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On March 21 2012 17:15 Xatalos wrote:
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On March 21 2012 16:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
hi I'm vanilla town
Wasn't Petyr supposed to be a neutral party...?
Anyways, glad the game started I hope the first day lynch won't be just a random lynch, like it usually is in the SC2 Mafia mod. At least here we have more time to "read" players and everyone has to post!
On March 21 2012 17:30 evantrees wrote:
Oh my starting already.
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On March 21 2012 16:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
hi I'm vanilla town
Lynch the Liar!
Where other men wield swords, he prefers the dagger.
Bugs are you going to be killing people on us or do you get to do something more amusing?
I think that we should kill one of these two because the first people to call bull on a claim are scum a hugely disproportionate amount of the time.
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I seem to remeber BC telling me this in strom mafia only for him to discover that everyone on our team other than him had pounced on redFF's tracker claim already
I suppose it's because scum want to encourage poor discussion spread distrust or push their agenda.. blah blah.
Who should we lynch?
Most of what he said is focussed on general topics that are easy to post about like why a no-lynch is bad, why we should/shouldn't focus on lurkers etc... . Whilst town can often get wrapped up in such discussion it isn't all that helpful.
He seems to be reacting to what happens by asking questions instead of trying to make anything happen.He appears to be quoting things so he can appear to be putting on pressure.
He contradicts himself here
This is a sketchy post. What does "interesting" mean? Is it scummy? You should draw conclusions rather than tell us that you look forward to reading peoples posts
It's getting late here so I'll post my lynch preferences in the morning. Hopefully there will be more content to analyze by then because right now it seems like the vast majority of players have yet to post much.
I would be more inclined to vote for somebody that is trying to tell me that it is.
cough Nicolas cough
On March 23 2012 06:10 Risen wrote:
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On March 22 2012 01:57 Oberyn wrote:
On March 22 2012 01:35 SamuelLJackson wrote:
On March 22 2012 01:20 GreYMisT wrote:
Guys I say we lynch Wherebugsgo, just to be certain.
Sand/Syllo can you guys sign you posts? It makes it a lot easier for the rest of us to keep track of who thinks what.
Xatalos, I'm interested on what you think about Wherebugsgo/littlefinger. How do you think we should go about interacting with him now that we know he is 3rd party?
Also i would like to assure everyone that even though I am hosting Aperture Mafia, the science will not keep me from being active here.
What part of MODCONFIRMED UNLYNCHABLE/UNKILLABLE do you not understand? Next person that discusses wbg or engages in any useless conversation with him get's my vote. Consider it like he is not even playing in this game.
I definitely agree with this. We shouldn't allow players to pretend to contribute by speculating on a role that has little impact on the events of the first few days. If wherebugsgo wants to coordinate with town to somehow mutually achieve our goals, then that's fine, but otherwise it is best to ignore him.
On March 22 2012 01:50 gumshoe wrote:
moving on lets discuss policy(it'll only take a bit and we may as well get it over with early on) do we set a preliminary lynch deadline?(im leaning 8 hours in advance if we do) Do we policy lynch hardcore lurkers?(by hardcore I mean like 3 one liners a cycle, personally for this because lynching lurkers always helps clear the air a bit and they werent helping anyway so nothing really lost) are we going to elect a mayor?( I've never done this before so I dont know how that works)
If you want to discuss policy, then why are you just giving a bunch of questions? You should share what your actual opinion is. A no-lynch should be out of the question as this person suggests:
On March 21 2012 23:39 Xatalos wrote:
Ah, damn it... No editing! However, I just thought that since you HAVE to vote every day, it might not be such a bad idea to throw random votes early. In my previous Mafia games it was common not to lynch anyone on the first day, and wait for clues on the second day. When people random lynched on the first day, it usually just meant an easier win for the Mafia.
We don't accomplish anything and obtain no information if everyone gets a free pass on day one. Lurkers should be pressured to post, but the day one lynch shouldn't only be focused on people without posts since it is also tough to generate information.
On March 21 2012 23:06 Xatalos wrote:
(At least we now get to see some interesting reactions, I hope! Acrofales had a quite interesting reaction, too, although it doesn't necessarily mean Mafia yet... Some people haven't said anything at all yet, and I can't wait to see what they say. At this rate there will be a huge amount of data to base lynch votes on )
This is a sketchy post. What does "interesting" mean? Is it scummy? You should draw conclusions rather than tell us that you look forward to reading peoples posts.
GIANT POST WITH LOTS OF OPINIONS.
I don't see how his posting could be construed as anti-town. He hasn't posted much, but what he has posted (for the most part) has been useful. Most definitely not a lynch candidate in my opinion. You can say he's being too neutral, but it's day 1 and there's not much to work with. We shouldn't lynch someone who is making an effort at quality posts.
Risen you totally missed the point, he was making very careful posts that have effort into them but little content. That was what was scummy, because it shows that he clearly cares about the game but not that he cares about town's sucess.
On March 23 2012 07:40 gumshoe wrote:
Next up I dont like how dispraortinate lay abouts posts are, what I mean by that is his reasons for accusing people really dont deserve the insta lynch verdict eh so whimsicaly doles out.
His first post says the players who called out wherebugso are scum, first off why just these two? Several people discussed it early on, are all of them scum? Your conviction seems to say so, but you drop it at the first sign of a more likely lynch.
You attack Oberyn for low content posts when you yourself and several other players have pretty much no content, then you say hes scummy because he uses qoutes, which is scummy how? Qoutes are evidence, I wish I wasn't so lazy so I would use them more, oh and hes scummy cause he asks questions, how is asking questions/light pressure not making stuff happen? Oh and the contradiction is pretty weak. You strike me as extremely reckless as a townie, especially because you don't address the rebuttals to your claims(which means you see your fairly baseless accusations as an ends within themselves, not a means to generate discussion)
All in all Oberon dosent look too scummy to me(though lists including null reads are never pretty) he needs to post more.
Oberon what do you think of Layabout?
All in all I'm leaning Layabout because we dont lose much if he dies, and if I'm wrong about Alderaan(despite the eerie similaities between this game and his first game as scum) well lost a strong townie. I'd be willing to lynch Acro for sure though, guy still hasn't contributed much at all.
Why are you voting for a "reckless townie"?
However Evantress or Xatalos would also make good targets.
Maybe risk nuke.
On March 23 2012 08:38 Alderan wrote:
Layabout who should we vote for if not for you?
On March 23 2012 10:26 Alderan wrote:
I have a social tonight, didn't realize earlier. I'll be out until late this evening or tomorrow morning. That said I'm putting my vote on Layabout for the time being. He's a huge detriment to town alive.
On March 23 2012 22:35 Alderan wrote:
Ok posting what I can before class, and then I'll be traveling back home for most of the day today.
@ DoYouHas - Again, I think you're meta'ing me too hard. I agree I've been lurkish this game, I've been a little bit busier than I originally anticipated.
@ Anyone that is clearing Layabout of suspicion. What have you seen from him to sway you otherwise? I just don't get it. He hasn't posted ANYTHING of substance. (That's not an exaggeration, it's literally been nothing.)
Frankly I expected much more from SLJ, so much so in fact that I think I'm willing to say that their play has been scummy thus far. They have provided such little to the town and have been extremely ambiguous in their pressures (Chaoser namely).
Why did you vote for me again?
(I say "again" but you never provided reason in the first place)
You have provided nothing of substance to back up your vote.
The way i see it, the sandro half of SLJ decided to vote for me and you decided to sheep them.
You think the SLJ is scummy.
But you are sheeping them....
Alderan is scum!
I don't think he really thinks i am scum
On March 24 2012 04:59 Mattchew wrote:
EBWOP: i meant to add in that i don't like lynching someone that i agree with that heavily day 1. i would like to see more from layabout
So would i but i need to clear my head first.
On March 24 2012 06:49 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Layabout are you around? Lynch in a bit over 2 hours; do you not care at all who gets lynched? You are at least theoretically in danger of being lynched, though obviously with the current vote spread it's pretty much impossible to lynch scum.
Greymist: he has posted more since then. Have they not made you re-evaluate your opinion at all?
In light of his recent posts I think oberyn cares about finding scum or at least he is bothering to produce the signs of looking for scum and i do not think we should lynch him.
I don't think greymist cares about finding scum. He has made many posts but the only lynch candidate he has pushed has been oberyn.
I looked at grey earlier but i thought it would be easier to vote for alerdan (who's vote on me is poorly justified) rather than to try to come up with some sub-par analysis, i was curious about why he was still telling us to lynch oberyn even though oberyn is showing more signs of a town agenda than half of the people in the thread.
By continuing to push oberyn it looks to me like Greymist is trying to keep the votes spread.
A greymist lynch sounds like the best option we still have.
also i would like to point out that leading the votes are for :
evantrees (3) - Mattchew, Sinensis, OriginalName
layabout (3) - SamuelLJackson, gumshoe, Alderan
Mattchew (3) - Acrofales, Xatalos, MrZentor, evantrees
an annoying dude
Did anybody else see my posting like this?
On March 24 2012 02:37 Alderan wrote:
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Evantrees- I mean what is there to say. He's got 6 posts, none of which with any substance. He think's you're scummy for reasons that he doesn't list and points a vig shot at you. I'm not sure if it's scummy, but as of now he's lurking the hardest out of anyone in the thread.
Xatalos- I'm getting noob town. I mean he wants to vote you for being aggressive, that's a bad play, but aside from that he's been generating discussion lately, and staying active. Not someone I'd feel comfortable lynching right now.
@Layabout- The reason I voted for you is because you have been lurking, and when you do actually post it's just one liners or one liners with a lot quoted. You have provided nothing to the town, and I didn't need Sandroba to tell me that...
On March 24 2012 07:05 Alderan wrote:
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On March 24 2012 03:40 DoYouHas wrote:
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On March 23 2012 19:13 Acrofales wrote:
I am not getting a scum read on Alderan. I have read DoYouHas' case and it seems to be entirely built from meta. Now I am inclined to disregard meta-arguments except for those people who know each other really well: one prior game does not make a very good analysis. Particularly it seems as if DoYouHas' argument hinges on Alderan playing the same in both games, which according to him is suspicious. WTF. Other than that I have gone through Alderan's filter, and while he does not seem to be contributing much, his few content posts seem town-oriented.
My case against Alderan does not hinge upon his meta (which btw, I have played 2 games with him. 1 scum, 1 town). That is what tipped me towards him being scum. I know there is a stigma against using meta against anyone that isn't a complete vet, but I think when a person says they screwed the town with their inactivity and apologize for it in their last game, it SHOULD be a red flag when that person posts little and avoids making cases or taking stands.
But let's move past meta, because my case really hinges upon the fact that Alderan has been spreading around suspicion while avoiding the spotlight of actually making a case. We are about 6 hours out from the deadline. Alderan has been suspicious of Lyter, Acro, Matt, Grey, Zealos, Layabout, and now SLJ. But he has not really pressured any of these people (with the possible exception of Layabout, but I happen to disagree with him that Layabout's posts have been scummy). Instead, he posts a short reason why they are suspicious, immediately drops it, and moves on to someone else. I find that behavior to be very anti-town. Alderan is good enough to realize (yes, he is) that if you want reactions you need to actually push someone. He has given no reason for anyone whom he suspects to take him seriously, because he isn't really trying to convince the rest of us. He just wants to look like he is scumhunting, without actually doing it.
Even now his vote is on Layabout because he had "been lurking, and when you do actually post it's just one liners or one liners with a lot quoted. You have provided nothing to the town". I find that strange because when I look at Layabout's filter I see him making it clear who he thinks is scummy and why, defending those thoughts, and pointing out voting that seems inconsistent. It is true that his filter is pretty sparse, but I definitely don't find it to be absent any substance and/or scummy. If Alderan was really going to choose a lurker why not Evan? Evan has an even shorter filter than Layabout's and has a poorly explained vote on Mattchew to top it off.
Then there is Alderan's bungling of Greymist and gumshoe. There was no reason for him to wait on his Greymist case or act like he was still null towards gumshoe. And even after gumshoe came back without disproving Alderan's case, Alderan decides to vote Layabout instead of Greymist. Alderan keeps going through the song and dance of scum hunting, but he never actually gets around to doing it.
Can we please start this game off on the right foot and lynch Alderan?
About the Greymist/gumshoe thing. Yes it does make sense to wait on gumshoe to post. Why would I create a post saying why I think gumshoe is town BEFORE he actually defends himself. I was basing my analysis off of 2 posts, so I was not totally sure if I was indeed correct. Had I posted prior to his defense, I would have given him ammunition if he was in fact scum. That's not something I'm ever going to do. I try to let everyone defend themselves first. It just makes sense.
I do agree with you about Evan, I just had not taken a look at his filter at the time and had not realized the extent of his lurkiness.
As for Layabout, he's doing the same thing you accuse me of (being suspicious of a lot of people) but you make no note of it. Look back at his filter. Here are his suspicions:
- Suspicious of Xatalos
- Suspicious of Evantrees
- Suspicious of Oberyn
- Suspicious of Nicholas
- Suspicious of Gumshoe
- Suspicious of me
- No longer suspicious of Oberyn.
How can you ignore this (which literally makes up every single one of his posts) and focus on me. I'm at least generating discussion. Layabout has done NOTHING but lurk and cast suspicion. He votes for me, because he doesn't think that I think that he is scum and he thinks I am sheeping with SLJ.
Compare the case against me and the case against Layabout. Use your head.
Bitch i haven't even read xat or evan's or nicholas's posts.
Upon reflection i think i will, gimme a sec
On March 24 2012 07:28 Risen wrote:
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On March 24 2012 07:26 layabout wrote:
i am switching
What the fuckkkkkkkkkkkkk, you're basing this off the words of an inconsistent wbg? zzzzzzzzzz
No, i am basing it off of the need for town to get on the same lynch and the chance that he might actually be scum since oberyn and syllo seem to think he is.
On March 24 2012 07:30 GreYMisT wrote:
Layabout, please dont make me switch my vote to you after I complained about people switching votes.
Don't you know how that will look to WBG?
Who do you honestly think we should lynch?
Since apparently voting for you is enough to earn your vote i am pretty sure it is not me.
Otherwise, that votecount is so horrendous and open to manipulation it might be best to mass switch to Nicolas so that we don't lose two townies.
On March 24 2012 07:44 GreYMisT wrote:
and actually making choices based on what WBG says, Im going to have to vote for him,
That sir, is an untruth!