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On March 29 2012 18:19 cccalf wrote:
I understand that given my D1 lack of involvement that I am #1 on the town's "people to kill" list. Furthermore the ninja vote for C_C, who turned out to be innocent, certainly didn't make me look like a great guy. It was just following the bare minimums of the rules, which looks bad, but I swear this was due to RL time constraints.
Had you even read the thread by that point? Why did you vote him and not another one?
Generally when one makes a placeholder vote, you make it on yourself or on a random person, which clearly wasn't the case.
What were your reasons for voting C_C? Just because he had the majority?
If so, can't you see how bad that is?
Now that I have had time to do some investigating, I am certain that I'm not the only one with a really bad feeling about VE. He ran a hard "lynch C_C" campaign on D1. Show nested quote +On March 28 2012 15:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
Attention Non-Voters: Cyber_Cheese is the most pro-town, green imbuing lynch of the day. If you want to have lots and lots of town-cred, and be free of suspicion forever, Cyber_Cheese is the lynch candidate for you! No activity? No problem! Stop by and place your vote TODAY! Turns out 12/14 voted incorrectly, but VE isn't bothered by it. Show nested quote +On March 29 2012 07:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
I don't regret killing him. I just wish he'd been more helpful. He later changes his tone, but only slightly. Show nested quote +On March 29 2012 13:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
Sorry for being a bully guys, I'll try to stop. I make no guarantees.
I'm taking a look at the C_C wagon. At the very least 2 and probably more scum are on the wagon.
I know that I'm already a prime target, so I don't think I'm losing a friend by bringing this up, and certainly not hurting the town. VE ran a pretty vicious witch hunt, and will probably do the same again.
So what do you think about other players and cases against other players? What do you think about my case against Blue and Zentor?
Final question: Why shouldn't a vig just shoot you tonight? You need to become way more active and contribute more than this if you want to even help us. You've already skated by 1 whole cycle, we can't allow you to do the same on D2.
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On March 30 2012 01:25 MrZentor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2012 21:51 gonzaw wrote:On March 29 2012 18:19 cccalf wrote:
I understand that given my D1 lack of involvement that I am #1 on the town's "people to kill" list. Furthermore the ninja vote for C_C, who turned out to be innocent, certainly didn't make me look like a great guy. It was just following the bare minimums of the rules, which looks bad, but I swear this was due to RL time constraints. Had you even read the thread by that point? Why did you vote him and not another one? Generally when one makes a placeholder vote, you make it on yourself or on a random person, which clearly wasn't the case. What were your reasons for voting C_C? Just because he had the majority? If so, can't you see how bad that is? Now that I have had time to do some investigating, I am certain that I'm not the only one with a really bad feeling about VE. He ran a hard "lynch C_C" campaign on D1. On March 28 2012 15:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
Attention Non-Voters: Cyber_Cheese is the most pro-town, green imbuing lynch of the day. If you want to have lots and lots of town-cred, and be free of suspicion forever, Cyber_Cheese is the lynch candidate for you! No activity? No problem! Stop by and place your vote TODAY! Turns out 12/14 voted incorrectly, but VE isn't bothered by it. On March 29 2012 07:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
I don't regret killing him. I just wish he'd been more helpful. He later changes his tone, but only slightly. On March 29 2012 13:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
Sorry for being a bully guys, I'll try to stop. I make no guarantees.
I'm taking a look at the C_C wagon. At the very least 2 and probably more scum are on the wagon.
I know that I'm already a prime target, so I don't think I'm losing a friend by bringing this up, and certainly not hurting the town. VE ran a pretty vicious witch hunt, and will probably do the same again. So what do you think about other players and cases against other players? What do you think about my case against Blue and Zentor? Final question: Why shouldn't a vig just shoot you tonight? You need to become way more active and contribute more than this if you want to even help us. You've already skated by 1 whole cycle, we can't allow you to do the same on D2. What case against me? I wasn't aware of this injustice!
Can you take this seriously please? *sigh*
@sloosh: good find, I didn't notice that first post of his regarding C_C.
@BH,VE: Why the hell don't you guys do something more productive than this pointless bickering?
Here, I made a program that exactly defines the last 3 pages:
int main()
{
while(BH && VE==retarded)
{
BH: VE, be sure to post your reads before the deadline;
VE: You are scum and I'll get shot tonight;
BH: No you wont, you are useless;
}
return 0;
}
I'm going to uni right now, will be back after night ends, so hopefully see you later.
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That Day post really sucked.
Why would scum risk using the nuke on N1?
On March 30 2012 05:38 Nemesis wrote:As for gonzaw, I still don't see the stupid similarity between his play here and aperture. Your example of using smileys are horrible. I don't think you are scum but your case is terrible. Here's a counterexample for when bluelightz is town from Mr Wiggles mini Mafia II and he uses stupid smileys too. Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 15:01 Bluelightz wrote:
Well, Sorry I went blank for a while >< Had to turn of the computer ><
Anyway, I gotta go now :3, See you guys back when I reach home.
P.S Also hope to see more people post!
Here's what you don't get.
I noticed his odd style of play on Aperture, and I was right. What does this mean? That that style of play is his scum play. He played Aperture AFTER Mr Wiggles mini Mafia II (I think I'm right though).
I can't tell you more than yes, the styles are VERY similar, and the way he posted (remember, he starts making town reads out of a sudden, doesn't act confident, ignores my case against him in the beginning) was similar too.
I find it strange how nobody can see the similarities.
*sigh* Okay people, if ANY of you wants to lynch Blue, then I'll be 100% on it, but it seems I can't convince anyone to vote him not even in 72 hours or so.
I find his unusual fixation with killing cccalf, someone totally inactive, suspicious as well. He just went against him since the beginning, and that would be pretty easy on someone that didn't have any posts.
Either way, cccalf, if you don't contribute anything worthwhile this D2 you should hang, I'm amazed how no vig shot him yesterday.
I am suspicious of Sinensis. I noticed his lack of commitment and activity, and found it suspicious.
BH and others made some other points I hadn't considered by that point, he's a good candidate for a lynch as well.
However, I think there are a few other people more likely to flip mafia.
One is Blue, but I guess nobody will be convinced of him being scum by now, so I'll try and spend my efforts hunting the remaining scum and urge you all to take a VERY CLOSE look at Blue, and see when and how he posts his thoughts, seeing if he tries to fly under the radar, etc.
Another guy that should die is this one:
On March 30 2012 01:25 MrZentor wrote:
What case against me?
I wasn't aware of this injustice!
On March 30 2012 08:08 MrZentor wrote:
To be honest, I don't see an actual case against me, and a lynch bandwagon on me has already started.
You guys are really going easy on the mafia; I am starting to see what VE was so angry.
On March 30 2012 10:56 MrZentor wrote:
Oh yes, he criticizes me for defending Bluelightz.
On March 30 2012 11:05 MrZentor wrote:
Also, he's just mad because I know he's scum.
Okay, this guy is not even taking this seriously anymore.
You don't even attempt to defend yourself, NOR post anything constructive, post any other thoughts of your own, NOTHING.
Just die for christ's sake.
##Vote: MrZentor
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On March 30 2012 11:24 Sinensis wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2012 11:18 MrZentor wrote:
There's the scum.
The only thing to decide is if Nemesis is his scum buddy or retarded.
Probably both. It isn't Nemesis, I am actually pretty sure about this. It's froggy, he's the one who sheeped me for an irrelevant reason after Nemesis's original vote and case. cccalf, froggy, and gonzaw. I am okay with lynching any of these players today, though I will prefer cccalf unless he posts something.
Why don't you post cases against those players and me?
So far this Day 2 you have just been defending yourself and bickered with Nemensis, you haven't posted any cases, or thorough reads or thoughts.
Froggy is scum just because he "sheeped" you? When, where, how? Point out his post, call him out, post more thoughts about him.
On March 30 2012 11:50 MrZentor wrote:
I like how you say I don't defend myself after quoting a post in which I defend myself.
Let me interpret this post.
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....is this a joke?
Saying "Oh yes, he criticizes me for defending Bluelightz." is a defense? Really? Who do you expect will buy this bullshit?
*sigh* Okay people, I want people to post their thoughts on this.
Froggy, jhonny, ET, zelblade, Blue, etc, tell me what you think about Zentor, and tell me if you would be okay lynching him or not.
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Just noticed something:
On March 30 2012 08:02 Sinensis wrote:
cccalf is probably mafia. If you want to vote for a useless townie, this is the guy to vote for. If you want to vote for someone who's only case has been against the dead "town leader" who flipped blue, cccalf is the one to vote for. If cccalf flips scum, I believe his probable scum team mates are: zelblade, MrZentor, and froggynoddy. These are the only players not to lash out at cccalf for his inactivity.
If you have more specific questions for me, please ask them.
On March 30 2012 11:24 Sinensis wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2012 11:18 MrZentor wrote:
There's the scum.
The only thing to decide is if Nemesis is his scum buddy or retarded.
Probably both. It isn't Nemesis, I am actually pretty sure about this. It's froggy, he's the one who sheeped me for an irrelevant reason after Nemesis's original vote and case. cccalf, froggy, and gonzaw. I am okay with lynching any of these players today, though I will prefer cccalf unless he posts something.
Sinensis, why are your reads so different here?
You conclude that cccalf is mafia on both. However, in the 1st one you say that zelblade and Zentor are likely his scumbuddies, but on the 2nd one you don't mention them at all, and it even seems like you try to buddy up with Zentor there.
If in the 1st post you think ccalf is scum, and Zentor/zelblade are his scumbuddies, then since nothing important happened between these 2 posts, if in your 2nd post you think cccalf is scum, then you should still think Zentor/zelblade are his scumbuddies.
If something changed your mind, then you specifically state so, you don't casually talk with the guy you thought was scum earlier like if nothing happened.
Also, remember basic logic:
P1)If A is scum, then B and C are scum
P2)I think A is scum
T)I think B and C are scum
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So does that make him scum alone? Just because he voted you? Can you try and put a little bit more effort here?
And no, you didn't say you were suspicious of Zentor nor zeblade in your second post. This wouldn't have been important, if it wasn't for the fact that you seemed to try and buddy up with the guy that supposedly was suspicious to you.
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On March 30 2012 23:57 MrZentor wrote:
It's not my fault you are a retarded scum that doesn't know what a defense is.
I won't let you derail the discussion with ad hominems and misdirections
Get serious or I'm ignoring you until you die.
Rofl, I have been just waiting for an idiot to say this. Because a lot of people were talking about the flag, I had to show them why it was unhelpful and should be ignored; I was also showing why it wasn't part of my case.
I also like how you bolded everything but the most important part: "Currently, he does seem like the scummiest player, because of the subtle accusation accompanied with his other posts." I explicitly state the crux of my argument and why I'm ignoring part of the "evidence" other people were using.
And you think the evidence I'm ignoring is the crux of my arguement?
Scum or idiot?
The point is that is the only time you mention C_C.
And that was at the beginning of Day 1, and only dwelled with C_C's first posts.
You never stated what you thought about C_C's newer posts, you never stated what you thought about his case on Blue and if you thought his new actions made him more scummy or not.
Your reasons for voting C_C were ONLY based on his first 3-4 posts, and you completely disregarded his later ones
Zentor, could you even try to care about this game?
You call everybody that accuses you "Scum or idiot/stupid?", you don't defend yourself against the points I brought up, and you didn't respond before in N1 either.
You don't even try to post your thoughts on other people, or pressure anybody:
You haven't voted yet, so what are you waiting for? Who will you vote? Wtf are you doing if it's not trying to figure out who is scum, and vote them if you think they are?
You are just coasting and trolling everybody. I guess your scumteam thinks they've already won by killing both VE and BH, right?
This place is deserted atm people, that's bad. I'm still expecting other players thoughts on Zentor, and hopefully their votes.
On March 30 2012 13:55 johnnywup wrote:
my read on zentor: he started off really helpful but got progressively less helpful. don't know if that entails scum, but don't think he should be a prime target atm unless someone can point out some explicitly scummy posts of his to me
What do you think about my case on him?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=322686¤tpage=28#547
@ET: So, do you think I'm scum or not? You haven't answered that question from mine before.
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EBWOP:
On March 30 2012 12:50 Sinensis wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2012 12:47 gonzaw wrote:
So does that make him scum alone? Just because he voted you? Can you try and put a little bit more effort here?
And no, you didn't say you were suspicious of Zentor nor zeblade in your second post. This wouldn't have been important, if it wasn't for the fact that you seemed to try and buddy up with the guy that supposedly was suspicious to you. I am not buddying up I am trying to come eventually come to a mutual lynch agreement with someone. Yes I am suspicious of him. Yes I am okay if he votes for someone on my scum list. Hell, he could vote for himself and I'd be happy.
So it's not suspicious to you, that a guy you think is scum is tunneling another guy you think is scum? That's just so "cool" to you that you casually talk to him?
How about this: You think Zentor is scummy/scum, then vote him.
A vig can take care of cccalf tonight; or more importantly, a vig SHOULD take care of cccalf tonight. Like some people said before, we don't need to waste all D2 discussion about him, and let the thread stagnate.
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On March 31 2012 02:23 froggynoddy wrote:
Sorry for late reply, manic day at work.
@ Gonzaw: Please do not defend me, I don't need your buddying. I had the same gripe with VE defending JW and Blue.
I'm not buddying you.
If Sinensis thinks you are scum, I want him to make a case and post more than just "he sheeped on his vote on me".
Also froggy, my case doesn't rest on his vote on C_C (although it's an important factor). Read my case, and come back and tell me your thoughts.
I linked to it in my response to JW a little while back.
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The irony is so great it hurts.
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So why don't you even vote me....?
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On March 31 2012 03:58 MrZentor wrote:Oh, I will.
So what are you waiting for?
Are you waiting to see if a bandwagon against me forms first, so you can jump on it later? Are you waiting to see if you can vote for someone else later?
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EBWOP:
Also, I'd like to see why you think I'm scum.
Is it because of my first 3 posts? Just like you thought C_C was scum ONLY because of his first 3 posts but disregarded the rest?
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Omg Zentor, just stop please.
We caught you, now stop talking and wait to die while we find your remaining scumbuddies.
We've been asking him for his thoughts, defense and cases against me since the beginning of Day 2, he won't start doing it now, he's trolling us
@Sinensis: I'm still waiting. Make a stance about Zentor NOW.
Do you want to lynch him or not? You think he's "scummy" and he's in your suspects list, so logically you would want him dead and would vote for him, right?
If you are town, then you MUST post your reads and cases against froggy and me (since we are in your "Top 3" scumlist).
Stop this tunneling of cccalf to get away with posting nothing at all; you can still push a ccalf lynch and still post your thoughts on other players.
@Echelon: You too, you still haven't answered my question. Do you think I'm scum or not? If so, then why aren't you pushing me by now and agree with me on Zentor? If not, then why did you always post trying to discredit me and paint me suspicious?
@Blue: I see you are still not doing anything constructive at all. You will die tomorrow.
I think the scum team at this moment is Blue, Zentor, Sinensis, and someone else, perhaps ET, or maybe even zelblade or someone else.
If cccalf is scum, I don't see the sense in both Blue and Sinensis pushing for his lynch and avoiding all other discussion just to bus their scumbuddy.
Not to mention that if cccalf is town, we would waste all D2 discussion on him, agree on an unanimous lynch on him which will give us absolutely no info, and will leave us on D3 LYLO/MYLO with nothing to work with.
Scum would love that; but sadly maybe that has to happen on D3 if ccalf continues being inactive and doing nothing at all, and we don't have any vigs.
We'll deal with that once Zentor dies.
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EBWOP:
I do think that scum killing both VE and BH, and getting the doctor on N1 may have made them think they already won, which is why I think they are all doing nothing at all, trolling, etc.
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On March 31 2012 09:54 Bluelightz wrote:
Basically I admitted that so yes.
So you admit you sheeped VE then?
That means you think I'm "scummy" just because VE told you at the beginning of the game, right?
What do you think about me other than my first 4 posts? They don't matter or something?
On March 31 2012 12:07 EchelonTee wrote:@gonzaw + Show Spoiler +you'll have your due time gonzee; i've got my plate full with current lynch candidates.@MrZentor post your case on gonzaw, don't do something stupid
What the hell is that supposed to mean?
Okay, there are quite a few people here that think I'm scum, but no one is even trying to explain why.
If you think I'm scum and don't make a case, then you can't convince anyone to vote me.
If you think I'm scum, then by not making a case against me you don't allow me to defend myself and convince you that I am in fact town.
If you don't make a case, then we can't know if your reasons for thinking I'm scum are legit and you are town, or if they are not and you are scum.
You guys are hurting town by doing this one way or the other, so either make a case against me or pressure me, or just shut up about it and focus on more important things.
Of course, if you are scum just keep doing what you are doing, so it's easier to kill you later.
This includes: Sinensis, Zentor, ET, Blue, someone else I may have forgotten about.
On March 31 2012 12:45 Sinensis wrote:
I'm more inclined to go MrZentor's way and just not co operate with you guys, if that means getting lynched so be it. My vote is staying on cccalf. Period.
If you don't help town you should die.
There's ABSOLUTELY no reason for you not to try to cooperate with town and win if you are a townie. There's no reason for you to not post your thoughts, reads and cases, even if you think all of us are "idiots or scum".
Seriously, ever since D2 started, you haven't posted almost any reads, and posted almost 0% reasoning behind the ones you did post.
And this doesn't have anything to do with your vote on cccalf.
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On March 31 2012 13:05 Sinensis wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 13:03 johnnywup wrote:
i thought zentor didn't have enough people, so never mind with that.
sirensis, could you explain why you think ccc vote is better than zentor? Because zentor has contributed more than cccalf.
What do you think about his behaviour on this Day 2 then? You can't really say he contributed more than c3 on D2, even though c3 hasn't posted anything yet.
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EBWOP:
@jhonny: He said froggy, zentor and zelblade are likely scum because they never mentioned cccalf or called him out.
That is a valid point, but not enough to think someone is scum, specially since we don't know if cccalf is in fact scum or not.
But again, that's not enough, and he should post more thoughts about them.
I still don't know why he thinks I'm scum though.
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Wtf is this?
So Zentor, let me get this straight:
Since the middle of N1, you decide to "act" as stupid scum, so throughout that night and subsequent day, you would :
-Get ALL attention on you and have almost ALL discussion be made about you and not finding the ACTUAL scum
-Get a bandwagon formed against you barely HOURS before the day ends
And all this just so you can make a shitty PBPA analysis of everbody that doesn't even explain why you think some of them are scum or town, and is instead a "retelling" of their actions, and the reason you think they are scum are shitty as hell? (seriously, it seems you gave random ratings to some players, which you never stated ANY opinion regarding them)
Then you claim Doctor? All of this HOURS before the day ends?
You are going to tell us, that our DOCTOR, one of our most important power roles, would do this stupid gambit to get a bandwagon going against him?
Are you kidding me?
One more important thing: You never responded to the case I made on N1.
People didn't think you are scum just because you acted retarded (if not people would think Kenpachi/etc would be scum every single game), people thought you were scum because of how you acted on D1 and N1
I thought you were scum because of the points I made in my case, if it was for me I would have lynched you there myself without you doing all this "act" of yours.
Yet you still fail to acknowledge that, and you keep ignoring my case.
Seriously, you HAVE to be mafia, this doesn't make any sense if you are town.
If you are scum, then great, you spend ALL D2 acting stupid so your buddies can jump easily on your wagon, and so ALL discussion on D2 is stopped and all scumhunting is stopped as well.
Then right before the day ends, you make a half-assed big-assed post explaining your "act", and then claim Doctor to draw the real doctor out; or if the doctor isn't active when you claimed, then switch the lynch to an inactive and waste us ALL D2
Your claim my be true, but if someone else claims doctor you die.
*sigh* We don't have time to create another lynch candidate, meaning we can't lynch Sinensis or Blue..
I'd consider a NL, if it wasn't for the fact we would still get to a D3 MYLO with it
##Unvote: MrZentor
##Vote: cccalf
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sloosh, so you are saying that the SU Doctor is cccalf, or Zentor is scum but the real SU Doctor doesn't want to claim to get him lynched?
If none of those happen, then his claim is legit, as much as it pains me to say.
What he did made absolutely no sense, and has so much scum agenda written on it it's not funny; and it makes me want to automatically lynch him right now.
But if there is no cc then it's very likely he's telling the truth.
If cccalf is in fact the SU Doctor, well we are pretty much screwed, considering he doesn't even have the time to post here.
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