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On March 19 2012 08:03 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 07:33 xsksc wrote:On March 19 2012 07:32 sandroba wrote:
I'm disappoint that you think jonny is mafia. Let's kill jackal gogogo any particular reason or do you just feel like it? Are you still on the fence about Johnny? To me his reaction was pretty townie. He changed his read because he realised he had nothing to base it on. How is that scummy? Since then he has been on the backfoot all game long. VE just keeps nailing him with small errors that could come from both a town or scum. So why do think Johnny is scum?
+ Show Spoiler +On March 18 2012 10:14 xsksc wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 09:31 johnnywup wrote:
I'm town. If there's anything about me that makes me seem like scum, address it and i'll give my reasons on why I acted that way. I think a couple of your posts are a bit "off" if you look at them from a town perspective. Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 07:41 johnnywup wrote:
I don't buy it from VE, no reason to reveal faction at this stage in the game when no one is even accusing you. You may be trying to get our subconscious trust from the very beginning.
But I don't know. You could be lying but you could be telling the truth. It's too early to say which is more likely. But I've got an eye on you. This first post, I just can't get my head around it. A townie doesn't keep his faction hidden, it's extremely important to establish your innocence and let people KNOW that you're a townie. Then you posted your early game reads and said you thought Jackal was town, then when you're questioned about it, you instantly became wishy-washy about it. Reading your posts, I'm getting the feeling that you're posting for the sake of posting something, rather than trying to push a town agenda. I'm not saying you're scum, yet, but I really don't like the way you are posting. Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 07:41 johnnywup wrote:
But I don't know. You could be lying but you could be telling the truth. It's too early to say which is more likely. But I've got an eye on you. Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:32 johnnywup wrote:
Of course, I could be overthinking things. But this isn't concrete evidence, and will probably change after different events. Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:42 johnnywup wrote:
but like i said this opinion is not concrete and is very likely to change. You seem very keen to let everyone know how on the fence you are. Why?
My problem with him was his bad posting for the most part, I couldn't make sense of it, it didn't look like a townie to me, why would a townie be so worried about having an unpopular opinnion? If he's town he has nothing to hide! A johnny lynch in my eyes is preferrable to a lurker lynch or a no lynch, but I hope we can find someone scummier by the end of the day.
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Oh and my post to sandroba that you quoted was about lynching jackal, lol.
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On March 19 2012 10:03 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 07:57 Tobon wrote:
Okay, going back then: VE, why the unvote on Johnny? There was supposedly an explanation pending. There was never an explanation of my unvote pending. Don't worry about my unvote. Worry about your vote Tobon. You're not allowed to comment on ANYONE'S vote until you place your own - that's a new law I just enacted here in town. No one is allowed to comment on others' votes (or lack thereof) unless they've placed one of their own. Now, what there WAS incoming was my thoughts regarding Sloosh's case on xkxkxkjajekqnn. Personally I find the case to be a little strange. I can't really tell what about xsksc's behavior he actually finds scummy. Take this passage for instance. Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 15:18 slOosh wrote:
It's like mad libs, just replace "Jackal was town" with "johnnywup is scum" and xsksc's name with someone else's.
Wishy washy about his read, giving obvious advice about using our time without actually doing it himself and keen to explain why he did not add a vote even though no one actually asked him.
What does this mean? Let's take his advice and treat the quote as a Mad Lib and follow his instructions. Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 10:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
Then you posted your early game reads and said you thought johnnywup is scum, then when you're questioned about it, you instantly became wishy-washy about it.
Reading your posts, I'm getting the feeling that you're posting for the sake of posting something, rather than trying to push a town agenda.
You seem very keen to let everyone know how on the fence you are. Why? I fail to see how this exercise has in any way indicated that xsksc is scum at all. I fail to see how this indicates anything at all. Now, do I think slOosh is scum? Can't tell. First of all, he's at the very least willing to scumhunt...but his first 'case' is laughably bad, but I can't tell if it's bad in a scummy "let's make up some shit" kind of way or bad in a "this is suspicious, but I don't know how to say it" way. Right now I'm probably leaning town for the effort.
That's partly why I immediately thought chainsaw defence. People pressuring johnny, he's not getting much help, sloosh comes in with a nonsensical case on one of the people pressuring johnny.
"A player who defends another player by attacking the other player's attacker is very probably scum"
You're right, he could be town and trying to make an effort. However, if johnny turns out to be scum later on, we definitely need to take another look at sloosh.
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I should add that I'm specifically referring to this part
"but I can't tell if it's bad in a scummy "let's make up some shit" kind of way or bad in a "this is suspicious, but I don't know how to say it" way"
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Hypocrisy? How about this bro?
On March 19 2012 00:26 slOosh wrote:
I have already posted why I think johnnywup is town - I'd be happy to explain further but won't be doing so until you give your own stance.
On March 19 2012 00:26 slOosh wrote:
Add in some misrepresentation (painting me as someone stupid enough to try to convince someone that they are scum) and some more sidestepping (in the form of asking me for my stance without clarifying your own at all)
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I've asked you here : On March 19 2012 03:23 xsksc wrote:Now, I'd LOVE to know your reasons for being so sure that johnny is town, please. Because no, you haven't stated why, all you've said was this. Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 15:18 slOosh wrote:
I think johnnywup is town and he is responding like deer caught in headlights.
Why do you believe he is a newbie town and not a newbie mafia by the way he reacted? Let's roll with your example, why is he a deer and not a wolf? Both can be caught in headlights.
I have asked you at least 3 times for your reasons on believing that johnny is town. Each time you've neglected to answer, and you were the one who accused ME of sidestepping!
Oh yeah, what was it again? On March 19 2012 10:08 slOosh wrote:
I think it indicates hypocrisy which I treat as scum tell.
##Vote slOosh.
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That's going along with your logic of course.
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Dead thread :/
Where is everyone?
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On March 19 2012 11:51 johnnywup wrote:
I'm here.
Hiya johnny, let's do something constructive. If you could kill someone right now, who would it be and why?
How do you feel about the interactions between myself, sloosh, and VE?
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On March 19 2012 12:06 johnnywup wrote:
I'd kill tobon. He's very dodgy with answers and wants to kill anyone thats popularly being voted for lynching. Very scummy.
I feel like sloosh is more scummy than you in my eyes. VE is very...neutral. its very hard to read him. he's dictating conversations and his opinions seem to be valued more than anyone elses. He could be a mafia trying to get hold of the town, or he could be a townie being honest.
What about you?
I would shoot into the inactives, possibly Jackal. I know that jackal is a usually a strong town player, and tends to be pretty aggressive, so his inactivity is worrying me. Obviously he could just be busy (hungover? ), but there's already under 20 hours left and we've yet to hear much out of him, can't wait to hear his thoughts.
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On March 19 2012 12:17 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 11:03 Probulous wrote:On March 19 2012 08:23 Probulous wrote:
I want to know VE's reasoning for continuing his attack for so long. His vote comment "Lets see what falls out" sounds like a pressure vote, if so why keep going?
@VE, when you voted for Johnny did you intend for him to be lynched? VE, can you respond to this please. In light of your unvote I can only assume you no longer intend for him to be lynched. Of course I intend for him to be lynched. Why would I vote for him otherwise? Silly questions. Don't worry about my vote. It's mine and I'll control it. You worry about your vote. Do something with it.
I don't understand, why unvote if you intend for him to be lynched? Yes it's your vote, but people are still allowed to question it.
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On March 19 2012 12:49 slOosh wrote:
EBWOP: scratch that I'm rereading the whole thread. Realized I missed much stuff due to my dialogue w/ xsksc.
Maybe that's good idea, tunnel vision is never a good thing.
I think you are highly suspicious. Your case on me feels fabricated and nonsensical, and your filter contains nothing but silly attacks on me, you have literally commented on NOTHING else all game.
On March 19 2012 12:44 slOosh wrote:I didn't give my read because Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 05:54 slOosh wrote:
And all of this has nothing to do with johnnywup's alignment as you think it does.
It is your actions and motives in interaction with him. And I wanted a clear response to my case rather than something that wasn't my case.
Seriously, what on earth kind of reason is that to not elaborate on your read? Withholding information because I hadn't responded yet? WHY?
I don't care if your case on me had nothing to do with johnnys alighnment, your case on me is entirely irellevent to the question. I answered your questions (some of them several times -_-), yet you still neglect to answer me every single time I ask you. Why would it have been so difficult to tell me where you got your town read on him from? Scumbuddies?
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On March 19 2012 13:21 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 13:10 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 19 2012 12:53 Probulous wrote:
Fuck this
##Vote: VisceraEyes
Maybe you'll play now. I'm not interested in "selling" johnnywup to anyone as a lynch. If you don't agree with me, that's fine. I'm interested in hearing some other options, but half the players are inactive. So yeah, good luck with your VE vote. Let's see what that shakes loose. So you clearly don't believe he is scum then. Here is my thought process VE thinks Johnny is scum ->VE votes for Johnny Probulous doesn't think Johnny is scum-> Probulous asks for a clear case from VE to check if he is missing something VE tells Probulous to fuck off-> Probulous is confused A town VE would want people to vote for scum -> VE is not town If you believe Johnny is scum, you should want him lynched.
It looks like he wants him lynched, he just doesn't think there's enough people that also want him lynched so he's pursuing other options. That's how I see it.
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Hmm, I find it odd that most people seem to have so easily accepted johnny as a confused newb townie. Personally, I haven't really seen anything from him which is inherently town, he could just as easily be scum. Probulous, I'd too like to know why you used the words "confused" and "out of his depth" to defend him. Why does that make him town? If he rolled scum as a brand new player, he could just as easily fuck up and then panic when the pressure is applied. Maybe there's something I'm missing, but I'm yet to get a town vibe from him.
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Just woke up and caught up with the thread.
On March 20 2012 03:22 sandroba wrote:
It's actually rule 11. Breadcrumbing the specific phrasing of your role PM. Do not compare the phrasing in your role PM to prove your alignment. You can claim the abilities you have, but you can't use the specific phrasing of your role PM.
But I agree it's probably fair to wait for wbg to respond.
If snarf does end up getting modkilled for that, who's your next best pick for a lynch?
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On March 20 2012 04:11 Dirkzor wrote:Sandroba why did you change your opinion about xsksc? I've just went through his filter. While nothing stands out as super scummy the problem is that nothing stands out whatsoever. He have yet to point out who he think is scummy. He have voted sloosh but his case on him is worse the sloosh's case on himself. A few hours after voting sloosh, xsksc would shoot Jackal. Why not shoot the guy you're voting? Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 12:19 xsksc wrote:On March 19 2012 12:06 johnnywup wrote:
I'd kill tobon. He's very dodgy with answers and wants to kill anyone thats popularly being voted for lynching. Very scummy.
I feel like sloosh is more scummy than you in my eyes. VE is very...neutral. its very hard to read him. he's dictating conversations and his opinions seem to be valued more than anyone elses. He could be a mafia trying to get hold of the town, or he could be a townie being honest.
What about you? I would shoot into the inactives, possibly Jackal. I know that jackal is a usually a strong town player, and tends to be pretty aggressive, so his inactivity is worrying me. Obviously he could just be busy (hungover? ), but there's already under 20 hours left and we've yet to hear much out of him, can't wait to hear his thoughts. As Sandroba puts it: Show nested quote +Remember people, the ones that we are really looking after are people that are actively avoiding to say anything that could be considered scummy, trying to blend in and hide, while not actually doing anything thing useful and that's what can be observed about Snarfs xsksc's posting. Johnny is imo a bad lynch. I havent made up my mind about Tobon yet. Will read his filter now.
##Vote xsksc
I pointed out that sloosh is scum by his own logic, I'd gladly see him hang. Noone is showing interest in him however, and at that point I was also pretty worried by the extreme lack of Jackal in the thread, however if Sandrobas willing to give him time then I guess we're gonna give him time. Also, how the am I trying to blend in and hide? I've been one of the most active players today, I've been trying my best to create constructive conservation all game, and I've been as open and transparent as possible. If there is something you think I'm "actively avoiding" to say, say it out loud and I'll address it. Otherwise, I'm not particuarly sure why you're voting me.
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Could you clarify why you think I'm trying to blend in and hide, when I've been a ton more open AND active, than yourself dirk.
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What are you talking about? I've already said I find him highly suspicious. His case on me was so bad and nonsensical, it felt fabricated. VE thinks the guy might be town and it might just be bad scum-hunting, but I'm not so sure.
What do you want me to say? "I think this guys is 100% definitely scum with no chance of changing my mind", when I don't even have that much information on the guy? Don't be silly, I think the guy is scummy, but I'm not going to tunnel him all day when noone else is showing interest.
If you want my conclusive opinnion, it's one of confusion about your vote on me, as you've yet to point out something inherently scummy about me.
My vote was not downplayed in the slightest, the hypocrisy of his statement only made it stronger, like Johnny just pointed out.
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Also, has anyone actually come to a conclusive opinnion about ANYONE today, dirkzor? People are changing their minds left right and centre.
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On March 20 2012 04:48 Dirkzor wrote:
I'm inclined to believe that scum is not where I think they are day 1. Which is why I'm pushing xsksc. Tobon and Johnny are the easy outs which never produce scum anyway.
Probulous is also a good lynch candidate for a day 1 lynch. But lynch is coming up fast and we need to consolidate soon.
Unless I'm misinterprating that, you're pushing to lynch me because I'm not one of the places you would have found scum? I'd love to defend myself here, but you're giving me nothing.
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On March 20 2012 04:50 Dirkzor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 04:48 xsksc wrote:
Also, has anyone actually come to a conclusive opinnion about ANYONE today, dirkzor? People are changing their minds left right and centre. No. My scum read on you is not conslusive either. But at least I've taken a stance where you have not. I'm trying to push this forward while all your activity have done nothing more then increase the post count.
The thread would have been dead for hours last night if not for me, just because you're pushing a silly lynch doesn't mean your activity or stance is productive. Can you point out where I've been posting to increase post count? I've been asking productive questions and keeping the thread alive, while you "push this forward" with a case that you don't even have a proper reason for.
This "not taking a stance and trying to blend in and hide" nonsense can be applied to most of the players in the game, least of all me, lol.
You're not pushing anything forward with this, you're just wasting my time.
I'll write you a nice shiny conclusion because that's what you seem to be after.
My stance is wanting to see SlOosh flip, noone else wants this, so I'll see what Sandroba (near confirmed, strong town player, and people will actually listen to him) comes up with. Happy? Good.
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