EPT##vote: Layabout
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Alderan
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Alderan
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@ DoYouHas - Again, I think you're meta'ing me too hard. I agree I've been lurkish this game, I've been a little bit busier than I originally anticipated. @ Anyone that is clearing Layabout of suspicion. What have you seen from him to sway you otherwise? I just don't get it. He hasn't posted ANYTHING of substance. (That's not an exaggeration, it's literally been nothing.) Frankly I expected much more from SLJ, so much so in fact that I think I'm willing to say that their play has been scummy thus far. They have provided such little to the town and have been extremely ambiguous in their pressures (Chaoser namely). | ||
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Alderan
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Evantrees- I mean what is there to say. He's got 6 posts, none of which with any substance. He think's you're scummy for reasons that he doesn't list and points a vig shot at you. I'm not sure if it's scummy, but as of now he's lurking the hardest out of anyone in the thread. Xatalos- I'm getting noob town. I mean he wants to vote you for being aggressive, that's a bad play, but aside from that he's been generating discussion lately, and staying active. Not someone I'd feel comfortable lynching right now. @Layabout- The reason I voted for you is because you have been lurking, and when you do actually post it's just one liners or one liners with a lot quoted. You have provided nothing to the town, and I didn't need Sandroba to tell me that... | ||
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Alderan
United States463 Posts
I'll go into a little bit more detail on your case against me since I'm here for a little bit. Your main point revolves around the idea that given last game I should be more active than I am. Unfortunately I have not had the time to really provide a substantial amount to the thread thus far (This seems to be clearing up in coming days). You then say that I was wishy washy on Acro. You're right. I was. But admittedly so, I said from the very beginning that I'm not sold on the issue, the point of that post was to say he's either noob town and realized his mistake, or noob scum and reprimanded in the scumQT. His posting to me after the initial pressure indicated that the former was the case. As for the whole "stirring and cooling" thing, here's my thought process. I'm having a tough time getting a strong scum read on anyone, particularly some of the front-runner cases in the thread right now. What I was doing was trying to involve people in discussion that hopefully was not about only gumshoe and Acrofales. The suspicion that I cast was just that, suspicion. I wanted to force some reactions to help my reads. | ||
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Alderan
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On March 24 2012 03:40 DoYouHas wrote: My case against Alderan does not hinge upon his meta (which btw, I have played 2 games with him. 1 scum, 1 town). That is what tipped me towards him being scum. I know there is a stigma against using meta against anyone that isn't a complete vet, but I think when a person says they screwed the town with their inactivity and apologize for it in their last game, it SHOULD be a red flag when that person posts little and avoids making cases or taking stands. But let's move past meta, because my case really hinges upon the fact that Alderan has been spreading around suspicion while avoiding the spotlight of actually making a case. We are about 6 hours out from the deadline. Alderan has been suspicious of Lyter, Acro, Matt, Grey, Zealos, Layabout, and now SLJ. But he has not really pressured any of these people (with the possible exception of Layabout, but I happen to disagree with him that Layabout's posts have been scummy). Instead, he posts a short reason why they are suspicious, immediately drops it, and moves on to someone else. I find that behavior to be very anti-town. Alderan is good enough to realize (yes, he is) that if you want reactions you need to actually push someone. He has given no reason for anyone whom he suspects to take him seriously, because he isn't really trying to convince the rest of us. He just wants to look like he is scumhunting, without actually doing it. Even now his vote is on Layabout because he had "been lurking, and when you do actually post it's just one liners or one liners with a lot quoted. You have provided nothing to the town". I find that strange because when I look at Layabout's filter I see him making it clear who he thinks is scummy and why, defending those thoughts, and pointing out voting that seems inconsistent. It is true that his filter is pretty sparse, but I definitely don't find it to be absent any substance and/or scummy. If Alderan was really going to choose a lurker why not Evan? Evan has an even shorter filter than Layabout's and has a poorly explained vote on Mattchew to top it off. Then there is Alderan's bungling of Greymist and gumshoe. There was no reason for him to wait on his Greymist case or act like he was still null towards gumshoe. And even after gumshoe came back without disproving Alderan's case, Alderan decides to vote Layabout instead of Greymist. Alderan keeps going through the song and dance of scum hunting, but he never actually gets around to doing it. Can we please start this game off on the right foot and lynch Alderan? About the Greymist/gumshoe thing. Yes it does make sense to wait on gumshoe to post. Why would I create a post saying why I think gumshoe is town BEFORE he actually defends himself. I was basing my analysis off of 2 posts, so I was not totally sure if I was indeed correct. Had I posted prior to his defense, I would have given him ammunition if he was in fact scum. That's not something I'm ever going to do. I try to let everyone defend themselves first. It just makes sense. I do agree with you about Evan, I just had not taken a look at his filter at the time and had not realized the extent of his lurkiness. As for Layabout, he's doing the same thing you accuse me of (being suspicious of a lot of people) but you make no note of it. Look back at his filter. Here are his suspicions: - Suspicious of Xatalos - Suspicious of Evantrees - Suspicious of Oberyn - Suspicious of Nicholas - Suspicious of Gumshoe - Suspicious of me - No longer suspicious of Oberyn. How can you ignore this (which literally makes up every single one of his posts) and focus on me. I'm at least generating discussion. Layabout has done NOTHING but lurk and cast suspicion. He votes for me, because he doesn't think that I think that he is scum and he thinks I am sheeping with SLJ. Compare the case against me and the case against Layabout. Use your head. | ||
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Alderan
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Alderan
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+ Show Spoiler + On March 22 2012 20:56 layabout wrote: I wanted to replace into this game because I <3 these books and this game both of which are of epic proportions. But i may be alive in another game (or two) I think that we should kill one of these two because the first people to call bull on a claim are scum a hugely disproportionate amount of the time. + Show Spoiler + I seem to remeber BC telling me this in strom mafia only for him to discover that everyone on our team other than him had pounced on redFF's tracker claim already I suppose it's because scum want to encourage poor discussion spread distrust or push their agenda.. blah blah. Nicholas + Show Spoiler + On March 22 2012 21:27 layabout wrote: Is directly asking for a role claim scummy? I would be more inclined to vote for somebody that is trying to tell me that it is. cough Nicolas cough | ||
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Alderan
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On March 24 2012 07:44 layabout wrote: Who do you honestly think we should lynch? Since apparently voting for you is enough to earn your vote i am pretty sure it is not me. Otherwise, that votecount is so horrendous and open to manipulation it might be best to mass switch to Nicolas so that we don't lose two townies. Am I wrong in assuming that Nicholas will be replaced and not modkilled? | ||
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On March 24 2012 07:56 chaoser wrote: i am not jeremy lin That's good. Inconsistency really hurts the town. | ||
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On March 24 2012 08:24 risk.nuke wrote: Yes and no. Layabout is on 5, greymist is on 4. But layabout is such a incredibly dumb lynch I can't see the town not changing from him shortly (just need some more activity). Altough to be fair layabout was still a better lynch then most previous candidates because it will atleast provide some information on the people voting. However it's still terrible and dumb as hell since the case on layabout was he was slightly lurking and mostly meta. aka not playing as well as he should. Which isn't even no longer the case because he's come back and posted some sensible stuff. Can you point me to where these productive posts from Layabout are? I have no idea what you're talking about.... | ||
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On March 24 2012 08:55 risk.nuke wrote: if layabout was mafia, mafia could so easily save him and kill greymist right now. Unless you think the entire scumteam is already on greymist. Could that not work the other way around? | ||
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Alderan
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Risen doesn't mention Layabout ONE TIME prior to him voting for Greymist, then all of a sudden Layabout is guaranteed scum? Yeah right... I'm just surprised they used the same excuse as to why they switched to him... | ||
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Alderan
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On March 25 2012 06:37 GreYMisT wrote: Also aldeeran just saying X is scum, and coloring my name red does not make it so. if it did mafia would be a lot easier. Technically, I didn't even color your name red. What I did do was fail in not voting for you last night. | ||
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Alderan
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On March 25 2012 06:50 GreYMisT wrote: Just cutting it off at the pass as it were. Why am i scum again? - You make a terrible play pressuring Gumshoe. - Realize it and move to another lurkish player: Oberyn. - Your case against Oberyn is not as good as you want everyone to think it is. You're accusing a new player of being scum for not posting productively on the first day when you know good and well how much bull shit goes on Day 1 around here, especially in this game. - You scold town for switching vote targets, ironically just as you become a primary suspect. - You keep playing up this "suspicious" dropping of Oberyn as a target. The reason people dropped him as a primary lynch suspicion was because he had posted very little of substance and was lurking really hard, he began posting more, and with much more substance. I don't understand whats causing you to continue your suspicion but you're not suspicious of Evantrees or Lyter. You're tunneling really hard (except of course when you and your scum buddy had to switch votes to save you, in which case you were very open to changing vote targets). As an aside, I admire how selfish you were in getting Risen to put himself on the line for you, but I'm assuming that decision was calculated by the fact that Risen had been buddying you too hard Day 1. | ||
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Alderan
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On March 25 2012 07:16 Risen wrote: nou How did I buddy Greymist? I would have been on Greymist or evantrees (would have preferred Lyter over evantrees, but as the only lurker up for lynch was evan...) had layabout not blundered. Greymist even admitted you were buddying him. It's really obvious and I'm eating cereal right now. If you live through the night (which you shouldn't) I'll give you a detailed explanation. | ||
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Alderan
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+ Show Spoiler + YOU SWITCHED TO LAYABOUT WITHOUT EVEN SAYING HIS NAME, ONLY BECAUSE HE SWITCHED TO GREYMIST. YOU DID THE SAME FUCKING THING. | ||
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Alderan
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On March 25 2012 07:37 Risen wrote: EBWOP no support response to me calling him out for switching with no support. His reasoning is that two other people seem to think greymist is scum No supporting evidence in here either. So you want to tell me exactly where he provided any valid reasoning? Oh, there is none. You're also failing to acknowledge that he has already flipped town... | ||
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Alderan
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On March 25 2012 07:44 risk.nuke wrote: Btw townies, do you know how sad it is that the most pro-town person besides myself is the third party. Townies do you understand waht that means? Can you fathom how lousy you're playing. I wish the mafia would kill me tonight you so I don't have to play with you useless lurkers, morons and dumb-posters anymore. I read this in the voice of a 13 year old on Call of Duty. | ||
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I hope the first day lynch won't be just a random lynch, like it usually is in the SC2 Mafia mod. At least here we have more time to "read" players and everyone has to post!
