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@ Phagga and Sevino
Hmm, I like the basis of this case. in a couple hours, i will look over the filters and check everything, but you may be on to something.
Phagga, i think that Gossemerr should be on your "somehow active but barely contributing" section.
One think that i noticed about Gossemerr is that he appears to be here often but rarely says much. I find this to be true because when i hadnt realized that you could vote for no lynch, and put his name down, he popped up very shortly after to say, You do realize you can vote for a no lynch.
More later.
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I am beginning to notice a connection as well between Eleanthas, Gossemerr, and Inferno. By connection, in some cases, I mean lack of connection. You will see what i mean. I recommend that everybody goes to google images, searches "I haz a hunch" and see the first result.
''But sine either hasn't spoken up lately...'' Inferno had really posted much more. Tough his posts had been him trying to state his earlier posts. Still Inferno had come about 3 hours earlir and defended himself and told, why we should lynch FirmTofu.
~Eleanthas on InfernOokami
The Gossemerr case
In Gossemerr's filter, He mentions Eleanthas a grand total of 1 time, In which he soft defends him by saying he fails to see why Eleanthas was more suspicious than anyone else. In gossemerr's 12 ingame posts, half of them are meaningless 1-2 lines or short answers that can barely be counted as contributing. Then, there is that post that soft defends ele, The post where he decides to lynch Firmtofu without much reasoning on his part, and the post where he says that he thinks firm is town, presents an unlikely situation, and decides to continue lynching him anyway.
Yes, a grand total of 3 posts he makes contain any real information.
In one, he throws a bit of sight to janaans "weird" posting timing, and ends it by trying to make it seem like he isnt trying to direct any attention. In another, he analyzes why we shouldnt no lynch, so a totally worthless post really. In the last, he dreams up a connection between Janaan, Phagga, and myself. Then he votes janaan with little reasoning, and this little reasoning had already been brought up by me. so just restating what i had said. Then add that to how he says phagga makes little analysis, etc.
Also, He appears to want a active lynch instead of a lurker lynch. which didnt bother me originally, but now i can see what this did, if he was a mafia with Eleanthas and InfernO. Ele and Gossemerr had been semi lurking, posting barely any content. InfernO is a hardcore lurker. I think he is trying to distract attention away from lurkers/semi lurkers by his Janaan voting post.
Also, Gossemerr never mentions infernOokami. ever.
And, as i explained in a post or two ago, Gossemerr seems to be here, a lot.
The Eleanthas case
Eleanthas mentions Gossemerr a grand total of ZERO times in his entire filter. He really never adds anything of great value to the table, and when in agreement with someone pretty just restates what they said. Not only is this suspicious within itself, but 2 of eleanthas' 8 Posts soft defend InfernO. On Inferno's first non-lurk post, Ele responds by not questioning his lurking, more just stating that Inferno is trying to lurk, which was relatively obvious, and kind of gives him the free pass by saying that he would like to hear more from Inferno in the future.
In his latest post, he defends Inferno's lurking in a relatively moderate manner. He says that he defends himself, and doesnt seem to have much of a problem with inferno having said the same thing multiple times.
Every now and then he comes in with a 1 or 2 liner to make it seem like he is adding something to the discussion. for instance,
Last 2 hours to affect to my vote. Then going to go to sleep.
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I don't really like putting list of guys who should be checked and tell DT to check one of them. If mafia has framer, it makes it too easy to make someone appear as mafia. Which may seem partially helpful, but all it really does is help is it helps stop the spread of town information.
Or even still
I hope that people learn my name by the end of the game or only call me as Ele ^^ Meaningless fluff
continuing Atleast it says you have to have : on vote so making sure my vote counts yep
and last but not least
Ok. Just got first chance to get on computer.
And I think that we should lynch lurker maybe. They are anyways pretty worthless if they don't speak.
Yes, that is 5 of Eleanthas' 8 ingame posts that are 1-2 lines and dont really contribute. Then count the fact that 2 of his other 3 posts have defended Inferno.
Yes, 2 thirds of eleanthas' posts have been to defend or reference inferno's play as not being very suspicious. Then add that with the fact that Inferno has been lurking, and how Eleanthas' first post says that we should lynch a lurker (maybe), and how Eleanthas refuses to suspect inferno.
I am liking this connection more and more.
The InfernOokami7 Case
Lets delve into InfernO's extensive 6 ingame posts. Most of which are made to avoid being replaced, it seems.
One, he asks about his opinion in a question.
Two, he further explains his side.
Three, he adds to it.
Four, he clarifies it
Five, He clarifies a typo
SIX! He finally posts analysis! He distracts from our suspiciousness of his own absence by noting how i seem to have little to say about FirmTofu's absence. at the time, my stances were already being questioned, and therefore this could be seen as an attempt to further find me suspicious. then he uses WIFOM to further prove his side. and attempts to jump onboard the bandwagon which Ele and Gosse had jumped on as well.
All in all, InfernO isnt extremely suspicious, but when coupled with the way Ele and Gosse have been acting about him, i can see in my mind a mafia trio.
I like this hunch. A lot.
I would love to see people's thoughts on this. I worked hard ^^
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Making that case felt really good.
I just hope i live to see the results of it 
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@ Velinath,
Welcome!
I feel more that Gossemerr is related to eleanthas, and that eleanthas is related to inferno. also, the fact that Gossemerr seems to ignore Inferno as a whole leads me to believe that they are trying to not become involved with eachother, but taking it to a new extreme.
When you post your case against me, please make sure you compared it against the previous cases made against me to make sure that the same things arent in there twice. Its a pain, Thanks.
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@ Velinath
I put my vote onto Gossemerr because i find that in his posts, he is the most dangerous player out of the three. I find that his posting has some qualities that make his arguments seem plausible and valid, and shares his ideas/information (when he has any) in the most comprehensive manner out of the three, which is why i find him more dangerous.
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As an example, I will take an average post from both Ele and Gossemerr.
On March 14 2012 03:03 Eleanthas wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 22:48 phagga wrote:
Eleanthas: His posting is still lacking, he actually only reiterated the wordings of others. His only longer post is this one:
Is it wrong that you agree with people? I really think that there was nothing new anybody could have risen up. Besides. It was pretty much case of ''If you don't speak, we lynch you.'', so decided to post my view of the game that point (wich agreed with many people), than being lynched for saying nothing.
On March 14 2012 08:36 Gossemerr wrote:There is not much action going on so it is kinda hard to read anyone. Only thing that pops out at me is Janaan talking about the days votes after its already over. Earlier he said he would keep watch on the thread, and koritora posted the no lynch vote only a few minutes after his (Janaan's) last post. Kinda scummy imo to bring this up after the fact. Either way I agree with the analysis, just weird timing. Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 14:06 Janaan wrote:GG FirmTofu I think we need to use this night phase to get some cases rolling. We don't have much to go on as far as cases go from Day 1, so we've got our work cut out for us. One thing I noticed from the votes that I found very interesting was Koritora's No Lynch vote. Here's one of his early posts: On March 12 2012 10:22 koritora wrote:
However, to lynch a lurker is not a bad thing. It's not helping anyone in the town. As for people against lynching on the Day 1, that's where my suspicion lies. Then he turns around and: On March 13 2012 09:37 koritora wrote:
Well besides the fact FirmTofu has only made talk about lynching a lurker, there isn't really much else to go on. Same case can be made for InfernoOkami7. But since either hasn't spoken up lately, I can only assume they are lurking and that puts my vote up in the air for these two unless they come and contribute something meaningful. But as of the moment, I can't decide between the two and therefore going with a no lynch.
##Vote: No Lynch First he says that he's suspicious of anyone who is against lynching on day 1. Then he's all of a sudden against lynching on day 1? This seems like a huge contradiction to me. Is it possible that he's trying to take away suspicion since he didn't vote for the mislynch? I'm not sure, but it's definitely possible. I think he's definitely worth a closer look.
In this case, Ele's post is defensive and doesn't change any thoughts in my mind.
Gosse's post, on the other hand, quietly puts a little bit of question and suspicion of Janaan into my mind. Had i not read through is filter in depth, I probably wouldnt have picked up on the seeming intent to do this.
So thats why i wanted to lynch Gosse. I feel that he is playing a better, smarter game (no offense meant to either ele or infernO)
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@ seviro, i think the same reasoning applies to Gosse. Take a look at his filter; he really isnt a big contributor. at all. he barely has more posts than ele, and spreads doubt regarding members of the town better.
in those 2 cases:
1. he flips town and we lose a semi lurker whos best case is just a few lines suspecting janaan without much reason to back it up
2. he turns out to be a scum which means we can assume that ele is scum as well, which likely makes inferno a scum.
I agree with either of the two as a lynch target, but there is something to be said for eliminating the more dangerous player first.
I will be on for another ~30 minutes where i can answer questions or change my vote (between those 2). Sorry for any typos, typing on an ipad.
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Meanwhile, velinath,
I am interested to know why you dont agree with my other points on why gosse is suspicious. For instance, his semi case on janaan that make him even vote his name?
Also, Please let me know What these holes in the case are. my brain seems to be working faster than my hands when i write these, and i sometimes forget a point or two that i meant to have in places, etc. It was just a lot better formulated in my mind.
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And by the way, Nova gets mad and makes a case for anyone who says anything about him. He flips his mind every time a new argument is made, just following the flow of the thread.
On March 16 2012 06:24 Gossemerr wrote:
Additionally, the evidence that Ele, Me, and Infero are related is just as bad as you say my evidence that Nova, Phagga, and Janaan are possibly related.
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Wow, i actually dont know what to say. I feel offended by this, the first time i've felt offended by anything on the internet in some time.
Can you trash me a bit more here?
Back up your defense. I've made a total of 2 cases in the game, one against cosine to make day 1 conversation, and one against you(which includes ele and inferno). other than that, i have pointed out suspicious things in peoples play while noting that it wasnt an accusation, and in most cases, people agree.
I got mad once, and said it. thats it. I most certainly do not make a case for anyone that said anything about me. actually, until now, i feel that you, ele, and inferno have barely pressured me, and if you did, i barely noticed it. and you guys are my one good case.
once again, back up your defense. the evidence that you, ele, and inferno are related is not bad, it easily could make logical sense. also, i believe that i was the first to call janaan's questioning out, whereas you didnt do anything to pressure ele or inferno in any way.
When i see a logical argument, i go through filters and see what makes sense. its not flipping my mind whenever a new argument is made, its genuine curiousity for the argument and if it agrees with the filters than it could work.
Lastly, This, meaning TL Mafia in general, doesnt take that much of a time committment. you dont have to be on here half as much as me to still be an effective and active player. most of the time, i just check in quickly. If you cant make a committment to like 45 minutes to 1 hour of time in 1 day, i dont see why you would join a highly interactive co-dependent game like this.
How rude.
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Okay, in an effort to make sure that there will not be a no-lynch, i am changing my vote to eleanthas, as he seems to be more popular of a lynch candidate for others and i was find with an eleanthas lynch today anyway.
##Unvote: Gossemerr
##Vote: Eleanthas
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@ gosse
sorry, when i saw the thing about having 2 jobs and goin to school full time i immediately classified it as a " dont blame me i cant help but post only a little" kind of post.
The first part is what made me more angry. seems blatantly bashing me, in a manner that i would say seems "frustrated". Discrediting me, without so much as even backing it up, is what i found rude. It seems to me as if it was in a manner to tell someone new to reading this, like velinath for example, that i am just a mad wishy washy player whose cases cant be taken seriously as they are founded in angry response to them even mentioning me.
Yeah, at this point its relatively obvious that i am the most emotional player here.
i drop my day 1 suspicions quickly as they are founded on early lurking and suspicious first posts. They are easily clarified, by just one post, and the main idea was to try to have everyone posting.
I didnt think he was sooo suspicious, i just wanted him to post to defend himself.
at least if you're gonna make points, back them up so i can at least defend against it or reference it while i attempt to keep a cool head, instead of stating something like its fact and leaving me to speculate on why you would post something like that in a manner that seemed rude.
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Im going to sleep, hopefully will come back with a cool head and a red name on the night post.
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EBWOP next game i need a coach so i can make an intelligent post after i find something against me rude. this is even bothering me. i sound like a whiny 6 year old sometimes QQ
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Looking back on my posting fom yesterday, there is something to be said for not posting when you're tired.
That being said, i wish ele had come and defended himself in a longer post than what he attempted to do.
Hosts, is anyone being modkilled?
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Lol, wait, so if both of the lurkers that might be modkilled are town and they end up modkilled, we lose right?
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EBWOP: Im also confidant that i wont die tonight as i am relatively suspicious, i see. Cant tell whether this is good/bad for the town because currently i've been playing terribly and kinda feel like the mislynch on ele was mostly my fault.
I hope i can come up with something useful.
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Thats just ridiculous.
Better hope we get those replacements.
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Yeah true. totally forgot about blues.
I hope we have a vigi who identified a scum. would be so helpful for info at this point in time.
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EPT
