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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
March 23 2012 06:37 GMT
#1591
It's difficult to stay calm and collected when the level of play has been poor and I've been ultra busy. I know my lack of activity is off of my meta but I really am just very busy and I'd like not to be lynched for things outside of my control.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
March 23 2012 06:39 GMT
#1592
Also, how can I be blamed for not pushing Jitsu/Katina when Kurumi essentially claimed scum? If you didn't vote for Kurumi, it's because you were stupid, period.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
March 23 2012 20:44 GMT
#1604
On March 24 2012 04:27 deconduo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2012 00:11 layabout wrote:
This seems to be very reliant on Deconduo.

Why do we think he is town again?


Regardless of whether you think I'm town or not, my role has been pretty much confirmed. On top of that, no one has said anything in the spreadsheet is wrong, so you can check it yourself.

As for Kurumi, I find it very difficult to believe that he wasn't the traitor.

-He thought Jackal was scum, so he made up the dreamer role to defend him from getting lynched. This would absolutely never have happened if he was scum, as he would know Jackal was town.
-His made up dream was riddled with grammatical errors. Why not get Caller or any other teammate to spellcheck it first if he was scum. Why would his team even LET him post it.
-The rattata post which was blatantly claiming traitor.

Also given how Caller tried to recruit sentinel, its fairly obvious that scum were going to pm the traitor to make sure before recruiting them.


It can't be ruled out, but I'm still inclined to believe that he was scum searching for traitor. If I had to guess at a traitor I would guess Bill Murray is the traitor if he isn't blue.

Your second point is moot. Kurumi flipped red, not black, and he made his fake dream the day he was lynched and I seriously doubt scum recruited him that far into the day without using a rolecheck. They have a onetime guess and why would they waste it on a player about to be lynched that they haven't rolechecked? That doesn't add up to me. I still think Kurumi was a bus, which is why I'm not sold on jaybrundage's alignment in the slightest.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
March 23 2012 20:47 GMT
#1605
Katina's case on me is unfortunately too much based in meta and my personal life has been too hectic for me to put the thought and care into this game than I normally would. Who posted the case on Wiggles in the first place? I'd like to read it and clicking a filter is easier.

As much as I'm usually inclined to OMGUS, I think Katina is probably town. Misguided, but town. I've been too little of a factor lately for scum to need to distract me like this and there's no reason to post a huge case on me unless they're trying to get me to react or form a serious bandwagon.

The fact that only small targets have been dying (non "vet" players) at night leads me to believe scum is either blue sniping or just hitting people who have the right leads. Considering Mattchew died, that definitely adds some spice to the Mr.Wiggles case. I'll have to read it to determine if it's enough for my vote though as well as go through Wiggles filter.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
March 24 2012 19:39 GMT
#1613
On March 25 2012 03:15 Curu wrote:
I think there's a very solid reason sandroba was shot and I was left alone. sandroba is a better player, definitely, but he was quite disinterested in the game. I had considered DrH almost certain Town while sandroba was getting pretty suspicious of him in thread and in PMs.

That I haven't been shot yet I think shows that I was on the wrong track so I'm going to with sandroba's read.

I have no idea what Sandroba said in PMs.

My theory on scum shots is that they're avoiding you, myself, wiggles and so on because they don't want people to ask why one of us is alive and the rest aren't. That's solid imo especially when no lynches are so easy to pursue.

And please man have some confidence and don't just sheep a dead townie to get another mislynch. We really can't afford it.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
March 24 2012 19:41 GMT
#1614
On March 25 2012 03:25 Bill Murray wrote:
Dr.H have you claimed?

No, I don't see the point of doing so. It can't confirm me and even if it could TL Towns will still lynch anyone who claims so why would I claim defensively? Just giving scum another angle to attack me from. But you know that, don't you.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
March 24 2012 19:57 GMT
#1616
BM btw you aren't confirmed since mafia can cover people
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
March 25 2012 00:34 GMT
#1625
That vote says a lot. Wiggles is somewhat suspicious of me but won't vote when the bandwagon is split. Why don't you share some of the good information you've gathered?
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
March 25 2012 04:36 GMT
#1643
Sandroba dying makes you that sure about me? How would I know what sandroba said in PMs anyway?
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
March 25 2012 05:33 GMT
#1647
I PM'd Kurumi on Day 1 and also sandroba is making the bad assumption that Kurumi was the traitor which I find highly unlikely
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
March 25 2012 05:35 GMT
#1648
If that's him really wanting to lynch me, I expected more Curu. I have no knowledge of what Sandroba said to you until now and it was the same bad logic that Deconduo has which is assuming that Kurumi was traitor and that me PMing him somehow proves I'm scum. How do we know Sentinel wasn't the traitor? Or BM? Or JB?

Why would I find the traitor on Day 1 then instruct him to fakeclaim so I can bus him? I didn't even play that lynch for towncred, in fact I criticized the fuck out of JB for trying to take cred off of it. That is such a weak platform for a lynch and at LYLO it doesn't cut it.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
March 25 2012 05:36 GMT
#1649
Not to mention I was pushing Kurumi at that point harder than anybody else was and wanted Caller lynched Day 1, no one listened to me until he shot Palmar. Another thing I'd never be dumb enough to let a teammate do.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
March 25 2012 06:17 GMT
#1651
I did explain it before. I PM'd him because I thought he was scum baiting for traitor/scum trolling and I wanted to pressure but he didn't respond to the pressure or any of my questions. PM'd VE for the same reasons but through talking to him I became pretty sure he was town. He had good thoughts like in Storm minus the scummy context and he was third party in that, we talked about meta a bit.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
March 25 2012 06:19 GMT
#1652
I didn't think Kurumi would respond to anything in thread, which is why I went the PM route. I knew Jitsu/Caller/JB would be pretty transparent talking to me in thread so I didn't feel the need to pressure them via PM.

I didn't want to waste my PMs talking to people I think are town. So I could sheep them? Waste.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
March 25 2012 08:04 GMT
#1654
You're not confirmed town bucko a DT check doesn't mean shit
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
March 25 2012 21:17 GMT
#1661
On March 26 2012 02:46 Curu wrote:
I feel like Katina is Town now, considering the Abenson/Wiggles flips.

It's a bunch of things. DrH's PM explanation is awful, considering he Masoned VisceraEyes as well who he felt was likely Town. There is absolutely, positively, 100% no reason for any Town player to ever want to Mason Kurumi who is going to be the most useless player in any game not containing sinani.

His sudden and random hostility towards jaybrundage with no reason whatsoever besides that he was calling himself Town. He can come up with no reason to actually call jaybrundage scum when asked about it.

There was also a KP missing the second night, originally I had thought it was because Palmar got hit and prplhz Medic protected him (prplhz was a Busy Medic thus didn't know if he protted his target or not) but I think it's very probable Bill Murray was covered. His sudden influx of activity, the fact that DrH didn't show any of this downright hostility towards him for calling himself confirmed Town, and his retarded reasoning.

He voted DrH following Katina/deconduo/etc, as well as following the popular vote without any reasoning or posts on every other candidate, but all of a sudden come lylo he wants to lead the Town? Not happening.

jay Katina is probably Town, if we lynch her we lose. As I said I am not moving my vote, I am 100% certain DocH is scum, as certain as I was on Kurumi/Caller. Palmar and sandroba both suspected DrH, please trust us on this one.


That is the opposite of what I said.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
March 25 2012 21:18 GMT
#1662
On March 26 2012 04:04 Katina wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2012 23:53 jaybrundage wrote:
Curu we are not lynching Doc this is so dumb. We should be lynching katina we have been ignoring her all game. Every single person she has pushed as been town.


You are wrong about your last sentence. Not every person I have pushed has been town. That will be clear once DrH flips. That's not really an indicator of whether someone is mafia or not.

I think Jay might be mafia because he has been pushing for me all game and basically ignoring everything else that is going on. I think the mafia is probably telling Jay to keep pushing me so he doesn't mess anything up. He really hasn't done anything else and has ignored all the big cases. Jay also said he would make a case against me.... I have yet to see one.

Jay is mafia or big JubJub,


Jay's mafia. Even though you're attacking me I'm not dumb enough to realize you're not town. Considering the attitude and context of your posts, I'd be shocked if you were mafia despite a shaky Day 1.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
March 26 2012 03:20 GMT
#1675
On March 26 2012 12:18 deconduo wrote:
Dr. H is scum, he never picked to PM Kurumi:

Show nested quote +
Dr. Helvetica chose to PM VisceraEyes.



##Vote DoctorHelvetica

USA USA USA


That's completely untrue.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
March 26 2012 03:21 GMT
#1676
I PM'd Protactinium about it because if that is the information you received then it was a major mistake on his part of keeping track of actions.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
March 26 2012 18:54 GMT
#1679
You're changing assumptions immediately, though. Your reason for thinking I'm scum is your assumption that Kurumi must have been traitor. Your reason changed to Kurumi not being traitor and being scum and my teammate, which explains me not being masoned with him. Now you're going back to Kurumi being traitor?

There was another hole in your logic for thinking Kurumi was traitor earlier too that I pointed out. You said his Day 2 claim was too obvious for a teamed scum to do, but your assumption was based on me finding out Kurumi was the traitor on Day 1. You're also assuming Sentinel wasn't the traitor, that scum wasted masons fishing for the traitor, and that the traitor was not Bill Murray or Jaybrundage as I suspect it is. This is way too flimsy for LYLO, Deconduo.
RIP Aaliyah
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