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JayBrundage, no one knows your alignment except you and scum. Saying I'm scum just for accusing you is about to put me in the hospital because if this is seriously how you think things work then you need to reevaluate how you approach mafia. Do you think it's impossible for someone who is town to be wrong on a read? Do you think "I am town!!!" is a worthy defense?
There is so much being taken for granted int his game and Caller's alignment was never really in question by most of town despite his scummy actions until he shot Palmar, which is bad. Palmar thought he was town and everyone just sheeped him. Well, Palmar was wrong, and until people start thinking for themselves we're never going to win this game.
This case against Wiggles is retarded, even though he's wrong about a connection between me and BM. I never go after lurkers, historically, I have never done it and I always move to lynch active players. It's what I feel most confident doing. I'm not defending BM, I'm just stating his gameplay is also consistent with his blue meta and I've actually never seen scum BM before but I'm guessing he's probably more aggressive than this. If we lynch him, I don't think it should be today. That's all. Considering the check, it's a pretty bad move for today.
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On March 21 2012 07:04 jaybrundage wrote:
Curu no one is confirmed town till they die including you. People may have a town read on you but its just that a read
then stop acting like you are buddy
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On March 21 2012 07:09 jaybrundage wrote:
hey doc get on Abenson stop trolling
Why would I go on your bandwagon when I think you're scum? Since when were you confirmed exactly? Because you pushed kurumi? Learn to play please.
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On March 21 2012 11:03 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 09:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On March 21 2012 07:09 jaybrundage wrote:
hey doc get on Abenson stop trolling Why would I go on your bandwagon when I think you're scum? Since when were you confirmed exactly? Because you pushed kurumi? Learn to play please. docH what exactly is your reason for thinking JB is scum. I get that you think he is not confirmed town, but I filtered you and saw no reasons as to why JB is scum.
I've been too busy recently to pull aside time to make a long post about it, unfortunately. I should be able to in the morning though.
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On March 21 2012 11:05 sandroba wrote:
Also this reasoning for not voting abenson because you think JB is scum for no clear reason goes directly against what you said in your previous post that mafia may be bussing left and right. Shouldn't you, according to your own beliefs, look at abenson individually and decide whether he is likely scum or not, and vote accordingly?
3 bus in a row in a 4 mafia game + traitor is stupid
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On March 21 2012 12:33 Mattchew wrote:
with the way abenson has played i wouldnt be surprised... bussing him wouldn't shock me at all
from my pov why bus a lurker who is getting no attention? you bus to misdirect or when a bandwagon gets too strong not just because you can
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On March 22 2012 06:18 layabout wrote:
when did drH pick him?
Early day 1, pressured him. Got nothing out of it. I don't think Kurumi was the traitor either, but rather scum looking for traitor. This is some WIFOM armchair psychology stuff but why would traitor make himself so clear? If I'm traitor, I'm a bit afraid and I'd play really inactively. Scum will probably figure that the traitor will be inactive or playing really sheepishly and just start rolechecking into people who don't post.
The way he said he was trying to trick traitor into claiming to him or scum into wasting their check on him confirms that to me, that it was planned and that he was scum looking for traitor. You get to bait for traitor all game then say that you were just baiting scum, it's a good defense but his fake claim sealed the deal for him. There was no reason for him to lie about being dreamer as town, especially against someone who he had no reason to "know" was town like Jackal.
Because he flipped red, that means scum guessed him on Night 1 right? Scum catch the traitor and then just immediately let him fakeclaim like he did? It seems unlikely to me. He very well could be traitor, but I think it's more likely Abenson or Katina or Jaybrundage.
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On March 21 2012 15:43 jaybrundage wrote:I haven't called my self confirmed town in ages. And to be frank I don't care if you think I'm town or mafia at this point. You're playing sloppy, tunneling a townie all game is really making you look bad. Read my post's from the perspective of a townie or mafia and see which one makes the most sense. You tunneling like this is really hurting your play. I think I have done well to establish what I want to do this game, and that is lynch scum. Unless you think I'm willing to bus every single one of my teammates. Then it's unlikely I'm scum. You have been tunneling me hard just like Matt. Doc do you not think that Abenson is scum. Do you think he has been a contributing townie? In response to ET I PM'd prplhz which I claimed already and posted the PM's to Prlphz and JayBrundage's Pms I also PM'd Curu and claimed to him. Because why not. ET I was looking thru Layabout's PM's because I wasn't sure if he might be scum. But at the moment I'm getting a null-read. And then there was BM but Palmar checked him. But I still stand by my read's on Abenson and Katina. And Katina was my original read silly XD. She has been scummy from the get go. And her case just gets clearer and clearer. I'm pretty damn certain she is scum. Ill be posting a compilation of my cases on Katina soon. I think we should all just go for Abenson and then start talking about who we should lynch next. We can't the discussion die down.
Why is tunneling bad? I haven't tunneled you all game, I'm just on you today because I've been busy and you were one of my strongest reads since the beginning of the game.
I don't know, Abenson is really inactive, but isn't that exactly his meta? He's probably a disinterested townie or the traitor. Whether I vote for him or not, he's gonna die today so I don't really feel the need to move my vote. I think you're scum so I'm voting for you.
You can't say that you're not confirmed and then that I look bad for tunneling a townie because no one knows your alignment except you and scum. Do you not see why that bothers me? katina has called me out for stupid reasons but I'm not saying she looks like shit for "tunneling a townie" because my alignment isn't confirmed. It doesn't look bad to anyone except you and possibly your stupid scumbuddies. If I had the time I'd write a big post on you but you've been on my radar since Day 1 doing a lot of meek posts about worthless things like LaL which don't help town (townies lie often in TL, everyone knows this)
Then you come out later blazingly confident asking people to roleclaim to you for no reason, sheeping Palmar basically, and now you're still talking to me like you're confirmed and I'm an idiot for suspecting you. Get real.
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On March 21 2012 13:14 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 22:11 deconduo wrote:
Sandroba, Jaybrudage, Curu, Sentinel, Abenson, BM you guys need to claim your masons now. this I'm the one who prty much initiated the Abenson lynch (even though a lot of people agreed with me without expressing mcuh on the topic earlier...), so JB being on it isn't so much a bus, as a "vote for nearest lynch". btw when I said @layabout any scum hunting, that was meant to be @jaybrundage, mbad. JB you said last night that you were going to be looking through filters, dyou have any original reads, or is it still Katina-Abenson at this point?
He wants to lynch lurkers because he's scum and too scared to do anything else lol
"klets just lynch lurkers guys i know theyre scum" is classic scum play, older than my grandpa
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I'm learning a lot from JB. If anyone ever accuses me from now on I'll just say "you look bad tunneling a townie bro" and no one will ever think im scum
brilliant
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On March 22 2012 07:07 jaybrundage wrote:I know I'm town. So your tunneling a townie is bad. But your right me lynching scum and pushing is my reads is really scummy >.> I haven't played meek at all this entire game. My first post was voting for Rg because i didn't like his play. You call me sheeping Palmar? Lol I thought Palmar might be scum for a long while. Doc you act like im confirmed scum. When this game ends and I'm town. You can just see how bad your read was. I have pushed lynches on Kurumi and I was one of the first to vote for Caller (wasn't to sure on him tho) The funniest part is that we have the same reads and you still think im scum. Pretty funny stuff. We are not lynching me period get over it. Would you be willing to lynch Katina tomorrow? Because that's the lynch i would like. Almost forgot Ill try to compile a case on Katina. Im so tired tho 
You're completely missing the point of my post. "I'm town" is not a defense nor does it indicate my alignment. Since when is anyone expected to have 100% of their reads right? I'm more upset by how awful you are as a player than anything, maybe that's clouding my judgment. Either way you flip, you are a horrible player
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On March 22 2012 09:14 sandroba wrote:
@docH you promised you'd explain why you think JB is scum and I still see nothing. All I see is useless argument going in circles. If you think the guy is scum you don't need to convince him, you present a case for us. Please be more objective.
I said I'd make a case if I have time which I don't have enough to do much than pop in here and react, unfortunately. My personal life has gotten really busy over the last few days.
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Would you like me to talk about something else other than my own reads?
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i thought he'd flip town or traitor i'm not surprised at all
@JB, nothing else besides Katina because I've been too busy to pay attention to this game for the last few days. I've had 3 days of job interviews and have gone out with my family a lot but tomorrow I have no plans so I'm gonna play catch up. I'm not super confident in anything other than you being stupid to be honest
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Again "hey we need to lynch this player who hasn't posted at all he's definitely scum" and then acting super aggressive about it = classic scum behavior
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BM, do you have any reads? All you're doing is buddying right now which does make up for your lack of activity but it isn't particularly helpful.
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You're voting me based on the assumption that Kurumi was the traitor and that Kurumi had no contact with scum on his own volition?
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Also, why would scum PM their traitor suspect to fish when they could be wrong and get outed in the thread?
Mafia have a one time guess to figure him out and if correct, can communicate with him. The traitor also has a one time guess to join the mafia as well. If at any point he can pm the host with one less than the total mafia count mafia correct out of the total count (i,e 3 mafia correct out of 4 guesses with 4 mafia alive), he will join with the mafia
Mafia have a rolecheck power. It'd be retarded not to just rolecheck whoever you think traitor is each night then guess when you find him. I'd never fish for the traitor, I'm too paranoid as scum. Bullshit reasoning.
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On March 23 2012 12:27 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Did Caller claim both of his picks, or only Sentinel? Also, I think scum might have been PMing people fishing for the traitor, just look at Caller and Sentinel.
Lynching on this kind of speculation is a bad idea. If deconduo has no reason to suspect me other than he thinks Kurumi is the traitor then it's a really bad bandwagon. Even if Kurumi were the traitor, the fact that I PM'd him is utterly inconclusive. I was inquiring about his reads, not his codes, and when he continued to babble our conversations hit a halt.
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Seeing as Kurumi would have been a strong suspect for traitor based on his coded posting from Day 1, it's not unlikely scum just used rolecheck on him. If Caller was fishing around Sentinel then that gives me confidence in my belief that Kurumi was actually scum fishing for traitor and not the other way around. If Kurumi was traitor scum would have gotten him early enough that Caller wouldn't have need to have kept looking, no?
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