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johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
March 18 2012 01:21 GMT
#182
i think the nolynch is supposed to be bold so i'll redo it

##vote no-lynch
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
March 18 2012 01:22 GMT
#184
You seem pretty eager getting everyone to lynch me, VE.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
March 18 2012 01:24 GMT
#186
Then why are you eager to lynch me?
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
March 18 2012 01:40 GMT
#191
i'm bad at the game first game, that might be a reason why im so bold @_@ i dont know when or when not to be bold with reads.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
March 18 2012 01:49 GMT
#194
On March 18 2012 10:42 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2012 10:40 johnnywup wrote:
i'm bad at the game first game, that might be a reason why im so bold @_@ i dont know when or when not to be bold with reads.


Yet you seem to know enough to immediately backpedal on a read because "then you'd be a prime lynch candidate". Why is that again, exactly?

i dont want to die
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
March 18 2012 01:56 GMT
#196
Because it seemed like it would be an unpopular opinion when people started questioning it a lot. Unpopular opinions=more people thinking im suspicious, and i don't want that. turns out not wanting to be suspicious makes me look more suspicious, will keep that in mind in later games or this game if i survive.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
March 18 2012 06:15 GMT
#199
On March 18 2012 14:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
Some of the best moves I've seen scum make have been by newer players in their first scum game, don't tell me what his scummates will let him do.

Go read XLVIII, Toadesstern, being one of the resident newer player scum members on the team, fake-claimed Doctor and introduced enough doubt into the town to help power through 2 no-lynches before we threw it all in at the end. This was after being advised against doing such a thing.

And you're telling me that you believe that not even 3 hours into the game, scum are dictating what their potential "newer players" are typing in-thread? Something tells me you haven't played scum many times here.

At any rate, good luck with defending the indefensible, because as little reason as you think I have to be attacking him, that's exactly as little reason you have for defending him unless you know something I don't. You say he's a new player - I say I'm calling out new player scum mistakes.

Now if you're done, I've got a scum to lynch.


you seem VERY intent on lynching me...
but you have a good point, if i were scum i would be more like a puppet anyways. but i dont think if i was scum that my scum-mates would want me to get lynched first day.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
March 18 2012 07:12 GMT
#203
it's almost always better to trust your own reads than other peoples reads, if you don't know their role.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
March 18 2012 18:57 GMT
#225
*yawn* morning everyone.



On March 19 2012 01:34 jcarlsoniv wrote:
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On March 19 2012 01:29 Nemesis wrote:
Explain my vote, eh? Well, I voted quite early in the day. Do you know why? Because I found (and still do find) his posting to be suspicious. So I placed a vote on him. I can find out information this way. But, sorry, I didn't mean to offend you and your scum buddy.

And what exactly have you found out since you voted for him since you haven't even questioned him one bit?


I've found out that, when put under pressure, johnnywup has been very keen on trying to clear his name, claiming he's just vanilla townie, and being very defensive in general. If he REALLY wants people to look elsewhere, he needs to start scumhunting for his own sake instead of just trying to be innocent.

Innocent people don't feel the need to be innocent. Guilty people do.

Of course I'm being defensive. Why would I want to die no matter what role I am? And about the scumhunting, I really have no clue who is scum at this point, I really would give reads if I had any.

On March 19 2012 03:23 xsksc wrote:
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On March 19 2012 00:26 slOosh wrote:
On March 18 2012 15:41 xsksc wrote:
Are you seriously trying to tell me I'm scum because I called him out on bad posting?
What "pre-emptive defense" are you talking about? In that quote I'm talking to VE after he called for votes on johnny, please read the thread properly.

On March 18 2012 15:18 slOosh wrote:

giving obvious advice about using our time without actually doing it himself


I don't understand what you mean here. It sounds like you're suggesting that I'm not taking my time? Please clarify.

Also, please state why you believe johnny is town, I'd be interested to know.


Yea I don't like this post - you are sidestepping and not addressing my suspicions.
1) The meat of my suspicions was not at all on your calling out, but your behavior after that.
2) I think it's pre-emptive because you are addressing a past stance in lieu of your present stance.
3) You take half a paragraph to assert that we have a lot of time and implicitly encourage thread stagnation as you do not offer any new discussion points or "push a town agenda"
4) You completely ignore my suspicions on your 'wishy-washy on the fence' nature point in my case.

Add in some misrepresentation (painting me as someone stupid enough to try to convince someone that they are scum) and some more sidestepping (in the form of asking me for my stance without clarifying your own at all) and right now you are my #1 read.

I have already posted why I think johnnywup is town - I'd be happy to explain further but won't be doing so until you give your own stance.


1) My only behaviour after calling him out was my reponse to VE, in which I say I'm going to wait and see how the rest of the day plays out.

2) What is it a pre-emptive defense of, exactly? You can rush into whatever you want, but I'm going to wait and see how he posts for the rest of the day. Is that a scum trait?
I've already said I will vote for his lynch, if we don't find someone more likely to flip scum. My "stance" never changed.

3) We do have plenty of time, keep in mind this was just a few hours after the game had started, we only had a few people posting. In my post that contains the "meat of your suspicions", I tell VE to put the breaks on a bit. I go on to say why I won't be joining his vote crusade until I've seen more of johnnys posts. Now, for whatever reason, you see it that I'm scummy because of this and you think that Johnny is a scared townie. Why then, would I wait and keep an open mind? Why doesn't scum xsk just throw an extremely easy vote on an extremely easy bandwagon? Because I'm town bro.

4) I ignored them because they're baseless. I've never been wishy-washy. My opinnion does not just change when I'm called out about it, like johnnys did. I don't care if it's unpopular. I would believe that he is 100% scum just from his responses to pressure IF it wasn't his first game, it sucks that we have to account for that, but we do, new players can make giant errors of judgement. I'm going to wait and see how he posts in the second part of day before I make my mind up. That's not being wishy-washy, it's being sensible.

As for the last part, I didn't mean to imply that you are stupid, I think your case is stupid however, especially now that I'm seeing where the meat of it originated.
I did not sidestep anything, I have nothing to pre-emptively defend from, and my stance on the matter should already be pretty obvious.

Now, I'd LOVE to know your reasons for being so sure that johnny is town, please. Because no, you haven't stated why, all you've said was this.
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2012 15:18 slOosh wrote:
I think johnnywup is town and he is responding like deer caught in headlights.

Why do you believe he is a newbie town and not a newbie mafia by the way he reacted? Let's roll with your example, why is he a deer and not a wolf? Both can be caught in headlights.


For the sake of argument, it's very possible that I'm a newb wolf caught in headlights. But if I was scum why would my scum-mates allow me to get killed first day?
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
March 18 2012 19:24 GMT
#228
hm when i read that post from jcarlson i was under the assumption he was talking about me, but i see what you mean now. thats a bit weird but i think its more of a bandwagon type thing (he wants to get on ve's good side)
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
March 18 2012 19:51 GMT
#230
I don't think they're that dissimilar situations, really.

But the thing is, when I was questioned about my opinions I felt attacked, wrongly or rightly, but I did. So I tried to back off, as I didn't feel that strongly about what I said, I was just trying to be helpful where I could. And of course, that led to a lot of red flags from people, so I tried to show that I didn't feel strongly about it which raised more red flags..so I didn't know what to do. I was put in a situation where any newb town would be struggling, and here I am. I don't know what to say at this point, because no matter what I say people are going to be accusing me of being scum when I am not. I honestly don't know who could be town or scum at this point, so I'm not very helpful there. So there, that's my thought process during this situation. I didn't know it would lead down this path, but it did, so here I am, trying to clear my head. So keep trying to lynch me, but it's a waste of lynch, you'll get a vanilla townie and you'll get no information from any of this.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
March 18 2012 22:29 GMT
#260
@tobon,

you think VE is scum because hes dictating the conversation?
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
March 18 2012 22:36 GMT
#269
that may be true but really we have no reason to think jackal is town or scum.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
March 18 2012 22:37 GMT
#270
but if you feel strongly that jackal is scum i will vote with you
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
March 19 2012 00:13 GMT
#290
i find it very scumlike from you, tobon, for wanting to lynch anyone you can. can you clarify on your reason on wanting to bandwagon lynch?
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
March 19 2012 00:29 GMT
#293
tobon seems very scum to me, agressive and wanting to kill whoever is easy to kill

##unvote no-lynch

##vote tobon
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
March 19 2012 00:29 GMT
#294
if bold matters

##unvote no-lynch

##vote tobon
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
March 19 2012 01:09 GMT
#299
Theres a poll in OP that asks which type of voting; Majority won
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
March 19 2012 02:51 GMT
#312
I'm here.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
March 19 2012 03:06 GMT
#314
I'd kill tobon. He's very dodgy with answers and wants to kill anyone thats popularly being voted for lynching. Very scummy.

I feel like sloosh is more scummy than you in my eyes. VE is very...neutral. its very hard to read him. he's dictating conversations and his opinions seem to be valued more than anyone elses. He could be a mafia trying to get hold of the town, or he could be a townie being honest.

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