I know jaybrundage is a newer player and I just don't see how he can come out of arkham city thinking it's as simple as "he pushed scum therefore he's town" when that game was bus city

JB can you really not fathom the sort of tactics that mafia might use to confuse people and fuck up their reads or are you that desperate for town cred and roleclaims? does the fact that everything is already centralized around palmar make you nervous or something

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

March 16 2012 10:30 GMT

#1177

I masoned VisceraEyes and Kurumi. The odd thing is that Kurumi PM'd me first. I had nothing to say about it by the time you called out his Dreamer claim. This was the only communication I had with Kurumi

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Dealt with it myself , who do You think is scum? Node looks like it.

Original Message From DoctorHelvetica:
Don't talk in riddles to me. What are your reads? You've done nothing but troll in this game.

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Original Message From Kurumi:
I am stuck in Viridian Forest without antidotes and my Rattata is poisoned
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Then he sent me this PM later which I ignored:
We need to fight the heretics! I think Schworz and Abenson are the heretics! Burn them! Kick them, whatever, You're the Doctor!

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

March 16 2012 10:36 GMT

#1180

The PMs with VE are really long and I don't want to format them. Basically we talked about Caller and Jitsu. I told him I was not confident in my read on Jitsu because I suspected him for similar reasons in Storm and was wrong about it and that I wasn't confident about Caller because of his meta.

We talked about you for a moment, I'll post the logs of that.

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VE:
Shouldn't be strange - Palmar has entered the fray and considers him town. *shrug*

Original Message From DoctorHelvetica:
Nowhere. I'm reconsidering Jitsu and trying to figure Caller and prplhz out right now.

On prplhz, I don't see anything worse than I saw in Storm when we mislynched him. I feel really strange how many people are just taking Caller being town for granted.

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Original Message From VisceraEyes:
Where'd you go sir? Get everything you need out of me?
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We stopped PMing after discussing the switch in Katina's meta for a while, here:

VE: Keep an eye on Katina too - she was coached in Arkham, she may very well be scum out of her league without a coach this game. Her first post was literally "Teehee I'm gonna do this scummy thing (try to blend in) and call attention to it while simultaneously vote for someone ultimately inconsequential. I'M SO CUTE!!"...followed up with "...yet I can speak with the authority of a veteran player when I say that you can take layabout's posts with a grain of salt".

Original Message From DoctorHelvetica:
I was calling you scum in storm though up until way later oh well

was katina scum in AC i don't even remember

people are gonna call you out though having announced a case and then going inactive. they'd be right to do so as well. you might as well tell the thread what you're telling me.

VE:
Katina was scum in AC. Her lurking was often accounted for and planned on in that game.

There's virtually nothing to go on in this game...her tone is what I'm concerned about.

I don't know what I think of Jackal yet. His claim is interesting. I know I think Caller is scum though, riding a wave of thread presence.

Original Message From DoctorHelvetica:
If her tone is so different she's likely town and confused or the traitor.

I think I'm switching off to Jitsu. Caller's posts are awful but I can't stand playing with guys like this because they make me second guess myself so much. I would ask a DT to check him in the thread but that means automatic use of their cover power probably. They still get 2 KP if they use it.

I feel pretty at ease about Jitsu. The prplhz bandwagon is the one I can single out and say mafia are definitely involved in because the logic is so poor or rather "forced" I guess

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

March 17 2012 04:16 GMT

#1264

Infinite mafia dayvig seems absurd. I'm on for lynching Katina. Caller switched to Kurumi pretty late and I don't buy strong mafia roles in this game. If they get the traitor, they can use 3 powers a night and use 2 KP, that's pretty balanced.

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

March 17 2012 18:47 GMT

#1294

Caller has looked like scum since Day 1. I'm second guessing myself because of the dayvig thing but I guess I shouldn't go back on my policy of lynching those who look like scum regardless. I agree with prplhz actually.

It seems like a sure thing at this point, so, who's next? I vote jaybrundage

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

March 17 2012 18:48 GMT

#1295

On March 18 2012 01:41 Abenson wrote:
Well, Caller looks like the best choice atm...
Voting now.

Isn't this your first post in like days

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

March 17 2012 19:12 GMT

#1299

"Great"

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

March 17 2012 23:31 GMT

#1306

One thing Caller didn't do is buddy up to anyone, so the rest of the team isn't apparent except maybe who unquestioningly accepted him as town Day 1. In PMing with VisceraEyes I pointed out to him that it seems odd that everyone was just taking Caller being town for granted and that was before his dayvig shot too.

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

March 18 2012 03:54 GMT

#1309

no, i think everyone is out getting drunk

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

March 18 2012 23:34 GMT

#1339

As scummy as JB is he does have a point. Only because there was obvious resistance to the Kurumi lynch (scum) which was even more convincing than this one which has basically no resistance at this point.

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

March 19 2012 02:11 GMT

#1356

I pushed lynches every single day lol

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

March 19 2012 02:16 GMT

#1358

Kurumi was the most obvious scum I've ever seen in a game. At least Caller has a legit roleclaim

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

March 19 2012 03:27 GMT

#1363

I'm a bit surprised mafia have a dayvig tbh. I guess we should assume they might have other roles now.

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

March 19 2012 22:14 GMT

#1410

Bill Murray is an aggressive player who likes to fuck around in PMs or what not. His silence this whole game suggests he's blue, not scum imo. He was like this in AC.

Let's go after the scum with substance, first. If BM is scum he will expose himself in due time. Lynch jaybrundage/deconduo/katina in no particular order. PM detective is a role that benefits scum more than town imo. Scum use the power after someone says "a DT claimed to me" or something like that for blue snipes.

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

March 20 2012 06:11 GMT

#1428

Personally, my reasons for wanting to lynch lurking players later than sooner is that I feel uncomfortable reading them and have, on many occasions, been manipulated by scum into voting for the town lurkers while all the lurkers that are scum get off free. The problem is, I can't differentiate between lurking scum and lurking town easily but BM is too off his scum meta for me to suspect him. Jaybrundage should be lynched today.

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

March 20 2012 18:27 GMT

#1466

On March 20 2012 22:22 deconduo wrote:
@Dr H
At what time exactly did you mason Kurumi, and why?

Near the end of the first day. I thought he might respond to direct pressure since he had no clear interest in making sense at all in the thread. He decided to keep trolling instead.

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

March 20 2012 18:28 GMT

#1467

Kurumi implied to me that Abenson was the traitor or scum in a PM but I really have no idea what he was saying. Why is jaybrundage not on the chopping block? Are we all assuming kurumi wasn't a bus? There's no way kurumi is that stupid tbh

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

March 20 2012 22:04 GMT

#1500

On March 21 2012 05:15 sandroba wrote:
From what I gather the most accepted theory is that kurumi was claimed traitor that mafia found and thus flipped red.

@docH how come you never claimed you pm'ed kurumi and he kept trolling when you were pushing for his lynch? Didn't you think that would make the case stronger? Do you have any reasoning to have kept that info hidden until decon outted it in thread?

I wouldn't mind a abenson lynch instead of wiggles.

It wasn't really necessary and I don't think it would have pushed more votes onto him tbh

I'm pretty sure I claimed that I PM'd Kurumi when Palmar asked me stuff about VE