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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
March 29 2012 23:08 GMT
#648
To be honest, I don't see an actual case against me, and a lynch bandwagon on me has already started.

You guys are really going easy on the mafia; I am starting to see what VE was so angry.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
March 30 2012 01:56 GMT
#665
On March 30 2012 10:43 Nemesis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 08:08 MrZentor wrote:
To be honest, I don't see an actual case against me, and a lynch bandwagon on me has already started.

You guys are really going easy on the mafia; I am starting to see what VE was so angry.

No one has even voted you yet. -_-

Also, you seriously can't find the case against you? You must be quite bad at reading.

Here I'll link it for you Clicky


Oh yes, he criticizes me for defending Bluelightz.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
March 30 2012 02:05 GMT
#669
On March 30 2012 11:00 Nemesis wrote:
Zentor, is that all you have to say? Read it again as to why people actually find you scummy. He posts a 2 page essay on you, and the only thing you read was you defending bluelightz?


Also, he's just mad because I know he's scum.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
March 30 2012 02:18 GMT
#672
There's the scum.

The only thing to decide is if Nemesis is his scum buddy or retarded.
Probably both.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
March 30 2012 02:50 GMT
#674
On March 30 2012 11:15 gonzaw wrote:
That Day post really sucked.
Why would scum risk using the nuke on N1?

Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 05:38 Nemesis wrote:
As for gonzaw, I still don't see the stupid similarity between his play here and aperture. Your example of using smileys are horrible. I don't think you are scum but your case is terrible. Here's a counterexample for when bluelightz is town from Mr Wiggles mini Mafia II and he uses stupid smileys too.
On March 01 2012 15:01 Bluelightz wrote:
Well, Sorry I went blank for a while >< Had to turn of the computer ><

Anyway, I gotta go now :3, See you guys back when I reach home.

P.S Also hope to see more people post!



Here's what you don't get.

I noticed his odd style of play on Aperture, and I was right. What does this mean? That that style of play is his scum play. He played Aperture AFTER Mr Wiggles mini Mafia II (I think I'm right though).
I can't tell you more than yes, the styles are VERY similar, and the way he posted (remember, he starts making town reads out of a sudden, doesn't act confident, ignores my case against him in the beginning) was similar too.
I find it strange how nobody can see the similarities.

*sigh* Okay people, if ANY of you wants to lynch Blue, then I'll be 100% on it, but it seems I can't convince anyone to vote him not even in 72 hours or so.

I find his unusual fixation with killing cccalf, someone totally inactive, suspicious as well. He just went against him since the beginning, and that would be pretty easy on someone that didn't have any posts.

Either way, cccalf, if you don't contribute anything worthwhile this D2 you should hang, I'm amazed how no vig shot him yesterday.




I am suspicious of Sinensis. I noticed his lack of commitment and activity, and found it suspicious.
BH and others made some other points I hadn't considered by that point, he's a good candidate for a lynch as well.

However, I think there are a few other people more likely to flip mafia.
One is Blue, but I guess nobody will be convinced of him being scum by now, so I'll try and spend my efforts hunting the remaining scum and urge you all to take a VERY CLOSE look at Blue, and see when and how he posts his thoughts, seeing if he tries to fly under the radar, etc.

Another guy that should die is this one:





Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 01:25 MrZentor wrote:
What case against me?

I wasn't aware of this injustice!


Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 08:08 MrZentor wrote:
To be honest, I don't see an actual case against me, and a lynch bandwagon on me has already started.

You guys are really going easy on the mafia; I am starting to see what VE was so angry.


Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 10:56 MrZentor wrote:
Oh yes, he criticizes me for defending Bluelightz.


Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 11:05 MrZentor wrote:
Also, he's just mad because I know he's scum.



Okay, this guy is not even taking this seriously anymore.

You don't even attempt to defend yourself, NOR post anything constructive, post any other thoughts of your own, NOTHING.

Just die for christ's sake.

##Vote: MrZentor

I like how you say I don't defend myself after quoting a post in which I defend myself.

Let me interpret this post.

dusfgpiutserlnmgszrbcwidanfioftlnldhtubmhnrnoeozneeoniaushfdIAMSCUMLYNCHMRZadsjfioajdsfdoijioasdfggghtrtrjgsdgfafsdxjn
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
March 30 2012 14:57 GMT
#697
On March 30 2012 12:02 gonzaw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 11:24 Sinensis wrote:
On March 30 2012 11:18 MrZentor wrote:
There's the scum.

The only thing to decide is if Nemesis is his scum buddy or retarded.
Probably both.


It isn't Nemesis, I am actually pretty sure about this. It's froggy, he's the one who sheeped me for an irrelevant reason after Nemesis's original vote and case. cccalf, froggy, and gonzaw. I am okay with lynching any of these players today, though I will prefer cccalf unless he posts something.



Why don't you post cases against those players and me?
So far this Day 2 you have just been defending yourself and bickered with Nemensis, you haven't posted any cases, or thorough reads or thoughts.

Froggy is scum just because he "sheeped" you? When, where, how? Point out his post, call him out, post more thoughts about him.





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On March 30 2012 11:50 MrZentor wrote:
I like how you say I don't defend myself after quoting a post in which I defend myself.

Let me interpret this post.

dusfgpiutserlnmgszrbcwidanfioftlnldhtubmhnrnoeozneeoniaushfdIAMSCUMLYNCHMRZadsjfioajdsfdoijioasdfggghtrtrjgsdgfafsdxjn



....is this a joke?

Saying "Oh yes, he criticizes me for defending Bluelightz." is a defense? Really? Who do you expect will buy this bullshit?


*sigh* Okay people, I want people to post their thoughts on this.

Froggy, jhonny, ET, zelblade, Blue, etc, tell me what you think about Zentor, and tell me if you would be okay lynching him or not.

It's not my fault you are a retarded scum that doesn't know what a defense is.

On March 30 2012 14:17 slOosh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 04:21 MrZentor wrote:
On March 30 2012 02:28 slOosh wrote:
I would also like to bring up MrZentor as a lynch candidate.

gonzaw has brought up some decent stuff in his case here. But I found him suspicious for different things so I'll address that now.

The context is very important here. Please read the posts surrounding his instead of just the filter.
On March 27 2012 22:49 MrZentor wrote:
C_C looks a little suspicious because of his first post, but I feel that people are reading too far into that.

This is written on page 12, after VE posted his initial case on CC and much after CC posted his first post containing the "accusation" and the flag. Then comes a couple of pages of discussion on gonzaw, bluelightz, ET and such. Nothing but one post from Nemesis, who comments the "lack of stance" as suspicious. Watch MrZentor's next post:


On March 28 2012 00:31 MrZentor wrote:
On March 27 2012 23:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
You two need to post your thoughts on my case against C_C in detail and give your thoughts on my other scum-read gonzaw.


I do agree that his initial accusation looks suspicious. The flag is really bizarre, because I couldn't imagine posting it as mafia or towns person. If I were mafia, why would I call attention to myself with a conspicuous flag? If I were a towns person, why would I give the mafia a hint at my nationality? Currently, he does seem like the scummiest player, because of the subtle accusation accompanied with his other posts.



I think it would be better to lynch C_C for now.

There is nothing in the thread itself discussing the flag itself. There is no new public content in between his first post in which he says "people are reading too much into his initial post", and "his initial post looks suspicious". He agrees that the flag is really bizarre but did not mention it in his first post - taking a very neutral stance if you will. Then suddenly he agrees with VE that the flag is indeed bizarre, despite the fact that no one has talked about it. He also throws in the bogus last line, indicating that his subtle accusation is also evidence against him, despite the fact that "people are reading too much into his initial post".

Verdict: MrZentor initially took a neutral stance, and after observation of how the town reacted to the case decided to help push it along. The lack of public thread discussion and the sharp contrast in his stance against CC suggests that he has talked to other people about it (read. scum buddies).

Also his initial post suggesting town lynch lurkers after hitting a few scum is downright weird.


I thought one thing and posted another. :/ I meant to say that people were reading too far into the flag on his first post. It was bizarre, but it really didn't tell us anything about C_C, so it was best to ignore it. It is important to note C_C's underhanded accusation of VE. It seemed like a scummy action.

His actual read on CC?
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2012 00:31 MrZentor wrote:
I do agree that his initial accusation looks suspicious. The flag is really bizarre, because I couldn't imagine posting it as mafia or towns person. If I were mafia, why would I call attention to myself with a conspicuous flag? If I were a towns person, why would I give the mafia a hint at my nationality? Currently, he does seem like the scummiest player, because of the subtle accusation accompanied with his other posts.


The thing that was just said to be only bizarre but something to be ignored, is actually the crux of his read on CC.
Inconsistencies are a huge scum tell and MrZentor have been caught in one.
Plus he is downright trolling gonzaw right now, and showing absolutely no effort in scumhunting.
Read his two other games (where he is town aligned) - much more content, much more purpose.

##Vote MrZentor


Rofl, I have been just waiting for an idiot to say this. Because a lot of people were talking about the flag, I had to show them why it was unhelpful and should be ignored; I was also showing why it wasn't part of my case.

I also like how you bolded everything but the most important part: "Currently, he does seem like the scummiest player, because of the subtle accusation accompanied with his other posts." I explicitly state the crux of my argument and why I'm ignoring part of the "evidence" other people were using.

And you think the evidence I'm ignoring is the crux of my arguement?
Scum or idiot?
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
March 30 2012 16:56 GMT
#700
On March 31 2012 01:52 gonzaw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 23:57 MrZentor wrote:
It's not my fault you are a retarded scum that doesn't know what a defense is.


I won't let you derail the discussion with ad hominems and misdirections
Get serious or I'm ignoring you until you die.



Show nested quote +
Rofl, I have been just waiting for an idiot to say this. Because a lot of people were talking about the flag, I had to show them why it was unhelpful and should be ignored; I was also showing why it wasn't part of my case.

I also like how you bolded everything but the most important part: "Currently, he does seem like the scummiest player, because of the subtle accusation accompanied with his other posts." I explicitly state the crux of my argument and why I'm ignoring part of the "evidence" other people were using.

And you think the evidence I'm ignoring is the crux of my arguement?
Scum or idiot?



The point is that is the only time you mention C_C.
And that was at the beginning of Day 1, and only dwelled with C_C's first posts.

You never stated what you thought about C_C's newer posts, you never stated what you thought about his case on Blue and if you thought his new actions made him more scummy or not.
Your reasons for voting C_C were ONLY based on his first 3-4 posts, and you completely disregarded his later ones



Zentor, could you even try to care about this game?

You call everybody that accuses you "Scum or idiot/stupid?", you don't defend yourself against the points I brought up, and you didn't respond before in N1 either.
You don't even try to post your thoughts on other people, or pressure anybody:

You haven't voted yet, so what are you waiting for? Who will you vote? Wtf are you doing if it's not trying to figure out who is scum, and vote them if you think they are?

You are just coasting and trolling everybody. I guess your scumteam thinks they've already won by killing both VE and BH, right?


This place is deserted atm people, that's bad. I'm still expecting other players thoughts on Zentor, and hopefully their votes.




Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 13:55 johnnywup wrote:
my read on zentor: he started off really helpful but got progressively less helpful. don't know if that entails scum, but don't think he should be a prime target atm unless someone can point out some explicitly scummy posts of his to me



What do you think about my case on him?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=322686&currentpage=28#547



@ET: So, do you think I'm scum or not? You haven't answered that question from mine before.


Scum calling me scum.
lolololololol
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
March 30 2012 18:02 GMT
#707
On March 31 2012 02:56 zelblade wrote:
Sorry for my dissapearance, some IRL stuff came up.

Regarding today's lynch and its candidates.



cccalf is basically either 1) lurking scum, or 2) newb/busy town who doesnt really care much about the game.

Either way, there is no way to discern his alignment from the complete lack of content he has posted. He is a ok lynch, one that I wouldnt mind supporting. He has had plenty of time to redeem himself for his lurkiness, and yet hasnt done so. Saving him for a vigi shot would be a better idea than lynching him here imo, but the primary problem is that we might not have one.



Zentor on the other hand..

Gonzaw makes several interesting points against him. Look at zentor's reactions to this case. He flips, calls everyone attacking him scum, and basically starts to not give a shit about the game. I seriously doubt a townie would react this way to be honest. I expect a townie to respond to the points, take a look at the agurement presented at the very least. All zentor does is post ridiculous crap and sums up the case against him as "I defended bluelightz".

Which is why:

##vote: MrZentor


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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
March 30 2012 18:36 GMT
#710
I think all people who aren't either idiots or scum will want to kill the scummy gonzaw.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
March 30 2012 18:58 GMT
#713
On March 31 2012 03:40 gonzaw wrote:
So why don't you even vote me....?

Oh, I will.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
March 30 2012 20:03 GMT
#716
On March 31 2012 04:31 gonzaw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2012 03:58 MrZentor wrote:
On March 31 2012 03:40 gonzaw wrote:
So why don't you even vote me....?

Oh, I will.



So what are you waiting for?

Are you waiting to see if a bandwagon against me forms first, so you can jump on it later? Are you waiting to see if you can vote for someone else later?


Don't be silly.

I just want you to fear the future.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
March 30 2012 22:25 GMT
#719
On March 31 2012 07:20 EchelonTee wrote:
Discussion is really, really dead... scum would probably only be ok with this if we were going in a nubular direction.

sloosh, nemesis, would you be willing to lynch cccalf? people are saying "let someone vig him", which implies there is a consensus that he is scum, but the only person attempting a push is Bluelightz. and what if there isn't a vig T_T


No, it means that he's useless to town.

[image loading]
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
March 30 2012 22:36 GMT
#721
On March 31 2012 07:33 EchelonTee wrote:
no, MrZentor you are not blzinghand you don't get to post images. especially when you're playing super derp.

Some people think cccalf is merely "useless town". others think that he should "definitely die" soon. others think that he is scummy (me, at the least). no one thinks that he is a hapless townie. Comparatively, I think sinensis is a hapless townie.

cccalf would be an easy bandwagon kill, for scum. there is a consensus that he should "die" for some reason, and it wouldn't be hard to start a push. yet there's some strange resistance against just killing him outright. There is nearly zero reason to think cccalf is town. any reason you don't want cccalf axed, MrZ?



Yeah, he's my scum buddy.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
March 30 2012 22:51 GMT
#724
What this means is he isn't taking it a seriously because he thinks he's already won. Because he's scum and is way ahead now
.

I would repost the picture of Mufasa, but I think it's self evident how stupid you are.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
March 30 2012 22:55 GMT
#726
Because I'm surrounded by idiots who can't see the obvious scum and vote for me for the most idiotic reasons.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
March 30 2012 23:02 GMT
#730
On March 31 2012 08:00 johnnywup wrote:
all you've done is call people idiots. you havent defended yourself nor given any good reasons why gonzaw is scum (thats the only person i see you scumhunting). So why the fuck are we the idiots? And who are the OBVIOUS scum for OBVIOUS reasons? -_-



It's amazing how you can answer your own questions.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
March 30 2012 23:05 GMT
#732
If you actually read his posts, you'll see it.

If you don't, I pity you.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
March 30 2012 23:11 GMT
#734
On March 31 2012 08:08 johnnywup wrote:
i have looked at his posts and i don't see anything.

I keep asking for you to explain it but you don't. FFS. you're almost definitely getting lynched at this rate so i'd just cooperate if i were you.


I highly doubt that even you idiots would lynch me.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
March 30 2012 23:28 GMT
#738
The more you post, the scummier you look.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
March 30 2012 23:33 GMT
#740
Pretty much.
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