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lol
yet he has not commented on anything else aside from tunneling acro, even when the other stuff happening in thread is tied to acro or has been a reaction to acro's posting. Mattchew has literally added nothing to the discussion while looking like he's applying pressure. It's basically false pressure.
so you want me to comment on what I am involved with already? wut?
and all i did was pressure a newbie who had a bad reaction, i just wanted to push him, and make him post some more.
The thread has talked about WBG (which is stupid), Gumshoe's "scumslip" (A common scum tactic to "catch" a townie on) and me/acro
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EBWOP: The thread has talked about WBG (which is stupid), Gumshoe's "scumslip" (A common scum tactic to "catch" a townie on) and me/acro, what else would you like me to talk about? Retarded policy lynches of liars and lurkers OH BOY!
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i will follow your example of posting about the many many other things going on in the thread
ps. I answer greymist's questions when he asks them of me
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On March 22 2012 08:33 DoYouHas wrote:
2. I don't like the way mattchew is posting. It is ignoring the fact that not only does he have to prove to himself that he is right, he has to prove to all of us that he is right. His style is alienating people who might agree with him which inherently reduces the value of his posts. You will notice that I am ignoring whether he is right/wrong, scum/town. That is because I don't know. In that last game I was in with him, SNMM7, he had a very similar style and was town. It was equally unhelpful then. So on one hand his meta suggests to me townie, but I find his style to be anti-town.
this is ironic
(from SNMM7)
On February 22 2012 08:58 DoYouHas wrote:
Mattchew, you're my hero.
Good Luck Town!
(I'll save my gg for when we win this thing, HUZZAH!)
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On March 22 2012 09:10 DoYouHas wrote:
Mattchew, you were my hero in SNMM7 because you defended me and made a case that I thought was good and had pegged many of the mafia (I was half wrong). After I died you failed to take up the leadership role that my endorsement should have garnered you because you were so busy posting 1 liners and pissing people off that you didn't rally people to your cause. You allowed mafia to be the reasonable voices in the town.
actually... i was out yelled by sloosh and then had the town turn on me. but that is neither here nor there. The fact still remains that I done nothing wrong or scummy. I have prompted conversation where there otherwise was none. I have put the spotlight on myself and have yet to shy away from it. I have answered all questions asked of me honestly and have explained my reasoning for what I am doing
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On March 22 2012 10:54 Alderan wrote:
Rereading through the thread, I think Mattchew's behavior has been bizarre to say the least. Everything he has commented on, whether it be the shaky at best case on Acro, or the "pressure" he has attempted to apply has come across a little bit disingenuous.
I'm not getting hung up on the one liners, playing with him for the tail end of a game previously leads me to believe that it's just his style, but he is someone who tends to act on more solid cases than the Acro case.
thats cause it was a shaky at best case. i started my pressure like 10 posts into the thread lol. I would happily oblige another case however there hasn't been one. The pressure was just to get him to post more cause his first post rubbed me the wrong way. since then he hasn't exactly alleviated these feelings however I would be up to lynch a stronger scum read by someone else that I trust or can see truth in
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I would be all about a Xatalos lynching today. He posts reek of "I want to look like the rest of you"
On March 22 2012 17:37 Xatalos wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Seems like a lot happened while I was sleeping  Nicolas hasn't responded to my vote, but maybe he's just busy with his life or something? Also, as someone said, voting without any evidence isn't really much of a pressure. Maybe I should drop my vote on him for now, although I don't like people just avoiding contact like this... Although I'm a newbie, I'll try to give my opinion on the "main suspects" for being Mafia (I'm going to ignore WBG's accusations, since I don't know what info he has or even what his motives are): 1) Acrofales: The first person to act suspiciously, becoming very defensive and aggressive after some pressure. He hasn't been otherwise suspicious though, so maybe he was just surprised by the situation and overreacted (he isn't a veteran, after all...). I wouldn't say he is cleared by his more recent actions, but I wouldn't say he is the main suspect either. 2) gumshoe: Suggesting a role claim for Acrofales might have been a plot to abuse his newness and to make him reveal a possibly critical town role, but I'm not sure about that. He didn't understand Petyr's role either at first - perhaps he didn't quite know what he was doing in his first posts. If he was a veteran, he would be very suspicious, but since he's not, I'm not sold on lynching him yet. 3) Mattchew: He hasn't said anything truly suspicious, but he has been extremely aggressive towards Acrofales, and even accused people of being Mafia for merely considering the innocence of Acrofales... Same as with gumshoe, he might be merely playing in a confusing way (newbie/personality trait), but to me he seems slightly more suspicious than gumshoe. As for Oberyn... I don't really think he's in the same league as these three. He has certainly been cautious, but not overly defensive. He hasn't contributed that much, but then again, neither have most of the players (yet). Why lynch him now, instead of one of these three? I'm going to change my vote to Mattchew for now, but it's definitely not final. I'll wait for some sort of consensus to appear, since there's still a lot of time left.
We should lynch Oberyn (or you) because the other 3 are town. (OMG I SAID ACRO WAS TOWN). "I'll wait for some sort of consensus to appear" = I will do what everyone else does so that I blend it.
Also he looks like he contributes, but in reality all of his posts say next to nothing. He tries to pressure vote Gumshoe, OriginalName, and Nicolas but is extremely flaky about each one and votes someone new basically as soon as they post regardless of what it is (Somehow he reads Gumshoe's posts and then moves his vote to OriginalName, and then calls Gumshoe his 2nd biggest scum read)
PS. He uses a ton of smilies
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MrZentor:
I really don't like that Mattchew attacks Lyter for defending Acrofales, who I think at this point is innocent. It also seems silly that Mattchew is 100% positive that Acrofales is innocent over one nooby overreaction. If you look at Mattchew's filter, you will see he only said something slightly helpful when he was asked to; everything else is just him attacking other people without any real reason.
Acrofales:
He does not answer MrZentor's questions or doubts, but instead deflects them and builds a straw man argument about whether or not he voted. This deflection is successful, because the rest of the entire page of discussion is about whether or not he actually voted: he STILL has not answered MrZentor's questions.
I am going to try and help you here. There are no questions posed here so how the fuck would I answer them. He calls my actions scummy, I disagree, what else is there to say about it. I explained what I did, it wasn't a "gambit" it was half serious pressure on you, to which you still seem butthurt over, but all it did was bring out the townie in you.
If you really think I was serious about calling lyter scum and anyone that defended you scum you are retarded, it was merely me trying to get you to respond for yourself.
I never had a "case" on you just a suspicion, I will reiterate this started like 10 - 15 posts into the game, 75% of people had not even posted yet.
I am using meta because that was brought up by others first, would you rather me just ignore them as you attempted to chastise me earlier for?
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Acrofales, please point me to the meaningful conversations that I people seemingly want me to take part in, I see almost NOTHING of value that I haven't commented on already. Otherwise you are just stealing others words and have no idea what you are talking about because no one has been able to bring up examples of these conversations, yet I am continually ignoring them?
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On March 23 2012 00:32 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 22:57 Mattchew wrote:
Also he looks like he contributes, but in reality all of his posts say next to nothing. He tries to pressure vote Gumshoe, OriginalName, and Nicolas but is extremely flaky about each one and votes someone new basically as soon as they post regardless of what it is (Somehow he reads Gumshoe's posts and then moves his vote to OriginalName, and then calls Gumshoe his 2nd biggest scum read)
"all of his posts say next to nothing" - I beg to differ. I was the first poster to advice we should ignore WBG and focus on Mafia, and I was also the first poster to notice how exaggerated Acro's response was to a simple pressure vote. You, on the other hand, have (instead of contributing) used mostly meaningless one liners, confusing arguments focusing on small details like if a pressure vote was "real" or not, and dodged questions by burrowing the discussion in petty arguing. You also seem to change your mind really easily - a moment ago Acro was Mafia, and now he is suddenly town? What happened during this time to change your mind, I'd like to hear the reason for that? I changed my vote between gumshoe, OriginalName and Nicolas because their first posts didn't really seem suspicious. Also, I failed to put them under heavier pressure, because I didn't yet have any evidence to pressure them with. Then I decided to try and pressure you, since you seemed at least as suspicious as Acro and gumshoe, but hadn't actually responded yet (only avoided confrontation by dodging and confusing the discussion). You didn't actually answer to any of the accusations (some of which have been said long ago) even now, although your response was at least somewhat productive this time around.
I was the first poster to advice we should ignore WBG and focus on Mafia and I was also the first poster to notice how exaggerated Acro's response was to a simple pressure vote"
Haha Petyr can't be lynched though... We'll just have to wait and see what he's going to do. It would be more productive to focus on finding out the Mafia players, since we can't do anything about Petyr, even if his win condition is to kill everyone else or something like that...
Acrofales had a quite interesting reaction, too, although it doesn't necessarily mean Mafia yet...
could you be any more soft about these opinions? and now you want credit for them? please. This is supposed to be you being the first to find mafia?
In any case: if my previous experiences have any value, chaoser and risk.nuke have a higher chance of being Mafia than town.
Everyone keeps speaking in vague terms at me such as "dodged questions" and "answer to any of the accusations (some of which have been said long ago)"...
Here is a direction question, what questions did I dodge and what accusations have I not responded to?
Also, I said before that my pressure brought out the townie in Acro, I never had a strong scum read on him (just a feeling) and never claimed to. I was just pressuring him to see how he would respond. My pressure worked because it brought out the town in Acro. That's why I switched my feelings on him.
Where exactly did I "dodge and confuse the discussion"?
Are you going to post this vague and terribly all game?
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On March 23 2012 02:36 DoYouHas wrote:
My vote is doing nothing where it is so I am going to sheep Samuel on Oberyn until I read a more convincing case or I write one myself.
##Unvote: Acrofales
##Vote: Oberyn
this isn't the best logic but is the right thing to do.
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On March 23 2012 05:34 SamuelLJackson wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 00:50 Risen wrote:
Class for another hour and a half, time for some reading when I get back. (Just an update for those who may think I'm lurking since I haven't posted as much as I should have) So how was the class? Any further updates? What do the people voting for Oberyn think about that post he just made?
Sandroba I presume?
He called like 5 people town 5 people scum gave like 4 people "passes" and then called the rest "idk or null"
There was a little of his own opinions in there (his reads on ald and sinensis)
There are some things I heavily disagree with such as
The way he is moving his vote around and seems to care about the lynch target makes me think he is town
Apparently requesting to replace out. Generally town players are more likely to replace out than scum, but that kinda goes into heuristics, rather than anything to rely on. I guess we give him a pass and see what his replacement comes up with.
All in all this post seemed genuine and honest. I would have liked him to actually take a stand and vote someone at then end but meh w/e
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On March 23 2012 04:08 Acrofales wrote:Also @Mattchew: Chaoser asked you why you were tunneling on me and what your opinion was of other discussions in the thread, including what you thought of Greymist. Your answer: Show nested quote +
EBWOP: The thread has talked about WBG (which is stupid), Gumshoe's "scumslip" (A common scum tactic to "catch" a townie on) and me/acro, what else would you like me to talk about? Retarded policy lynches of liars and lurkers OH BOY!
He then asked you why you put "scum slip" in quotes, and not just straight out? What was your reasoning for making it seem a fake scumslip, rather than an actual scumslip. Is gumshoe your scum buddie? Anyway, you have not answered that question. Talking about that, you defended gumshoe earlier as well by implying that either I or he was scum, but not both. Now that you think I'm town, do you think he's scum? As for MrZentor's question, he (indirectly) asked you why you accused Lyter, which you have only just replied with: you basically say it was a fake accusation. At the time it didn't seem fake. Also, you accuse me of being emotional, but this: Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 23:54 Mattchew wrote:
Acrofales, please point me to the meaningful conversations that I people seemingly want me to take part in, I see almost NOTHING of value that I haven't commented on already. Otherwise you are just stealing others words and have no idea what you are talking about because no one has been able to bring up examples of these conversations, yet I am continually ignoring them? is more emotional than I ever was. All I see here is a giant OMGUS defense. Mattchew is Mafia.
I put scum slip in quotes because thats what others were calling it. I don't believe it was a scum slip so I put it in quotes.
Talking about that, you defended gumshoe earlier as well by implying that either I or he was scum, but not both. Now that you think I'm town, do you think he's scum?
This is COMPLETELY untrue. I NEVER said that 1 of you had to be scum, I simply stated that I don't think its possible both of you are scum, there is a HUGE difference.
I called lyter scum, a lot of people will call a lot of people scum, sometimes it means something, sometimes its just a half -hearted reaction.
I never used OMGUS, I just pointed out the fact that you are repeating the same things and being vague in doing so. and I have yet to get emotionally invested in a mafia game, just annoyed (at like every single one)
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Hey Risen, once again you (like so many others) post vague things about people as if they have meaning. When you say something like "what he has posted is quality in my opinion" why don't you actually point out what is quality and why instead of just calling it quality.
btw i doubt that i am focusing on one guy when I never voted him, have made a case on someone else, and actually voted for a third person
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On March 23 2012 07:14 Zealos wrote:
The point he was making, Mattchew, is that you focus all your attention on one guy WITHOUT posting for him, which in his eye's is fishy. I am now off to bed though, so I'll answer and questions/make a fresh analysis in the morning. Nn.
he yells at me i answer his questions alongside my other posts. I still fail to see how I "tunneled" acro or anyone for that matter
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OMG 5 WHOLE POSTS ABOUT HIM 3 OF WHICH ARE NOT EVEN SERIOUS? NO WAYYYYY
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the fact that i make it seem like i know he is scum? i called him scum, its what we do in mafia games
he said he'd be back in an hour i was referencing that, it wasn't serious
you clearly do not know the meaning of tunneling.
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ON what do you think of Xatalos?
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Hey SLJ can you tell me what you think of me and this bandwagon on me?
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