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On March 24 2012 14:15 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 19:54 Dirk Hardpec wrote:
Haven't read the thread yet.
I have a lemon. I gave my lemon to ghost and grack. If nobody claims to have given a lemon to dirk, then he probably obtained it from through a night kill. I also marked Palmar for death last night. He will die tomorrow night. The fact that he hasn't claimed it in the thread shows he is clearly hiding something as he is informed of his fate. Palmar seems content with a nisani lynch, which probably doesn't bode well. sinani surviving the hit because he happens to be a vet is too convenient. Been really busy, but this thread is really dead. What happened?
So who do you want to lynch today? Im assuming sinani. Do you still think wiggles is scum?
Also I suspect that the "VT" in this game is basically something similar to what grackoni was, having the ability to shoot if he get da lemonz. If dirk got a lemon from a night kill, (Does it actually say wether you got it from a night kill or it was given..?) why would he claim it? Makes no sense.
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Considering the candidates today, I am in favor for a sinani lynch, but honestly I wouldnt terribly mind either of the other two.
##vote: sinani201
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It probably really went to nisani. THere are basically 3 possibilities here.
1) Nisani is town and telling the truth.
2) Nisani is a scum inventor, gave the camera to himself.
3) A scum inventor gave it to him.
4) Nisani is lying out of his ass and the person who got the camera is a dumbtard for not counterclaiming.
5) A town inventor somehow had a town read on him n1.
Im going to assume that 4 & 5 can be eliminated since I have some faith in this town. Im actually unsure which of the first 3 it is now, and I need to reread nisani's filter carefully which I would do later. I thought he was pretty scummy before this whole incident though his responses to the pressure (which I havent taken a good look at) might redeem him.
Going for dinner soon, anything to ask just shoot.
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Palmar apprently doesnt seem to want to put in any sort of effort ._.
It seems thats a scum tell for palmar from what I have read, but I believe him town actually considering some stuff in the mason QT.
Foolishness's dissapearance is worrying considering his reputation, and his current position in the game (probably not scum). His reads will be trusted if he pushes them, and if he has been following the game like he seems to have been doing I find it hard to believe that he has no reads. Its already day 3 and theres ton of content for him to pick away at and catch us some scum. Considering that he most likely is going to die again tonight, he needs to push whatever cases he can now. Im willing to give him till the end of night 3 though since he might have catching up to do.
Also please stop posting in rhyme if it isnt a post restriction. Scum are probably going to shoot you again anyway, but this thime theres a higher chance you are going to get protected, so I doubt its uneccessary to fake a post restriciton (which I believe is what you are doing) to make youself seem like less of a threat. Of course all this is assuming youre town.
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I just realised what JJ54 means -.-
Agree that you wouldnt give someone something similar to a gun if his first targert was probably going to be you. Since that doesnt make sense regardless of alignment... I have no idea wtfck is going on. Need to hear nisani's response on this.
Will try to figure this out later, really need to go now. Bye.
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Ok guys. This is from my phone and I think its a rather important point.
Nisani's claim is most likely faked. Look at all the flipped people. They all have role names. When you are going to be lynched and want to claim you claim every single aspect about your goddamed role - including the name (im refering to stuff like flux guardian, the grey fox). I dont buy that his rolename is inventor considering the nature of this game - it most likely has some sort of flavor - and the fact that he didnt claim it along with his claim shows something is off. The lack of breadcrumbs doesnt exactly help with this, though this is a rather weak point I guess.
And theres jj54s stuff. Thats quite a few slips.
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Completely agree with ghost regarding wiggles.
Dirk hasnt been doing crap in the qt either, it was what he did before me and jj were added that makes me think hes town.
I think there might be a busdriver involved in all this crap who may have bussed the item to nisani.
What is making me doubt myself is how he knew what the strings did though.
Looking forward to nisanis explanation.
At this rate sinani is going to get yet another free pass but I guess that cannot be helped -.-
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I seriously wonder how many townies there actually are. We have 3 sleepers left, 3 great powers left, x scum left. Maybe thats why this many people arent bothering to contribute? -.-"
I need to go do some stuff. Townies please contribute more than "I want to lynch XXX today", thanks.
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I assume u havent been reading the thread from the start of the game?
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On March 25 2012 00:17 Sbrubbles wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 24 2012 20:48 zelblade wrote:
It probably really went to nisani. THere are basically 3 possibilities here.
1) Nisani is town and telling the truth.
2) Nisani is a scum inventor, gave the camera to himself.
3) A scum inventor gave it to him.
4) Nisani is lying out of his ass and the person who got the camera is a dumbtard for not counterclaiming.
5) A town inventor somehow had a town read on him n1.
Im going to assume that 4 & 5 can be eliminated since I have some faith in this town. Im actually unsure which of the first 3 it is now, and I need to reread nisani's filter carefully which I would do later. I thought he was pretty scummy before this whole incident though his responses to the pressure (which I havent taken a good look at) might redeem him.
Going for dinner soon, anything to ask just shoot. Why would you disreguard 4)? The case against him is strong even without all this item business. If town can lynch him without revealing who has the camera, better. Zelblade, are you item-fishing? + Show Spoiler +On March 24 2012 18:38 Jayjay54 wrote:I mean, if you're really an inventor. And you want to survive, why would you give an item which basically vigs to a player who posted: Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 03:50 Jayjay54 wrote:
I am not saying that dirk is looking good, but I say that there are better targets. C_C, Nisani, maybe adam. Some more.
Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 03:27 Jayjay54 wrote:
Nisani underperforms as hell. Don't like that. Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 04:10 Jayjay54 wrote:
I think adam, nisani and blue are all reasonable targets. Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 08:47 Jayjay54 wrote:
So, I personally would like a different lynch choice. Right now, Nisani. Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 09:12 Jayjay54 wrote:
going to sleep now. and I want to stress again, dirk is not confirmed, but his role is townish and the case wasn't as good. I'd like to lynch somebody else. If you think dirk's filter says nothing, look at nisani's.
Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 02:17 Jayjay54 wrote:
nisani can play much better...which makes me think he is scum...
Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 01:13 Jayjay54 wrote:On March 22 2012 00:26 Nisani201 wrote:On March 22 2012 00:01 Adam4167 wrote:Nisani, when I compare your filter in this game to your filter in NMM1 ( Nisani in NMM1), its like two different people. Nisani in NMM1 is also lurking and has a small filter, but you can see he genuinely cares about the direction the game is heading. He is also supremely confident in his reads. Now comparing that to this game, you seem disinterested, your reads are lacking in confidence, and you seem to be happy just to let things unfold however they do. Can we expect a case that requires some form of actual effort? such as: This CaseYou played well in NMM1, even if you were lynched by town. If that nisani doesn't come back soon, I will happily vote to see you swing. I am off to bed, its 1:30am here. Ill set my alarm so I am here before the lynch to put my vote somewhere meaningful. My play in this game is different for a lot of reasons. Mainly because I'm more active in mini games because the thread is shorter. Also, there's not much to talk about this game-- as I've mentioned earlier, this is pretty much a repeat of Day 1 because it's impossible to draw information from Drazerk's lynch. Recently I've been trying to avoid analyses in big games because most of them suffer from confirmation bias; it's very easy to take anyone's filter and twist what they say to get an analysis (read TL Mafia XLII if you want to see a game where this happened a lot). On Dirk: he's posted his read, which is what I was looking for before, but the analysis seems butchered like I mentioned above and it seems like he picked a random filter and pointed at random flaws in it. I'm going to trust that Palmar revealed himself by accident and it wasn't a trick to get us to pull votes off of him. I'll keep my vote on him for now, but I'd like to see a votecount to see if a switch to Bluelightz is still viable. I would be ok with lynching him instead of Dirk. At that time the vote count was: Lightz 5 Dirk 3 (including himself and Sinani) Kenpachi 2 Kita 1 Ghost 1 Wiggles 1 When Nisani voted he tied the vote count 2-2. He MUST have seen that this is a close one. You make a big post like that and ask for a vote count? I want you guys to look at the voting thread around 00:00 march 22. Just take a brief glimps, 10 seconds, you immediately see that the vote is nowhere near decided. What you don’t see is a stong mayority for dirk. The last 5 votes at that time were NOT dirk. This is bullshit. You mention that the only reason that you don’t voteswitch is that you don’t know if a switch is viable? With like 10 hours to go? This is already not towny. And you take the time and make a larger post like you did (which took at least 5 mins to write) and never mind to justify your reason by looking at the voting thread for 10 seconds? Really? I don’t buy it. You just want to avoid lynching your GF. Your posts have been oneliners all over the place, your accusations are week. Your answer to me calling you a vig target is “Why am I a target” and then you disappear again? You say you are suspicious of lightz early on? On March 21 2012 09:33 Nisani201 wrote:
Kenpachi you are right. Bluelightz does not look town either. And in the past, I've found that chainsawing Sinani has been really useful for finding scum so he goes on my scum list.
I still want to lynch Dirk though. This is the only time you mention him. That’s randomly dropping a name. That’s not pushing or anything. No one even read that. The last line is your real intention. Remember this post if I die tonight. Nisani needs to be vigged or lynched. Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 01:44 Jayjay54 wrote:On March 23 2012 01:40 Nisani201 wrote:
Just because I wanted to lynch Dirk more than Bluelightz doesn't mean I'm scum. I'm not trying to take credit for the Bluelightz lynch. Would you still think I were scum if I had kept my vote on Dirk? I wanted to kill you before and now I caught you lying. Your defense on somebody else's post on you was something like I was suspicious of blue before, so you try to get towncreds for that. yes of course, I'd still think you're scum, if you had your vote on dirk. But the excuse for not voting lightz was a blunt lie and that's why I am even more certain now. ^^ both posts BEFORE I got the item. There are like 10 posts in which I mention that Nisani is a priority to me. Tell me guys, is that the one. you give your powerful item WITH VIG ability to? No? Damn right, he's (once more) lying! you, sir, are no inventor. you just happen to have a portal gun and used it on me. I totally agree with this point. From a town perspective, it doesn't make sense to give the person targeting you a means for him to kill you. Well, it doesn't make sense from any perspective, unless he claimed immediately after giving the item to avoid said shot. That said, there's a chance that he's really telling the truth and thought he could give JayJay the item, not get vigged and not get lynched without claiming anything. Small chance, but there nonetheless. Can we afford to give him the benefit of a doubt and instruct him on what to invent tomorrow? Tomorrow we'll be 100% sure if he was lying and we can lynch someone else today. I maintain my position on Sinani as a good lynch.
Correct me if im wrong, but inventor's items are one-shot (unless this is a different variation from a game I read, I think it was one of the PYP games here), which would mean said person with the camera has probably used it already bar extraordiary circumstances. Even if it isnt one-shot its worth it to claim just to get 1 confirmed scum. A watch ability isnt that powerful either way, and forcing a scum lynch is worth it imo.
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Even if you wanted information, a watch action is a relatively weak information role, and you wont even be able to tell what sort of action that player did, thus making it hard to figure out what his alignment is, unless you watched a person who died. Why not just get a role+alignment check on some guy instead of seeing who visited X?
Yea agree with JJ.
Ur full of bullshit.
##vote: Nisani201
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@kita
Do you still think wiggles is scum?
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I think a scum vet is possible considering this is a non-standard setup so alot of things are possible really. Though its much more likely he got his hands on an item (as he claims), got medic'd (scum medic since no town medic would prot him (I HOPE)) or is bulletproof (3rd party perhaps).
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And blubb, one important thing to remember, especially in these sort of games is that
role =/= alignment
Whilst something like trackers and watchers being town usually, they could easily be mafia trackers/watchers too. This applies to all roles, and stuff like scum masons, scum day-vigs etc. are possible.
Also sinani claimed he had an item that would let him survive a shot, not vet.
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Leaving nisani alive and than roleblocking him kind of kills the purpose of leaving him alive in the first place doesnt it?
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I still rather not leave nisani alive.
I agree that paper is scummy, and the only reason I havent actually pushed him is because of the bluelightz lynch which I was fine with on day 2, and I had no computer access for the first part of the day today and when I came back there was this crap, which led me to vote nisani.
Foolishness what do you think of kita and wiggles?
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Because you might have some sort of action that lets you see what actions occur and such?
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I also need to go sleep since its really late here. I still find alot of stuff about nisaini's claim to be off and want to lynch him for it. Im just going to vote sinani though since hes a perfectly fine lynch and it doesnt look as if we can get a majority on nisani.
I will not be back till quite a bit after the day post btw.
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Make it whatever you think would be good as long as it is an item that can benefit town but not mafia if it lands into their hands (no vig item etc.), and claim what it is before the daypost and what it does and who you passed it to (do this at 6.00 hkt). Something like jayjay's idea is fine.
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The number of people not reading the thread is amazing.
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