Mr. Wiggles/deconduo, Abenson, Katina. I would like to lynch one of them today.

I'll post out my reasoning a bit later when I have time but after going through the thread a few times these are who I feel best about.

Curu

Canada2817 Posts

March 20 2012 04:32 GMT

#1426

So who do you think is scum

MISTER WIGGLES?

Curu

Canada2817 Posts

March 20 2012 16:03 GMT

#1459

I don't need to tell you anything deconduo. I got my confirmed Town badge right here.

Compare Wiggles's first few posts (that discussed nothing) with all his later posts. His first few posts were so "good and logical" that like half the game decided to Mason him. Too bad they were also completely useless and said nothing.

His behavior on day 1 was so wishy washy and tentative. He very, very softly tries to paint prplhz/me as scum without actually coming outright and saying it, then very softly looks like he wants Jackal dead, then starts asking people what they think about Caller. Through this whole thing he has not made a single solid stance until finally settling on voting Caller randomly without even attempting to push the lynch.

Day 2 starts out the same. Palmar busts out our Kurumi case, Wiggles is completely soft and neutral. Asks Kurumi neutral questions:

On March 15 2012 07:02 Mr. Wiggles wrote:

Kurumi, you've already claimed, so would you mind explaining exactly how your role works and what it does? I've tried searching it up, but I can't find anything specific, and it doesn't mean your role is the same.

It's only after Kurumi starts piling up votes that Wiggles finally takes a stance against Kurumi. Afterwards disappears for the rest of the day.

Through both starting days Wiggles has never tried to solidly push for a lynch, never tried to make one happen. As a veteran player he knows that a no lynch is 90% of the time bad for Town but never tries to ensure one happens, even splitting his vote uselessly on day 1 onto Caller who he knew had 0 chance of getting lynched.

When he starts getting pressured and I ask him he -finally- makes a stance post and says we should lynch Bill Murray. Too bad scummy Wiggles hasn't been reading the thread and didn't see Bill Murray has a Town DT check on him. It's also pretty interesting that he chooses Bill Murray when anyone reading the thread would see that Katina and Abenson are lurkers who are far more likely to be scum.

Let's look at Caller's posts:

On March 12 2012 07:53 Caller wrote:

Mr. Wiggles is like Jackal-lite at this point with his love of neutrality and "not-offending anyone." If Jackal turns up red, Mr. Wiggles should definitely be given the good run around-it's pretty common to see mafia have meaningless banter with each other just to get a bit of circlejerk going around.

TLDR: Jackal58 is mafia, I FOS him, if he's red Mr. Wiggles is likely red too.

Just randomly tossed in. Huh? If Jackal red = Wiggles red. With no logic, no thought process, just a random statement out of nowhere. Remember that Caller knows Jackal is not Mafia, this just reeks of Mafia pretending to bus each other. He doesn't want to seem like he's just accusing Townies so he throws in a scum buddy there for a random nonsensical reason then gives himself an out to dismiss that person later/make them look more Town after Jackal flips.

Curu

Canada2817 Posts

March 20 2012 16:13 GMT

#1460

As for Abenson, he has so little material because he is not posting at all. But then it's even worse because in such little material he has quite a few connections to scum.

First off he starts the game with:

On March 11 2012 13:42 Abenson wrote:
Alright, checking in to the game.
Goal #1: Make all my post contain 3+ lines.

For the day 1 lynch I think we should just lynch the lurkers to force them to talk.

Maybe we should follow his advice and lynch him.

On day 1:

On March 12 2012 22:49 Abenson wrote:

Just ignore Caller's case on DrH completely. He's just trolling.
The other stuff he posted seems to be legit though.

Just ignore Caller he's trolling. lol. Why would Abenson pop in from his nonposting to just make a post on something so random? Its his one post on the day and it decides to single out Caller and tell us to ignore him.

In the night:

On March 15 2012 22:57 Abenson wrote:
I'm kinda worried that the mafia will kill Caller tonight.

Again this out-of-nowhere fascination with Caller. No comments on anything else, no other posts, just something trying to protect Caller.

When you look at the Kurumi lynch Kurumi randomly started posting stuff about Abenson too when it was very close to Kurumi getting lynched. He had to know there was no chance at all for Abenson to get lynched, Jackal or something was a more real possibility. I think Kurumi knew he was going down and decided to randomly name someone to try to get his scum buddy Town cred.

Abenson, in about 5 posts, has clear connections to both scum who have flipped.

Curu

Canada2817 Posts

March 20 2012 16:38 GMT

#1461

For Katina her posting has been obviously scummy. Hard defending Kurumi, posting irrelevant cases on Mattchew and Palmar (two people who are/were pretty much confirmed Town status).

Very obviously not reading the thread, comes in trying to push Node when he is already dead.

On March 14 2012 02:45 Kurumi wrote:

Show nested quote +

Are You getting coached this game? If yes, penitenziagite! Burn the heretics!

Kurumi is showing random fixation on Katina. The people Kurumi randomly decides to "FoS" are:

Caller
Katina
Abenson

While he seemed afraid to talk about anyone else. Smells like Mafia trying to avoid pissing off any Townies.

Add on that Katina was the easy scummy target for a long time yet Wiggles hasn't even bothered to mention her. He wants to go after lurkers and randomly chooses Bill Murray when it was clear Katina is more scummy and has more people willing to lynch her.

I strongly feel that Mr. Wiggles - Abenson - Katina are our remaining scumteam.

Curu

Canada2817 Posts

March 20 2012 16:39 GMT

#1462

Just to add on:

On March 16 2012 04:38 Kurumi wrote:

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Uh, thanks I guess.
I agree with a lurker lynch given our lack of time. We probably should aim at people like Abenson, EchelonTee or Schworz.
Why Abenson:
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-His posts are one/two liners.
-His cases start and end with a single adjective
-Obviously lurks
-Voted for Jackal D1

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That post makes no sense. He does not say "Hey guys, Caller might get targetted by scum tonight, we should get a medic to protect him" or "Caller is a good player this game, I think they might want to kill him", it's just like:
Oh, Caller might die. Oopsies.

Why EchelonTee:
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-Still has to voice his opinion on D2 lynch
-Obviously lurks
-His behaviour is different from D1

Saving grace: He was one of the few people to actually post a case and push it D1. He attacked Jitsu and got into an argument with him for a bit of time.

Why rgTheSchworz:
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-1 post so far

Saving grace: He actually defended Jackal who I think is Town and said he was busy travelling or something.

Vote count D1

I hope more of You change the view on me. I am innocent. I want to help.

He puts a saving grace section for Schworz (now sandroba) who is likely Town and EchelonTee who is also likely Town. But there is no saving grace section for Abenson. LOL. Really, really feels like scum Kurumi knew who was Town and was too afraid to make a real push against any of the Townies.

Curu

Canada2817 Posts

March 20 2012 16:52 GMT

#1464

Out of everyone remaining who still have PMs Wiggles Katina Abenson are also the only three who refuse to claim to me.

Curu

Canada2817 Posts

March 20 2012 19:14 GMT

#1469

Caller had a role that scum have to publicly use and that he would likely come under fire for using. The fact that Wiggles wrote all that but never tried to seriously push it or bring up the points in thread just looks even worse.

I think scum were preparing soft buses on Caller because they knew his role would draw heat on him as he used it. Kurumi did this same thing.

I wouldn't mind lynching Abenson today either though, I feel like both of them will flip scum.

Curu

Canada2817 Posts

March 20 2012 19:51 GMT

#1473

Because they knew Caller would come under heat sooner or later. Wiggles never seriously pushed Caller, he was just setting up so he could look good later after we killed Caller.

Wiggles never tried to get Caller lynched. Really just looks like a soft bus play to look good later when Caller was lynched. As I mentioned Kurumi did this exact same thing.

Curu

Canada2817 Posts

March 20 2012 20:02 GMT

#1476

Because they don't -want- to kill him but they want to be able to claim Town cred when he flips. That's why they soft bus. They had to know with day shooting Townies Caller would bite the bullet sooner or later but they don't want to instigate it happening.

It looks like Wiggles put a lot of effort/thought into it but never ever made a real push for Caller in the thread at any time. Do you understand where I'm going? He says he is suspicious of Caller but never once acts like he actually wanted Caller to be lynched until it was painfully obvious he was scum.

Curu

Canada2817 Posts

March 20 2012 21:28 GMT

#1491

So why have you not Masoned anyone?

And why Bill Murray? What about Abenson or Katina?

Curu

Canada2817 Posts

March 20 2012 21:42 GMT

#1495

And the Town check on him? Did you just conveniently forget about that?

I have a real hard time believing you didn't think your Masons were worth using especially with sandroba entering the game. Waiting for an opportunity of what? You refused to talk to me and I'm more confirmed Town than Palmar.