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Yes, if I had a gun I would shoot any of Katina, prplhz, gumshoe. Almost guaranteed to be at least one scum in there.
Caller I'll have to re-evaluate when I'm less lazy.
The thing I am worried about is that some scum may have jumped on the Kurumi wagon early and let retard Townies take a huge fall when they refused to vote Kurumi. Kurumi was doing some stupid thing with Abenson when it was clear Abenson was in no way going to get lynched so it was hardly a counterwagon, makes me feel like Abenson may be scum and they were trying to paint him as Town. Just speculation at this point though, thread will need rereading.
Also to all you Townies I hope you take this as a lesson to stop fucking trying to no lynch just because we don't have a DT check on someone.
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Palmar is pretty much confirmed Town.
Katina is here at deadline, doesn't comment on Kurumi case, carefully avoids Kurumi case, pops in to smear Palmar. Someone shoot her tonight.
+ Show Spoiler [Skype Log with Palmar] +[3/14/2012 10:57:28 AM] Palmar: The information I have is that there is indeed a dreamflower role present in the game
[3/14/2012 10:57:39 AM] Palmar: like there is a role who knows random shit about the setup
[3/14/2012 10:58:16 AM] Palmar: so, mafia dreamflower is quite unlikely
[3/14/2012 10:58:19 AM] Palmar: and we'll make him shoot anyway
[3/14/2012 10:59:23 AM] Charles Suo: that's
[3/14/2012 10:59:30 AM] Charles Suo: pretty sketchy
[3/14/2012 10:59:36 AM] Palmar: yes
[3/14/2012 10:59:40 AM] Charles Suo: OP says Mafia has knowledge
[3/14/2012 10:59:42 AM] Charles Suo: of the setup
[3/14/2012 10:59:43 AM] Palmar: but really dangerous to tie
[3/14/2012 10:59:45 AM] Palmar: oh
[3/14/2012 10:59:49 AM] Charles Suo: a role that has knowledge of the setup
[3/14/2012 10:59:52 AM] Charles Suo: seems really far fetched
[3/14/2012 11:00:15 AM] Charles Suo: The mafia will be given some information some of the blue roles that are in the game, but will not be told how many exist.
[3/14/2012 11:00:31 AM] Palmar: hmm
[3/14/2012 11:00:40 AM] Palmar: Well the role name fits and everything
[3/14/2012 11:00:48 AM] Palmar: I'm not going to give you too much information until I know better
[3/14/2012 11:00:50 AM] Palmar: the main thing is that
[3/14/2012 11:00:54 AM] Palmar: if jackal flips scum
[3/14/2012 11:00:56 AM] Palmar: which he has to
[3/14/2012 11:01:02 AM] Palmar: as we make him shoot tonight.
[3/14/2012 11:01:12 AM] Palmar: that other guy is fucked too
[3/14/2012 11:01:15 AM] Charles Suo: your mystery informant could be scum trying to gain Town cred as well
[3/14/2012 11:01:22 AM] Palmar: clearly
[3/14/2012 11:01:45 AM] Palmar: tbf, my mystery informant is actually in the bottom 8 of my scum -> town list
[3/14/2012 11:01:48 AM] Palmar: ie, he looks bad
[3/14/2012 11:02:14 AM] Charles Suo: why don't we lynch him instead
[3/14/2012 11:02:25 AM] Charles Suo: there has never been a game where a Townie has a role that gives you info ont he setup
[3/14/2012 11:02:35 AM] Charles Suo: and if he had that role why not tell the whole thread
[3/14/2012 11:02:45 AM] Charles Suo: it already states in OP Mafia knows the roles
[3/14/2012 11:03:43 AM] Palmar: I need to make the decision
[3/14/2012 11:04:03 AM] Palmar: it's just too dumb
[3/14/2012 11:04:05 AM] Palmar: to be scum
[3/14/2012 11:04:14 AM] Palmar: I'm not 100% certain
[3/14/2012 11:04:20 AM] Palmar: I want to see node flip
[3/14/2012 11:04:26 AM] Palmar: that's the big questionmark
[3/14/2012 11:04:36 AM] Palmar: so much clears up if he's scum.
[3/14/2012 11:06:44 AM] Palmar: it seems very weird you didn't mason people right away
[3/14/2012 11:06:48 AM] Palmar: that's what I'd have done
[3/14/2012 11:54:59 AM] Charles Suo: I only talk to Mig in PM games anyways
[3/14/2012 11:55:09 AM] Charles Suo: seems very weird that you didn't realize a setup info role is pretty damn sketchy
[3/14/2012 11:55:45 AM] Palmar: I don't read ops
[3/14/2012 12:00:03 PM] Charles Suo: yeah the absurdity of you coming up with something like that just to convince me about Jackal is a bit meh too
[6:32:16 PM] Charles Suo: You should go vote Kurumi
[6:32:37 PM] Palmar: I will
I'm a bit perplexed that Palmar didn't see right away that Kurumi was scum from the information but he has 0 reason to out Kurumi like that if they are both scum. He is pretty much confirmed Town.
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Seems really odd to me that you completely ignored my constant pleas not to let a no lynch happen then go throw away your vote for nothing when I said 99999999x that was a terrible idea.
I mean Mattchew was even more stubborn but he ended up listening to reason. You just completely ignored it. I told you there was no realistic chance BM was ever going to get lynched.
There's a possibility of you just being really thickheaded Town but yeah, I do need to read the thread again. Katina looks much worse anyways ATM.
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Medics should pick out of me, Palmar, Mattchew, DrH to protect. Fairly confident all of them are Town.
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Palmar is completely legit. No reason for him to give up Kurumi like that, I was suspicious of him when he wouldn't tell me who his "mystery informant" was but he went and posted it in the thread shortly after.
Palmar also cleared out Townies that were going to hurt Town far more than help them. Yeah they were Townies but we had no way to tell and clearing them out without wasting lynches was definitely more helpful.
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Echelon, Palmar started the case on Kurumi. Read the Skype convo I posted, he basically told me about his informant's claim, I point out that his informant is probably Mafia, Palmar outs Kurumi's name into the thread. Without Palmar's info this lynch doesn't happen today.
He has been playing a bit odd but get off him. He is not worthy of any suspicion at this point.
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It's like people don't bother reading OPs anymore. Traitor flips black if unfound, flips red if found by Mafia.
sandroba is in the game now too? Joyous day.
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All indications are that scum has 2 KP. In a regular game of this size scum would have 2 KP + a Roleblocker + Framer or whatnot.
Would be perfectly reasonable to give scum an infinitely shooting Day Vig to balance out the game.
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On March 15 2012 22:49 Caller wrote:
We have Kurumi essentially admitting he is mafia. Palmar refutes an intentional and absolutely terrible point by Kurumi to make him (Palmar) look good. It’s a fucking bus. The same shit was pulled on me when I busted open capek's photoshop a while ago with RoL. I've seen this shit before.
On March 15 2012 22:57 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 22:56 prplhz wrote:
Hey Caller, Kurumi has like 10 votes right now. Why do you suddenly want to switch to Palmar when you also think that Kurumi is scum?
Like, it's not going to happen. Palmar is not going to get lynched today and you should really expend your energy on something else. i'm not voting on palmar, i'm shooting him tomorrow
Look at this load of shit. Says Kurumi is sure Mafia, then goes and votes Palmar and refuses to move his vote even though he was here at the deadline, trying to go for a Kurumi no lynch. Then this shot on someone who was 99% Town before his flip.
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DrH, Caller did not switch onto Kurumi. He said Kurumi was sure scum but then threw his vote on Palmar where it stayed.
Calls Kurumi 100% scum then tries to get a no lynch away from Kurumi.
We need to kill him.
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I'm also certain something happened in PM land that made Palmar consider Caller as scum especially since he declared Caller as Town before the PMs, then announced that he wanted to lynch Caller after the PMs.
Either way Caller's play the last two days show perfect scum agenda, Mafia wouldn't have been able to night kill Palmar so they went to a day kill. Not sure why they decided to go so all out but it's possible they rolechecked him last night (only 1 death), saw he was a DT, and wanted desperately to kill him. That or they just wanted to get a confirmed Town Palmar out of the way. Caller also tried to force a no lynch last day despite calling Kurumi certain scum.
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He likely got killed while he was asleep.
There is no plausible Town reason for Caller to shoot and more importantly NO REASON for Caller to call Kurumi certain scum then try his hardest to force a no lynch. He can't even pretend that he wasn't here near the deadline because he hadn't voted earlier, he came in to throw his vote onto Palmar to try to force a no lynch.
Caller is 100% scum, kill it with fire.
On March 16 2012 11:47 Caller wrote:
##Vote: Palmar
Here is his vote. Literally 13 minutes before deadline. After posting these:
On March 15 2012 22:49 Caller wrote:
We have Kurumi essentially admitting he is mafia. Palmar refutes an intentional and absolutely terrible point by Kurumi to make him (Palmar) look good. It’s a fucking bus. The same shit was pulled on me when I busted open capek's photoshop a while ago with RoL. I've seen this shit before.
On March 15 2012 22:57 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 22:56 prplhz wrote:
Hey Caller, Kurumi has like 10 votes right now. Why do you suddenly want to switch to Palmar when you also think that Kurumi is scum?
Like, it's not going to happen. Palmar is not going to get lynched today and you should really expend your energy on something else. i'm not voting on palmar, i'm shooting him tomorrow
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Yeah, parity DT needs at least 2 nights to get an info check on someone though. Did he happen to tell who he checked night 2 before he died? My guess is he was asleep since the deadline is 3 AM his time but maybe we can hope.
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Yeah sucks. Wasn't a jubjub that shot him though, it was scum.
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It's a death wish for scum to defend Caller at this point, especially given how likely it is many of them were trying for a Kurumi no lynch.
Interesting to note that both layabout and Katina refused to vote for Kurumi and only jumped on this Caller lynch when it was 100% certain he was going to die.
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Oh huh, I was looking for that list. I guess I only saw your prplhz vote and missed the Kurumi one.
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So since I am triple super confirmed Town, everyone should go ahead and claim to me.
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And no, the Day Vig made perfect sense. Mafia only have 2 KP and have to give it up to use powers, in a regular game Mafia would have 2 KP without having to give up any to use powers. I explained this somewhere when I first started pushing Caller.
Mafia Day Vig is very powerful but with the huge downside that you have to make public who you shoot.
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Mr. Wiggles, Jitsu, jaybrundage, Sentinel, BillMurray, Katina Abenson.
Use your PM on me and roleclaim.
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