1053
lol I was right about froggy being blue

See ET? :D
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
April 03 2012 22:59 GMT
#1057
The way I see it, it just means that DTs are useless, in which case so are GFs.

We didn't have a RBer for instance, so I don't know if it was that favored towards us.
The Doctor thing seemed pretty weak though, but I think it was meant to be used when the other doctor died as 1-shot, not having both doctors alive through ALL the game blindly choosing who to save and hoping both choose the same target, and hoping scum kill that target themselves.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
April 03 2012 23:24 GMT
#1066
Don't worry ET, we are both "scum policy lynches" from now on :D


So what would have happened if we killed froggy?
We would have killed the US DT that's what.

That wouldn't have been too shabby for a N1 kill either don't you think? >_>
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-04 03:29:19
April 04 2012 03:25 GMT
#1087
Wait, VE, why did you post this in the Obs QT?


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=322686&currentpage=49#967

Gonzaw confirmed town.



EDIT:

On Obs QT sloosh wrote:

P.s. gonzaw you can do it! don't let ET get away w that crap. I'd just lynch him over bluelightz since you might die overnight.


I found this support from the Obs QT quite comforting :D
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
April 04 2012 04:30 GMT
#1093
Yeah, also when you are scum it's just so easy to push those players
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-04 05:18:07
April 04 2012 05:03 GMT
#1098
On April 04 2012 13:38 EchelonTee wrote:
@sloosh yeah I actually planned to go down scummily by attacking you and such, because in the off chance that Sinensis made a turn around, there was almost 0 chance that gonzaw was going to be lynched. GJ catching it, though more people really should've ><

bringing up that meta could've helped I spose, but D1 lynches are always hard to tell. If I was actually townie it would've been pretty hard to defend C_C after the train started chugging along.

lmao at gonzaw getting more support from town/obs QT then from his scumbuddies xP love you gonzo



Yeah, I think I would have been better switching my allegiance mid-game to town, at least they defended me and didn't FoS me without giving ANY reason > : (


gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-04 18:39:32
April 04 2012 18:39 GMT
#1116
Yeah I think I saw like only 2 Minis where town won since I joined (C9++ and Newbie III)

>_>


Of course that will change whenever I get to play a Mini as town
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
April 04 2012 20:29 GMT
#1118
Yeah I didn't understand that part either.


I was FoSed as soon as I made my 1st post, how is that hiding under the radar? lol
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
April 04 2012 22:49 GMT
#1123
On April 05 2012 07:33 Probulous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2012 05:19 slOosh wrote:
In ObsQT Probulous wrote:
The difference between Sinensis and Gonzaw, is that Gonzaw has been labelled scum repeatedly and yet is stil hiding under the radar.

Could anyone explain how this works and how to employ this strategy to scumhunt?


Show nested quote +
Well I have the luck of having played with VE previously so I know he does this stuff, even as town. I don't know why Gonzaw hasn't been pushed more. He joins the thread half way through a shitstorm and doesn't comment on it?


That was post prior to that. The point being that whilst Gonzaw had been FOS'd he clearly wasn't concerned with contributing. He was responding to stuff that related to him and nothing else. You however were lurking but pointing out little things that peope were missing. You were clearly paying attention whilst Gonzaw looked like he was trying to be active without contributing.

Flying under the radar to me is not about not posting or not being FOS'd, it is about being in the thread with no-one paying attention to you. The fact that world war III was happening and he jumped in with this post (Klicky) which was just a big distraction especially that it was focused on Bluelightz who is really difficult to read day 1. Then the only thing he says about the whole BH/VE thing was

Show nested quote +
BH, I quite like this new style of yours, at least it's better than the one you started with in this game.
What do you think about Blue BH? And what do you think about me?


It was like this stuff didn't matter. Every other townie was confused and trying to work out the whole BH/VE/C_C thing and he jumps in with a case on Bluelightz of all people.

It just seemed really weird to arrive on the scene of a massacre and comment on the drapes.



Even when I'm town I don't care about the massive (petty) arguments people have, specially if BH is involved in one.

If I think both players involved are town I just insult both of them tell them to stop and dwell on something else (I think I did the same on Aperture).
Yeah, I know I didn't "take part" of that discussion that much, but really what would you expect I was scum >_>


I still don't see how everybody thought I was scum because I FoSed Blue "out of all people"...I mean, I would have done the same if I was town I think

I caught him as scum one game, and see he acts EXACTLY the same in the next game, I actually found it odd how many people were defending him.
Of course that made things better for us.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
April 04 2012 22:51 GMT
#1124
Hey! Don't you guys be hating on my posting style >_>
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-04 23:28:52
April 04 2012 23:28 GMT
#1126
But I used the "----" lines like people told me to


EDIT: Being "aweful to read" isn't that offensive this game.
I mean, that's good for scum isn't it?
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-04 23:42:39
April 04 2012 23:42 GMT
#1128
I don't think I ever did a PBPA, apart from my Zentor case at N1.

When I ask people questions or pressure them, I don't really want "other" people to read it and reflect on it or anything; I just want the guy I'm pressuring to read it, and if someone else reads and it wants to pressure that guy then great.

Could you give specific examples from this game where my posts were "aweful to read"?


I will most likely continue to use the [ hr ] linebreaks, so well, I guess I will get misslynched very often in the future >_>
I don't think anybody complained at all after I started using them though
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-04 23:58:13
April 04 2012 23:57 GMT
#1132
Well, I've been improving my posting habits since I started so I don't really think I should change it drastically for now.

Although there are posts of mine that have a lot of linebreaks (and are quite big), so maybe I can put a headline in each section of it to make it better to read (unless I flip scum again >_> ).


EDIT: Wait, what cases are you guys talking about? My Zentor case or my Blue case (which I posted recently)?
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
April 05 2012 00:49 GMT
#1139
First, well, I don't want to double or triple post just because my posts are big. It's the same thing if I have 1 big posts with 3 defined sections or 3 consecutive small posts; except the 1st one wastes less space.

Like I said, maybe I should put some headlines, like some people put Re: [stuff] and the like

Second, you are aware I was scum right? >_>
Yes I could have defended myself against VE concisely, but the more I dragged out the issue and the more I posted things just because the better
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
April 05 2012 02:52 GMT
#1147
On April 05 2012 11:30 Probulous wrote:
I will

He has made it clear that he didn't want to be clear and concise because he was scum. So when we play again if he doesn't make an effort in this regard I will have to assume he is scum again.

One day there will be an Adam, Gonzaw, Sloosh, ET, Mattchew, Cephiro and Probulous team and it will be glorious. Until that day...

##Vote: Gonzaw

Fairwell buddy


Oh don't worry, I will go against your throat as well if I see you are not being as helpful as you are when you are town

##Nuke: Probulous



But yes, that scum team will be glorious
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
April 05 2012 02:54 GMT
#1148
On April 05 2012 11:38 slOosh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 14:38 EchelonTee wrote:
they're not on deck to be lynched; i'm not in mood for a cluttered thread. we already have C3, Sinensis, and MrZ as potentials and the fact that i want to talk about them over gonzaw and bluelightz should clue you in to who i think is most scummy at this point.

AKA

i'm not going to post a list of reads, sloosh.


Haha, reading the game with knowledge of all roles is funny.

And really instructive - should've suspected gonzaw when he straight up cooperates with ET D3.


I've been toying with this idea of (should I have been alive or there was more time for discussion), just switching things up and suggesting a bluelightz lynch before Sinensis, to see if there would be resistance. Do you guys think that would have worked?



Pfff I would have 100% supported a Blue lynch, I would have been glad to take him off our scum QT.

...


..lol jk you are awesome Blue don't worry
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