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gonzaw
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/in I'll try one of these bigger games to see how I fare, playing too many newbie games in a row gets a little boring  Every player has their own unique kill flavor. You mean every player? Even those whose roles can't kill anyone? (for instance a VT) Or are you saying that some items may give their bearer the ability to kill? Also, let's hope I get to be Cave Johnson That way I can kill mafia....WITH COMBUSTIBLE LEMONS! | ||
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gonzaw
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On March 10 2012 07:17 iGrok wrote: You should ask Black Mesa, I think they have that file. Ehmm, after a little "incident" with Breen's niece, they don't let me in there anymore  | ||
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gonzaw
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On March 17 2012 02:09 VisceraEyes wrote: Oh, guys...I have a favor to ask. The running theme in TL towns these days is people joining a game and then fucking off until they're killed. This game is about collecting, analyzing and acting upon information contained in this thread...and it's likely to get very big very very fast. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE be prepared to read the thread...over and over again...I don't know what you've been told, but that's what this game is about. Not randomly lynching people because they made one post you didn't like. I'm going to be trying very very hard not to lose my shit this game as I tend to do...but it's going to be made so much harder if I notice people in the game who aren't playing. Come on guy! Play with me! I'd like it if some of you guys didn't spam that much either (whether I'm scum or town this time). Some of the previous games were almost impossible to read, like AC for instance. | ||
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gonzaw
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The gonzaw player is never wrong. Statistically, mafia win 64.37% of their games. The Serial Killer was a role created by egyptian townies to justify murdering each other at night. Back in 2010, Medic roles used to have a hidden feature, where they could choose to kill the host and save the Town Idiot. Fact: Lemons contain traces of potassium sulfate. Well okay, let's get started! ... I guess the derp and confusion has already started though >_> Drazerk, even if you chose to shoot VE because he was "strong", why didn't you wait until the middle of the day to see what information he would spit before dying? He also could have made you change your mind about his alignment (if he was town), so why didn't you consider that possibility? Also people, remember this: Also among you are some villains from your past I found through the rift. Sleeper Cell 2 was the "prequel" to this game (that game had references to Aperture Mafia in their Day/Night posts), so it's not bad to assume both that game and this one belong to the same "universe". So the sleeper agents might as well be the scum team as well, they are not "confirmed 3rd party". Also I wonder if the other "villains from your past" could mean scum/3rd party teams from other games. | ||
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gonzaw
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On March 17 2012 08:50 Adam4167 wrote: I really cant see a sleeper taking that shot in the first half-hour of the game. There's a small chance it could be a mafia ploy to get Drazerk into the spotlight or 'confirmed'. Far and away the most likely solution to me is that hes a trigger-happy townie who just struck gold. If the scum team is in fact the Sleeper agent, then they can't communicate with each other, so how can they plan this "ploy" you are speaking off? If Drazerk was SA, he didn't know VE was SA as well, so he didn't know he could make this ploy. Maybe he would have hit a townie, and his whole plan would go down the drain. | ||
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gonzaw
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If someone is elected on Day 1 to be Wheatly, could he get elected in subsuquent days, if there were more elections on next days? | ||
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gonzaw
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On March 17 2012 09:12 Adam4167 wrote: I assume there is also a 'standard' scum family out there, due to VE flipping black instead of red. Having just 4 sleeper agents in a 31 person game seems pretty ridiculous to me... but we'll see. The point is that Drazerk being Sleeper Agent, and planning shooting VE as a "ploy" doesn't make sense. He could still be from another scum faction, but in that case I don't think he would know VE was a sleeper agent (unless scum have a Day-DT as well, and got lucky). Okay, there have been only 6-7 people actively posting in this thread, and only 9-10 posted at all. The remaining 21-22 players need to post. | ||
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gonzaw
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On March 17 2012 09:25 Adam4167 wrote: I think you have missed my point. Regardless, its not worth dwelling on. Meh you are right, it's not that important. I'll just lay it all here though, so we can get past this "Who are scum? Was VE scum or 3rd party? Etc": -VE's win condition is that of mafia, "Your win condition is for the Cell to outnumber the remaining players in the game". Since the other normal/known 3rd party faction to have a similar win condition are the Cultists, and seeing as his role, nor SA roles from previous games convert people to their faction, then we could just safely assume they are not 3rd party, and are in fact a scum faction. The fact that the Day 1 post says there will be "villains from your past", and that we have to "kill them all"; and the fact that the Sleeper Agents were the "villains" from Sleeper Cell 2, which is in the same universe this game is set in, makes it VERY likely they are a scum team. -There are 3 more players belonging to this scum faction -It's likely there is another scum faction as well, meaning another "villain from the past" Also, I'd want to get elected as well. I doubt the Wheatly role will be some kind of Mole that becomes scum later on, it doesn't make sense from a balance point of view to punish town if they ever get a strong townie in said position to just make him scum/3rd party/etc later on. Also I'm town and I don't want scum to get any abilities from it (I know you guys don't know my alignement, but well that's my incentive for it). If the special ability is a vig shot, medic save, DT check, being bulletproof etc or a normal ability, I'd probably claim said ability. If it's an ability that would give scum too much info if revealed, then probably not. I won't lie now though, if I get elected, and the ability is interesting enough, I may lie about it if I'm pressured to confuse scum. However, this is just making another blue role, this "mayor" doesn't elect lynches, doesn't get any bodyguards. Apart from the "Special Ability" he's useless, so I don't think it would be too smart to dwell on who's elected, other than "He has an ability". | ||
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gonzaw
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On March 17 2012 10:01 Velinath wrote: This by itself means I will simply refuse to ever vote you in as Wheatley. Nonaccountability isn't a good idea. And why do you think it's not a good idea? What if the ability would give scum an advantage if revealed to the thread? For instance: Imagine the ability is just a DT check. Perhaps you'll be RBed from now till the end of the game if you state so. However, if you don't say anything, or you say "it made me bulletproof", it may confuse scum to not RB or hit you. Same the other way round, you claim you got a DT ability, but you were in fact bulletproof to attract RBs and hits. Not taking into account more complex abilities, that could be game changing if scum knew nothing about them. I will be honest, if that was the case I'd probably lie about it if I was pressured to state it, or I would basicly not tell it to the thread at all. And I believe you (if you are town) may do the same thing, even though you are asking for "accountability". If you are scum, you can just reveal a fake ability to town to confuse us as well. Either way, I think the Wheatly role will be ignored throughout the game, just like those "Special Abilities" from Election Mafia were. | ||
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gonzaw
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On March 17 2012 10:09 Blazinghand wrote: Anybody who thinks seriously about electing Gonzaw should take some time to seriously consider what they're doing with their lives. Velinath is better then? Is it because of the "accountability" thing? What are the reasons I wouldn't be a good candidate? Remember, you are just electing an ability; not a mayor; not a player with protection, just an ability. If you don't think I'm scum, what on earth would make me a bad candidate? If you do think I'm scum, or you have doubts about my alignment, then state your reasons for believing so. On March 17 2012 10:08 Bluelightz wrote: For the elections, I vote Mr.Wiggles to be Wheatley position, Mr.Wiggles is lookking fairly town and has put effort into his posts. ##Elect: Mr.Wiggles Why is he looking fairly town? He has 3 posts with almost no interesting content at all. Are you able to read Wiggles that well? If so, can you prove that? | ||
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gonzaw
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On March 17 2012 10:24 Bluelightz wrote: @gonzaw Would mafia ask this question? I think that Wiggles is town based on that he is posting like not being coordinated with other people. Ehmm, don't see how asking that questions makes it feel he's not coordinated with other people. Seems like a question that's totally unrelated to his alignment. Apart from that I don't see how you can think he's town. Also, where is Paperscraps? He just disappeared shortly after VE's death. Could be a time-zone thing, but either way I want to know why he was convinced VE was 3rd party, and why he suddenly went AFK when he was "Excited to get started". | ||
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gonzaw
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Well shit, forgot to vote for myself. | ||
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gonzaw
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I believe Drazerk is town. Mostly because of this: -His shot right at the start of the day. I doubt a scum would do that, it would put TREMENDOUS pressure on him right off the bat -His whole "I know Veli is town, because of bla bla bla", and not have Veli state otherwise, which means it's likely they are both town or they are both scum. I'd want Velinath to confirm that Drazerk isn't speaking bullshit though. -Using an item on Wiggles. If he tells the truth, then I doubt scum would throw away an item like that, they would probably keep it, at least for some more time. -He seems to have a lot of activity by this point, and considering 20 or so players are all inactive, I don't see why he would need to do so if he were scum (it would be easier for him to just lurk a little bit). Considering that, if Drazerk is 100% convinced Velinath is town, then I would prefer Velinath to be elected Wheatly rather than anybody else. However, I would want more participation from Velinath to decide. As for suspicions, I already stated why I'm irky towards Paperscraps, but I want to hear more from him. I'm suspicious of Wiggles, mostly because he was not inactive, but didn't contribute anything to the discussion, and had plenty of opportunities to post more than what he did, and post more content than what he did. I get a bad feeling out of Blazinghand, specially with his cockyness. On March 17 2012 10:08 Blazinghand wrote: Why should we trust you? What reasons do you possibly have? My thoughts on you are "dayvig with poor trigger discipline" but I don't see how that qualifies you to make some sort of decision like this. Simply asking for people's trust without anything to back it up is completely meaningless, it doesn't add anything to your vote. ##Elect: blzinghand If elected, I will lower taxes, raise spending, and balance the budget. On March 17 2012 10:17 Blazinghand wrote: ...and.... we NEED to trust you? Come on, man, you can play better than this. So trigger happy, so poorly explained, on both your shot and your Elect vote. ;_; Let's get some serious cases here. Look, I promised to lower taxes, raise spending,a nd balance the budget. What's your case for Veli? Like a real case. Do you think Drazerk is town or scum? What do you mean by "you can play better than this"? Are you assuming he's town? If so, why wouldn't you trust him on something that happens to be based on his role or actions with his items? | ||
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gonzaw
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On March 17 2012 11:07 Kenpachi wrote: OK IVE BEEN INFORMED. We must gain majority on Voting GLaDOS in this thread instead of the Voting Thread (player will still die) SO DONT BE DERP LIKE ME I won't do anything until you tell us what exact superpowers you receive, or give us more info about this GLaDOS thing. Is GLaDOS an actual player from us? Like an actual role? Scum role perhaps? Does this kill that player? Or does it trigger another thing? | ||
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gonzaw
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So why do you think I even have an item? Also people, what do you guys think about Blazinghand, Wiggles and Drazerk? | ||
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gonzaw
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On March 17 2012 11:25 Grackaroni wrote: No role related reason. Just a random thought. Ehmm, that's not ramdom at all. If it was indeed a random thought, what was the purpose of posting it? | ||
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gonzaw
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On March 17 2012 14:38 Velinath wrote: What's your reasoning here? A random before-any-posting dayvig shot doesn't really mean a lot - with a game with as many unique rules (and factions!) as this one, I don't see how we can confirm anyone town this early. Cool, do you have anything to say regarding Drazerk's comments? Here: On March 17 2012 10:00 Drazerk wrote: I propose Velinath gets Wheatley then - I have my reasons but I am going to need you to trust me on this one other whys I might screw towns chances at victory. ##Elect: Velinath On March 17 2012 10:11 Drazerk wrote: Honestly that was just bad timing as you can see I have been posting rapidly all game I chose to vote for Velinath for something he had already done and wanted myself to be the one to propose him. On March 17 2012 10:19 Drazerk wrote: I know he is the same as me or a DT. Either way I am certain he is not scum and so gets my vote and I want you to vote for him. No, don't tell me if you are Day-DT and checked him or not, I don't care. Just tell me if he's bullshitting or not, or if you have no idea what he's talking about. Lanaina, sinani, Zephird, what do you think about Blazinghand? And what do you think about Midnight? Any other thoughts/reads from you guys are welcomed @Grack: Do you really need lemons? Do they have something to do with your role, or are you just having some fun? On March 17 2012 15:09 Mr. Wiggles wrote: He claimed after the flip, and not before. He didn't say, "I'm shooting VE", and then shot VE. Instead, he shot VE, then claimed after the flip. That is, he claimed only after we knew he killed an anti-town player. If he's scum and VE flipped town, there's no way he'd have claimed. If he's town, maybe, maybe not. Either way, he claimed after the flip, and that makes the fact of claiming the shot a null tell. To call him confirmed town for claiming is either jumping to conclusions, or trying to push a scumbuddy's status. So what do you think about the other things Drazerk did? For instance his "Don't vote me" thing, or the "I know Vel is town" statement, or him giving you an item? Also, Wiggles, anything else to contribute? @Kenpachi: Please stop spamming | ||
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gonzaw
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On March 17 2012 15:18 Lanaia wrote: I have to reread midnight as he didn't stand out that well in my mind. Blazinghand I think is town. Kay. You know, I expect people to state their reasons whenever they say "I think X is town/scum", that way we don't waste thread space by asking you for them. Either way, why do you think BH is town? | ||
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gonzaw
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This is a Closed setup :D However there will be full role reveal upon death, so at least that’s something. It says it reveals the role, but doesn't say it reveals the alignment. So VE could have been RED, but his alignment didn't flip. I guess we can only confirm this with the next flips though. | ||
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gonzaw
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On March 17 2012 15:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote: All of his actions are riding off of cryptic hints about his role, and that instantly makes me distrust it, same as for Kenpachi's claim. He only says to vote for him, or it might hurt the town. Then he says I'm not the same as him, but this other guy is the same as him or a DT, but we don't even know what he is, or what it means to be the same as him. Voting for the person he wants, only works if you actually believe everything he's saying for sure, and completely trust him. I don't, so I'm going to make my own read and vote for a person I think is town, and who I think is capable enough to use a power role without blowing up the town. I haven't received any notifications about him giving me an item. Can you link where he said that? On March 17 2012 10:23 Drazerk wrote: Wiggles is someone who should never win the election for several reasons 1) If he is scum we are screwed and there is no coming back 2) If he is town and it turns bad we are also screwed 3) I used an item on Wiggles and know he is not the same as me which makes me hesitant for anyone to vote for him without an excellent argument In fact, he used an item on you, not gave you one. I thought you would get notified of it as well though So, do you think Drazerk could have pulled all those "cryptic hints" as scum? Do you think he could have faked them? On March 17 2012 15:31 Kenpachi wrote: ^ you're dumb. he flipped as a member of the Sleeper Cell. We can imply that hes part of the 3rd party because Sleeper Cell is a concept unfitting for a standard Mafia. Is this game "standard Mafia"? If you can tell me how a party whose win condition is "You have to outnumber the remaining players", that's not Cultst, is 3rd party; then I'm all ears. Also, to Kenpachi/Drazerk: If you are town, and have some cryptic/hidden thing about your role, then it will be best if you don't even mention it, since it will cause more confusion. So either fully expand on it, giving us all the info; or just don't say anything, unless there's a (good) plan behind it. | ||
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