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yo I am not gagged or so. I was just partying. Well deserved imo.
Great move from Nisani to give the Scatter gun to foolishness instead of kita, I think scum fell for it. Awesome.
The fact that kita was town makes me very happy. It means three things:
a) The three kills night one were not scum biased and there's a good chance that scum died that night.
b) I assume he wasn't lying about hitting dirk. He survived for some reason.
c) The great beings of power are not necessarily third. Town might be on a better way than I thought. Nice.
I actually believe K is town at this point. I still think that Dirk is not cell.Which decreases the chances of a hit a bit. I'll go with blubbdavid and am almost certain he's not town. Dirk is next on my order list though. Let's see if he invites someone usefull today.
##Vote: blubbdavid
Foolishness you should hit the rest of the list or at least one of the rest.
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hmm. we know that the lotr visited someone else that night. he only could have died if kita targeted him directly. But it is very well possible.
I believe the sea of madness belongs to the dragon and might be either SK or scum
MG over Nisa was an odd kill. Did he carry an item or something?
The sentry gun also seems to be used looking at the kill flavour, maybe guys were saved from bullets this night.
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I don't know, kita didn't look town to me. he looked third.
A town vig might have died in night one too...
All in all, I feel like we're doing OK.
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On March 30 2012 03:14 Foolishness wrote:
The gun is quite simple, I have two shots.
I pick two people, and hope they are not
of different factions,
else my actions,
will not go through, and I wasted the gun I got.
wait what? is that true? that's the complete opposite of what I suggested and is anti town as hell....
Nisani?
wow this changes everything...
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if that's true, it is nearly impossible for town to use it, while it destroys town completely with a double kp.
fml.
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I was honestly about to post how stupid everyone is who voted you. Now, I have to revaluate...
You either made a really stupid mistake and really misread or you willingly screwed town over. I honestly find it hard to believe that you didn't think about the item one second and misread at the same time...
What information do you expect? A soft DT with the risk of killing two townies? No way. This item is of no use whatsoever.
Foolishness, you have to use it as fast as you can within that list. This way it doesn't kill anyone and can't be misused. It's the only sensible play right now.
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Ok, just a thought experiment. Let's assume the worst case szenario. Let's assume both you and foolishness are scum for a second. What happens now is, you
a) force a mislynch
b) misuse the scattershot on town
c) use scum KP
d) sea of madness (scum?)
=> 3-3 and scum win, if I am not mistaken. That would be the absolute worst case.
If foolishness is town, he will use the scatter gun within that list. It will insta mark him red if he kills two townies and be an easy lynch. You could meanwhile invent something better.
What I find interesting is that Foolishness says
On March 30 2012 03:11 Foolishness wrote:
Dirk is not of the town, I might add
He needs to be killed, he is quite bad.
He's kinda a creeper
so he might be a sleeper.
blubb is for sure town, Kenpachi is too mad.
and Nisani never even mentions david. He completely avoids talking to him, while he talks about K and dirk a lot.
So in case both of them are scum => blubb is almost certainly scum. We have to lynch him.
If you are not scum, blubb is still a decent lynch IMO and you can prove better.
Town => do not follow both of them into a lynch. David should be the target to prevent a worst case scenario.
VOTE DAVID
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On March 30 2012 05:45 Kenpachi wrote:
and Nisani is indeed Mafia. you guys were all stupid when you lynched sinani
Well, He gave us a good invention with the colour radiator regardless of alignment.
On March 30 2012 05:51 blubbdavid wrote:
Ok, I need to OMGUS:
To any townie out there: Don't you find it suspicious that our dear Mr JayJay54 here is acting as town leader while surviving crazy nights of mass KP?
Is scum really to incompetent to kill him?
Furthermore, did you see how comfortably our dear Mr JayJay54 lynched Wiggles, a Sleeper. Now there was a 1/2 chance that Wiggles would flip sleeper and only a 1/4 chance for scum. Still, 1:4.
His voting behaviour: At the bluelightz lynch, he hopped on the lightz train pretty fast. Well, he had the choice between lightz and Dirk. I assume that both of these are scum, so our dear Mr JayJay54 choose the lesser evil and bussed lightz. He then talked about how lightz was a godfather, as only player of the thread. For some reason, it was important to him. I didn't notice that lightz was GF, till our dear Mr JayJay54 pointed it out.
Furthermore, if he had lynched Dirk, the chiefmason, and then that guy would have flipped red, then our dear Mr JayJay54 would have immediately caught suspicion. Why would a scum chiefmason not want to invite his scumbuddy into the circle, that in case one of the two scums dies, the other one can continue spying? The other two members were zel (town), and blazing (assuming town). Atm there is a high possibility of Dirk being scum. Ergo, our dear Mr JayJay54 is his scum buddy.
I admit, I have not much evidence, but: DO NOT TRUST THIS GUY. AT ALL.
It was exactly the same in Kaller.
Neat. But entirely wrong.
In case you forgot: I have the puppet strings. I can't be killed until the guy, I used it on is dead. It is as simple.
Don't you find suspicious how on the other hand the inventor is still alive? I mean, I am vocal, but a total PR with an inventor was at a silver plate. Interesting that this doesn't bother you.
I reasoned my vote on Wiggles. Nobody talked that night, I am sorry I let you down, I guess?
Same with bluelightz, you say I voted him, but I actually was part of the reason he got lynched. If I hadn't outed dirk as a Power role, Dirk would probably be lynched. And no we don't share an alignment. Don't you think that EVERY scum member has access to this QT if someone else is in it (See AC)? The spying continues, even if scums in there are dead. If you have a scum mason you don't use it on scum. Actually, if dirk flipped red that day, I'd look more town.
And why would I not just bus dirk who was on a plate that day, why would I bus someone else?
in addition:
Dirk's mason role is called telepathic testing, which doesn't fit scum flavourvise this game, he may be sleeper though based on the recent invites. I also find it suspicious how nisani has not talked a single word about you, even with you on the list.
@ghost. I assumed that the scum team is 5 people, which is possible considering that third parties may have an aligment.
It was still just a worst case. I am trying to think that through.
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On March 30 2012 06:40 ghost_403 wrote:
Yeah, that's a good point.
Should that be the case, I can definitely see Foolishness and Nisani on the same scum team.
hmm. I just realized that Foolishness actually can't be scum. He was killed by scum. If no bus driver is involved they can only be sleeper buddies.
Which makes my whole arguement with david being protected wrong...(although I still think it's the right choice)
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foolishness was killed by lightz looking at the flavour. So assuming they don't kill each other, foolishness can only be town, third or sleeper...
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scum has a regular KP don't they? I think it was mentioned in paperscraps' pm.
If foolishness is town he won't misuse the item and no damage is done, but still a great opportunity was missed...
The important part is to prevent a no lynch...If this is put in jeopardy, I'll gladly switch to somebody else on that list.
I still don't believe that dirk is scum just because scum are robots and dirk has telepathic powers. That just doesn't fit.
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On March 30 2012 08:11 Adam4167 wrote:
I wouldn't read too much into the flavor, look at his actions. That is not town Palmar. Town Palmar calls everyone idiots, dense, thick when people are not bending to his will.
Hes dodged death a dozen times this game, lets rectify that.
oh I doubt he's town since he invited mementoss and ghost instead of you and nisani for no reason...he's prolly cell and not scum.
hmm, like I said, I am fine with either one, but still think david has the higher chance to belong to the actual scum team and is the better choice.
I'd rather not lynch K now since we don't get as much information from the flip.
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blubb, your case vs ken is weak. from all list candidates kenpachi looks the best, because, well, he's kenpachi.
dirk claims to be burning and is the next target nonetheless.
You did basically nothing to change this. That's why you die.
mav, ken can't be third because the colour radiator didn't return third.
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also, I am comfortable with the portal gun. thx.
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so you were the guy who ate the flips day one?
next stop: dirk. If he doesn't burn down.
foolishness, be wise and do the only thing you can do with the scatter gun and use it on dirk and K. anything else would be dumb and anti town.
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also, this post is funny in retrospective:
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WASTE THE SHOT
don't shoot the two scummiest persons. That's nothing more than a backdoor for an intentional misuse. I mean, I am thinking that there are 2 scums out there. One Cell.
Assuming those numbers, you have a chance of excatly 2,5 % of hitting both of the scum.
On the other hand, you have a 46,666% of "accidently shooting two twonies. And loosing us the entire game.
You have a 51% or so chance of know that they don't share an alignment. Now what? Yay. No worth.
Foolishness, use the shot on Kenpachi and Dirk. If you end up shooting two townies, you are scum. Because I showed you the numbers. This item is anti town. The risk & reward is non-existent. DOOOOON'T USE it.
@mav: third is never town, third means third party which is not town...that's what my comment says.
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On March 31 2012 08:41 Nisani201 wrote:
Why would he intentionally waste the shot? He should just shoot the two people he thinks are the most scummy and be done with it.
This comment really looks scummy, no one with a town attitude should just randomly shoot into people.
You, once more don't think about the attitude.
Nisani, you make me feel uneasy. Why would you suggest that?
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especially after posting this assumption yesterday:
On March 30 2012 10:17 Nisani201 wrote:
Adam the two remaining scum are of different alignment. One is cell the other is mafia.
if he thinks that the pro town use of the item is 000000% with a riks of 62 % of hitting two townies.
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Two the people who say, hey we know that one is a townie and one is scum:
That's ridiculous. You still got a 50-50 percent of a mislynch, if we choose the most scummy persons. If we lynch scum then, we don't even have a confirmed town afterwards, because the second one might be cell...
If I now at this point randomly choose to people alive (inlcuding me), I have a 33,33% chance of hitting scum. The plus 16,66% don't justify an almost 50-50% chance to shoot a townie?? Really?
This item needs to be wasted. Everyone with a hint of logic should see that.
Actually, I think it's scummy to suggest using it nonetheless...
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