On March 29 2012 23:22 Mattchew wrote: Unless chaoser is the boldest scum ever (pressure voting a 1st game teammate 11 posts into the game) I think you are both town.
Chaoser care to share with us any reads or something useful?
I was going to post my current reads right before night ended
For my first read, it's risk.nuke. He talks about how everyone else is bad at playing this game or hasn't contributed much but he himself has only really pushed for one person and that person is greymist. I already wrote about him on day one trying to misrepresent greymist and if one reads over his posts, you can see that he pretty much only says stuff about greymist and not much about anyone else. He says my filter is "useless" and I focused too much on risen and acro but if you look at HIS filter you can see that HE only focuses on greymist. He also weighs in a decent amount on the risen/acro issue, voting for acro when it was pretty clear at that point that it wouldn't have mattered. So really, his focus has just been greymist and acro/risen and I don't have much of a read on any of his other thoughts.
On March 27 2012 05:13 risk.nuke wrote: ##vote: acrofales
I consider him my top scum target.
SEcondly, due to the fact that acro was lynched and flipped mafia, we can actually learn a lot from reading his posts about other players. In particular is zealos. If you read over acro's posts throughout the game, as well as zealos' posts, you'll see a dramatic change between their opinions of each other. At the start of the game, they go at each other a lot, though in thoroughly wishy washy ways. The most that comes out of their arguments is that zealos is a lurker and acro is a newbie. Both are weak arguments that they probably thought no one would really bit on.
But once the Risen thing occurs, this happens:
On March 27 2012 02:08 Zealos wrote: I don't know if I've missed something, but I'm not sure why acro is under doubt?
On March 28 2012 06:45 Acrofales wrote: Trolololol. THAT is your idea of a detailed case on your scum list? You call out me, based ONLY on the red check. Xatalos, who you've been harping on all game. You may be right, I don't like his posting style either, but are wordiness and careful phrasing really scum tells?
Zealos is one of my clearest town reads. Evantrees and Lyter are lurkers and therefore high on almost everybody's scumlist.
Why are you covering for the king lurker of them all? Is Gumshoe your scumbuddy?
I judge your cases severely lacking in content, as it should be if posted by a mobster. But hell, it looks like I'll be dead tomorrow and you can keep manipulating this town.
They suddenly back off each other at around the same time relatively and do a complete 360 degree change in readings.
On March 26 2012 04:30 Zealos wrote: What if acro is the real DT and he is playing it well by not claiming?
Given that we now know that Acro was setting up for a fake blue claim (that he hilariously messed up), this seems to be part of their plan of setting up for that claim.
Read over the day 2/night 2 filters of both of them and compare to day 1 and it's hialrious the difference. While this line of happening by itself doesn't mean much, adding in mattchew's case on him, it becomes pretty obvious that he is scum. His scummy posting+his interactions with acro makes him my second top scum read.
For the last scum, I'm actually undecided between lyter and gumshoe. I've been suspicious of gumshoe ever since he posted this in regards to asking acro to "blueclaim":
On March 23 2012 07:40 gumshoe wrote: Hey guys, sorry i haven't checked in yet been busy with school(finals next week) anyways in regard to the blue thing, I did it because in my last game jackal was about to be lynched when he revealed the name of his character, thats what ended up setting us back on track. So I thought a similar thing could help Acro, I was also looking to see if he'd name the role and not the character, which would be a dead giveaway. It was a dumb plan, and I'm sorry but I still think acro is scum, what I especialy liked was how he pretty much assumed I was scum for accusing him and flipped out, I think he was trying to deflect the susiciun on him onto me, but hounestley its my own fault for letting him. If anyone has any more specific questions for me I should be reachable now
he says he asked acro to role claim because he thought it would "help" him like it did with jackal in a previous game where it got the town back on track. But then he says he thinks acro is mafia? That makes no sense because Why would he help someone he thought was mafia?
And even though he straight up says "I still think acro is scum", he decides to only FoS him and votes layabout instead. Off the really bad reasoning of "he might be aggressive scum or reckless town but he's dangerous as scum so let's lynch". why not just go find someone else that he thought is more likely to be scum? Like acro.
At the same time though, he did not vote day 2 and has not posted since. I don't think a mafia member would risk a mod kill like that which is why I am undecided between him and lyter.
Lyter, in a similar vein, has referenced acro a lot and defended him while being completely worthless, which is what seperates him from evantree. In particular, he posted this:
On March 25 2012 19:38 Xatalos wrote: So, Risen is pretty much either a Detective or Mafia...? I can't think of any reason why a non-Detective townie would act like he does at the moment. And I'm not entirely sure why a Mafia player would either (unless he's just desperate or something?). However, he seems to completely ignore the option of Acrofales being a Miller or framed, which makes me think he's a Mafia player (or a hasty and suicidal Detective). Also, his wish to end the day 2 ahead of time is pretty suspicious, since why would a townie ever want that?
I'm not really sure about his lynching, since there is a possibility of losing a Detective without gaining much (it doesn't yet make Acrofales Mafia, or prove anyone's innocence). But since there is a good chance of him being Mafia, or putting the pressure on Acrofales if he is a Detective, it doesn't seem like as bad a lynch as layabout. Since everyone seems to think gumshoe is innocent (for some reason), it wouldn't be of much use to vote for him anyway. I'll check back later to reconsider my vote, though. Hopefully there has been some more productive discussion and analysis by then, or even a better lynch target than Risen.
##Vote Risen
I can get behind the part about acro being possibly framed, looking back over day 1 he got a lot of flak for his overly defensive start and I would hazard a guess that he would be pretty high on the priority list for a detective to check out, hence also high for a framer to frame. But a detective should know that too, and hence I don't believe a detective should ever go after someone that was as in the limelight as Acro was because said risk is much greater. Which kinda makes me lean onto Risen being scummy combined with how ridiculously focussed he is on his theory that doesn't actually make much sense at all considering it is no way certain that Acro flips opposite to Risen.
that he later backs off here in his "i'm contributing!" but not really post:
On March 27 2012 09:20 Lyter wrote: Alright my reasoning for voting Risen isn't particularly mindblowing, I don't think there's much that hasn't already been said about him.
I think a lynch on him is just plain sensible at this point. If he is lynched, and flips town, then he will be DT because there is no reason to claim it and then be something else, that is just anti-town. So of course the other option is he flips mafia, and hurrah you killed a scum. If he flips DT like his claim, then no doubt he has checked Acro, the only issue is whether something else occurred that night like a framing which at least provides a slight positive in that you know there is some manipulative role out there. I think him creating a heck of a lot of spam taking up practically all of day 2's discussion is a pretty scummy move, would it not be wiser as a DT to just take note that you checked someone and they came up scum and maybe use that at a later more critical time? Part of me thinks it would be smarter to lynch acro then get risen day 3 if acro flips town, but that is only the case if we don't give any value to way Risen has acted over day 2 and just say its 50/50. But I think in this case he's been so destructive to progress that he kinda has to go before acro because it makes he comes across much shadier, trying to divert town attention away from something else that we may have have missed from the events of day/night 1.
As a footnote, I am still suspicious of ON but given that he's been replaced by Jitsu, I am willing to give him another cycle (since this one was cut short) to reevaluate.
On March 31 2012 06:41 Jitsu wrote: Zealos, can you link me to your case against GreYMisT?
You seem to be tunneling him fairly hard and want him dead, yet the only case I've seen in your filter is directed to Risen. Care to share your thoughts on why GreyMist should be dying tonight?
Also, what do you think of my case on Xatalos?
He doesn't have a case against him. This is the last mention of greymist from him before Mattchew and risk.nuke posted their suspicions on greymist. He thinks grey is townish.
On March 22 2012 23:13 Zealos wrote: Simply put: If you had to kill one person now, who would it be (Other than lurkers) The reason on the sudden flip about Grey was me being overeager to have an opinion, and not consider the fact it may well be a joke.
As for the copy of opinions already voiced, for me personally, if I agree with someone, I would rather elaborate on what they have said, rather than I simpler QFT or such.
Though I'm not sure where I defended gumshoe?
All of a sudden he changes to:
On March 29 2012 17:21 Zealos wrote: I think with Mattchew still playing and trying to lead the town on with his terrible leads is gonna lead to a mafia win, that being said, he clearly isn't scum. I wanna hear more from Greymist ##vote Greymist
in which he says he wants to hear more from greymist but this soon turns into straight up tunneling of greymist on the bullshit reasoning of:
On March 29 2012 17:43 Zealos wrote: Lol, night time, derp. Though after reading over Grey's filter it does seem "Convineint" that whenever the town gets a false lead such as risen, he becomes quiet and leaves us to lynch him, no words for or agaisnt.
I'm ok with lynching either risk or zealos but i'd rather lynch the former.
On April 01 2012 02:40 risk.nuke wrote: I'm exhausted. 8 hour examas does that.
So basicly the Zealous lynch is bad, 1. Zealous is one of the few more active people. 2. He's done some few bad stuff but he's also done some good stuff which is completely ignored which I just find curious.
You've still yet to show that was the "good stuff" he did dude.
On April 01 2012 20:47 Zealos wrote: Sorry, didn't get a chance to check over the thread before the lynch.
Won't get a chance to have a proper look over the thread till tonight, but I'll try to post something useful then.
On April 02 2012 03:12 Zealos wrote: I hope I don't seem scummy saying this, but, I have no real idea's. So far my reads have been pretty bad, and I'm struggling to think of anything.
If anyone has idea's I'd be up for discussing ect.
nothing "useful" yet lol.
##vote risk.nuke
BTW, we're at LYLO. It's 5 v 3 right now. If WBG is voting with scum, we CAN'T afford to make a mistake.
It's pretty clear zealos is mafia due to his...everything. Mattchew posted a great post on him and I have a post on him as well. Risk.nuke has been misrepresenting people all game and has yet to shown zealos posting "good useful things", diverting the lynch onto greymist. I'm ok with a lynch on either. gumshoe is probably the last mafia I think.
On April 02 2012 11:31 Zealos wrote: Yes, like I said, I don't know. I'm not experience enough to make good enough reads. I could write a massive paragraph of nothing, or try to see other people's thoughts and vote based off of that.
It's fucking day 5, not day 1. That excuse no longer works. Whatever, no use arguing with mafia.
On April 03 2012 21:05 Zealos wrote: I'm not siding with WBG, I'm siding with the 2 people who were killed last night after calling out Xata for being mafia.
wifom is the best you can do?
and looking over jitsu's filter, he had a comment about how matt wasn't going to die, basically softclaiming a protection role. the fact of that matter is, we have no real way of knowing why someone was killed. mattchew was killed the previous day while being all over you and ready to push for your lynch. Using your logic, you are mafia. but that is not how this game is played. it's played by looking over all posts over the entire game.
for example, we know that risk.nuke defended you with a non-defense:
"zealos has done some bad things but also some good things"
and then he never backed it up even though he was in thread. he also tunneled greymist all game, doing very little else and then claims other people weren't "contributing". At the same time he's misrepresented greymist over and over again; this has been pointed out multiple times.
everyone needs to get in and vote soon, it's lylo and mafia can sway a vote very easily, people vote for risk.nuke as he has been the scummiest.
And who are you, the proud lord said, that I must bow so low? Only a cat of a different coat, that's all the truth I know. In a coat of gold or a coat of red, a lion still has claws, And mine are long and sharp, my lord, as long and sharp as yours. And so he spoke, and so he spoke, that lord of Castamere, But now the rains weep o'er his hall, with no one there to hear. Yes now the rains weep o'er his hall, and not a soul to hear
On April 05 2012 12:00 Mattchew wrote: my only 2 reads on day 1 were right. I am just a pussy and didn't push them TT...
How the fuck did xatalos survive
It was actually pretty simple. Cause town was preoccupied with other shit. Risen and Acro tied up day 2 and 3. And then risk.nuke pushed for greymist finally on day 4. I counter pushed on risk.nuke really hard while defending greymist all game. I'm sure a lot of townies figured a lynch on greymist would be very telling of alignment in the thread. We were actually hoping for a greymist lynch since it would put A LOT of pressure on risk.nuke the next day. And it was a decent lynch so they went for it. Afterwards obviously risk.nuke looked scummy as fuck and so it was easy to push a lynch on him. Xatalos probably WOULD have gotten lynched had bigger things not come up.
Bad play from Risen claiming DT early, risk.nuke tunneling the fuck out of greymist + his horrible defense on zealos, and zealos playing really scummy won us the game
EPT
