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On March 27 2012 23:41 zelblade wrote:
On a more serious note I do agree with the rest of your post. ET is acting off to me, and I dont really like this new posting style of his. Whilst it seems different from a couple of his scum games I have read, this playstyle of his doesnt exactly mirror his town play either.
I also dont like him voting blazinghand, unvoting after johnny joins his wagon, only explaining why after he gets called out like a few hours later. Would a "sorry guys I reread and dont feel blzinghand is scum anymore..." be that hard to type?
Ill be keeping a eye on him for sure.
EBWOP missed out some stuff (bolded it)
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On March 27 2012 23:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
The important thing to note is that in his first post, he was sure to give the useless/obvious advice of "don't claim your nationality" but didn't seem interested in the fact that C_C already had. It seems to me that if I had an idea about something that's anti-town to do (claiming nationality) and someone has done this thing in thread (C_C) I'd be interested in hearing his reasons for doing so. He doesn't. Like he didn't even read it or something, when it's a big fat graphic in C_C's (only) post.
I don't like the smell of it. It smells like....SCUM
How did I miss that.
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On March 27 2012 23:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
zel and Zentor - discussing town-reads is like, COOL and everything...but I'd like to use our time to find scum if you don't mind. Townhunting is more effective late-game when there are fewer people to speculate about.
You two need to post your thoughts on my case against C_C in detail and give your thoughts on my other scum-read gonzaw.
Already did.
+ Show Spoiler +All right. Home and caught up.
I agree with VE that cyber_cheese is definately suspicious. His nationaliy softclaim does nothing for town unless he has some master plan I am not aware of, and I dont like it at all.
He proceeds to than call VE out for his ego, yet he doesnt do anything with this statement, not making any sort of conclusion, simply implanting the idea that VE's claim to be good at da game is scummy. Not to mention that he drops it instantly after VE calls him back out, instead dodging what I felt was the essence of VE's question - why bother posting some crap when he didnt really want to push it, or have a solid opinion of it? Guess he really wanted something to go along with that nice little picture of his I guess.
I want to hear why he decided to soft claim his nationality.
Solid lynch at this rate.
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I dont like gonzaw either. His activity is a pretty huge drop from a certain game, and his posts havent really done much in the way of scumhunting, besides generic advice. I also dont like how he dodges the C_C matter completely, and your point is the nail in the coffin. If C_C does indeed flip scum I say theres a huge chance gonzaw is scum too.
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I also dumped my vote onto cyber since I feel stronger about him being scum, and a fairly decent portion of your case on gonzaw hinges on cc being his scumbuddy.
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Also I will be going to sleep soon so night. Ill check back in around 15 minutes to see if theres anything interesting before actually heading to bed though.
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You seriously think scum is going to bus day 1?
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To whoever poked me about the my view of "If C_C flips scum im quite sure gonzaw is his scumbuddie" or something along those lines, I'll explain it here.
Gonzaw says that he posted regarding not claiming nationality stuff only because c_c soft claimed his nationality. But if you look at this post below...
+ Show Spoiler +Also, I'd recomend nobody even slightly hint what nationality they are from. As far as I know, town don't get ANY information whatsoever if someone is US or SU, but scum can use that info to try and get their alternative win-con.
So no nationality claims, nor any hint to them.
If you have to claim just claim your role and nothing else.
I cut out the irrelevant stuff but nothing relevant has been excluded. Here you will see him saying "Alright guys no nationality claims", and he claims he did it in response to C_C's actions. But why didnt he call him out on it? I dont know but if I thought something was suspicious/bad I would actually quote it, or at the very least point it out and question why he did it. Instead gonzaw doesnt even mention that C_C did something like that - he conveniently skipped that part.
As can be seen he conveniently skips out on C_C's supicious post. Why? I believe that C_C is scum, and gonzaw is his scumbuddy. Which is why I said that.
I also believe that if C_C somehow flips town (im highly doubting it considering how little he is caring at this point), gonzaw would seem to be a little more townie. Scum love to cherry-pick stuff, and the fact that he didnt actually do that whilst calling C_C out shows that he could be town assuming C_C is town.
Actually this is pretty weak considering that its based off a couple of posts, but this is what I feel of the situation at hand. Im also still most comfortable with a c_c lynch since he has essentially given up. Does he do this as town?
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Blazinghand why did you flip so hard on VE?
You agree that cyber is scum, yet you say VE is scum out of a sudden because he wants to lynch cyber.
Wat?
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And correct me if im wrong but scum bussing day 1 is so retarded. Not to mention that the supision on C_C was minimal before VE actually called him out, and he wasnt even remotely a lynch targert unless someone called him out.
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@Gonzaw.
No. Thats not what I mean. You find something bad, and you want it to stop. What I find wierd is that you dont even mention C_C when stating that line, and it seemed to basically be generic advice. IF cc's flag motivated you to do that post, wouldnt you at the very least point it out? I find it supicious that despite you finding his flag bad for town and felt troubled enough to make a paragraph on why its bad, wouldnt you quote it or say something along the lines of "Dont do what c_c did?", or at the very least question his motivations for his soft-claim (which is personally what I would do if I think something is a bad play, or is scummy as hell)?
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And if youre town go skim a few of bluelightz's town games. Purgatory and Wiggles mini mafia II for instance.
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Also I need sleep so goodnight.
I am personally still more than happy with the c_c lynch, which is why I will be leaving my vote there.
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C_C couldnt you at least have stopped trolling and stuff with your venn digrams and crap....
Also Im really sorry but some stuff came up today so I wont be able to post much (This is a one-time thing, wont happen again... I think).
ccalf, you still busy? Not done with your RL constraints yet?
I still dont think bluelightz is scum but I guess I will take a closer look tomorrow when I have more time. I didnt like froggy's posting earlier, though I need to take a look at his filter.
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Sorry for my dissapearance, some IRL stuff came up.
Regarding today's lynch and its candidates.
cccalf is basically either 1) lurking scum, or 2) newb/busy town who doesnt really care much about the game.
Either way, there is no way to discern his alignment from the complete lack of content he has posted. He is a ok lynch, one that I wouldnt mind supporting. He has had plenty of time to redeem himself for his lurkiness, and yet hasnt done so. Saving him for a vigi shot would be a better idea than lynching him here imo, but the primary problem is that we might not have one.
Zentor on the other hand..
Gonzaw makes several interesting points against him. Look at zentor's reactions to this case. He flips, calls everyone attacking him scum, and basically starts to not give a shit about the game. I seriously doubt a townie would react this way to be honest. I expect a townie to respond to the points, take a look at the agurement presented at the very least. All zentor does is post ridiculous crap and sums up the case against him as "I defended bluelightz".
Which is why:
##vote: MrZentor
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On March 30 2012 02:18 Blazinghand wrote:It's also the truth, and you know it. If you are shot by scum tonight I will literally eat my hat. IRL. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Hqgo2.png)
Blzinghand I want a vid of that :D
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Zentor if youre somehow town that isnt actually helping you know?
I am also going to sleep now. Im mostly caught up with the thread but im really tired now so ill need to reevaluate everything else in the morning.
Night.
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Okay so basically youre saying that you "pretended" to be a trolling scum. You realise that what this has done for us?
1) Waste the eternity of day 2 discussing you and your shit.
2) Potentially (Probably) wasting a lynch on you if you are town.
3) Gave scum tons of room to jump onto another easy wagon.
I dont believe that you would not be able to see how bad this crap is you are town, and if you do flip town ill frankly be quite fustrated. I believe that you are scum trying to get a few people to switch off you in hopes of a no-lynch or give a mafia buddy or 2 an excuse to jump off the wagon forcing a nolynch.
And that line of gibberish doesnt mean crap.
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