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On March 13 2012 05:42 prplhz wrote:
I see no particular reason to believe or disbelieve Jackal58's claim, it hasn't changed how I think that he's scum.
I'd really like to be around for deadline but I'm going to bed soon. I expect Jackal58 to be dead tomorrow.
@Curu There's probably a role blocker since that's the most common scum role around, and all other common bases are covered with they funky KP powers.
There's no scum roles. Roleblocker is one of the KP powers, read the OP
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Echelon, if he's roleblocked and hits town he still dies. Meaning if he is roleblocked and hits mafia he will survive and thus it acts as an alignment check.
If he's scum i don't think he'd add that detail because they can still use all 2 KP and the roleblock power so he can just claim RB's but because he said that it makes it significantly harder to do. If he's making the role up he wouldn't include that detail.
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Pandain voted for me. I expect he'll be PMing me and make a fake roleclaim at any moment now as is usual for him.
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Never tried to push for your lynch because I find it worse that people would sheep your point than you actually making it. The fact that other people used it to push prplhz as scum or whatever makes it seem like a set-up.
If you want to be nitpicky then be my guest. Your first attempt at pressure in this game is about pointing out a inconclusive reading error that makes prplhz look more town aligned than anything else. Jitsu is the scum for catching the bait and trying to make a bandwagon of it. You look bad.
What is your point in making a deal of it? Do you even find anyone in this game suspicious? IF you don't think that error was indicative of alignment what do you think of Jitsu who took it to mean exactly that?
By cover you mean the hide flip role correct? I assumed that would be used to hide lynches. That same thing happened in Storm Mafia Day 1.
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Why are we lynching a claimed blue with town KP instead of Jitsu again? Because this is a "normal" game ?
Curu's analysis is BS.
Imagine a scenario in which scum fakes a claim (choosing dreamflower of all things impossible to confirm) and on top of that includes a clause that makes it impossible for them to dodge the lynch by claiming RB.
If Jackal is scum it's highly likely dreamflower was provided to scum as some sort of list of fake claims as is normal in a closed setup which implies that it does exist or may exist in the setup and Curu's speculation on what hosts would or wouldn't do is unfounded.
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remember in storm mafia when BC and RoL pushed all the claimed blues to get lynched and they were mislynch everytime
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On March 13 2012 06:37 gumshoe wrote:
any thoughts on my bm case?
also Dh I noticed you posted a case against me way back, do you still want me to address it?
not particularly, i'm not voting for you
Pandain why the fuck would you claim DT day 1 with no pressure
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What do you want me to say before you respond? You didn't explain your claim or your vote. If you're just trolling then yes you deserve to be ignored completely.
Lynch Jitsu. The WIFOM concerning Jackal will sort itself out at night right? So why are we lynching a claimed blue right now? It's not something mafia can even fake it would go down in history as the worst fakeclaim ever
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Yes! Lynch for information!
Say, Curu, if Jackal isn't lying who do we lynch then?
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No blues aren't sacred but why lynch someone you think is telling the truth
The only reason you should vote for jackal is if you are sure he is lying
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The jubjubs are gonna lynch Jackal because his meta is off and he claimed blue
solid.
Vig's hit Jitsu and Curu tonight. If Jackal doesn't die he's probably shooting Curu at this rate so of course he's desperate to get him lynched. He contradicts his own logic by saying he wouldn't mind lynching VE (despite voteswitching being terrible apparently)
omgus and not even following through with it lol
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It was better than Caller's bullshit case but that's literally all you have besides dumb setup speculation. Meta has never been enough for me to vote for somebody and that's never case. If I thought the meta case was legit I would have voted for Jackal.
You're the one spearheading his lynch. You're the only person to provide any reason to put suspicion on Jackal but not nearly enough to push this bandwagon as hard as you have. You have no reason to believe Jackal is lying about his claim besides "hurrrr this is a normal game"
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It's inconclusive. I have no reason to believe you can't be teammates just because you take opposing viewpoints particularly when the bandwagon is so heavily swung in one direction there's no real danger there. Jitsu singled out prplhz and voted for him here but never voted in the actual voting thread which makes me think it's bullshit. He hasn't pushed it since then despite claiming that he still believes in it.
I try to just look at people as individuals, I tend to second guess myself a lot when I start to think of teams and until somebody actually flips it's difficult for me. It caused a lot of problems for me in Arkham City particularly.
You're both acting scummy in my eyes so what am I supposed to think?
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On March 13 2012 08:25 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 07:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
It was better than Caller's bullshit case but that's literally all you have besides dumb setup speculation. Meta has never been enough for me to vote for somebody and that's never case. If I thought the meta case was legit I would have voted for Jackal.
You're the one spearheading his lynch. You're the only person to provide any reason to put suspicion on Jackal but not nearly enough to push this bandwagon as hard as you have. You have no reason to believe Jackal is lying about his claim besides "hurrrr this is a normal game" DoctorH this is why nobody is listening to you.
Nobody is listening to you either so why are you being antagonistic
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On March 13 2012 08:33 layabout wrote:So this is how it is: If Jackal is lying about his role, it should be exposed fairly soon and we would be able to lynch him if this were to happen. If Jackal is not lying then whether his role is beneficial to town or not, he is town and we should not lynch him. So we really do not have to lynch him. The main problem that we face is that we are running short on time and the other candidates look green. I think Jitsu is town. I think caller is town. I also think that i need to sleep. I want to post this + Show Spoiler [click for win] +Kurumi is not trolling.
It follows that he is probably scum.
##Vote Kurumi but it is too late for that. Instead: DocH who of the current lynch targets would you least like to lynch?
Jackal because I believe his claim.
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On March 13 2012 08:29 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 08:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On March 13 2012 08:25 Caller wrote:On March 13 2012 07:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
It was better than Caller's bullshit case but that's literally all you have besides dumb setup speculation. Meta has never been enough for me to vote for somebody and that's never case. If I thought the meta case was legit I would have voted for Jackal.
You're the one spearheading his lynch. You're the only person to provide any reason to put suspicion on Jackal but not nearly enough to push this bandwagon as hard as you have. You have no reason to believe Jackal is lying about his claim besides "hurrrr this is a normal game" DoctorH this is why nobody is listening to you. Nobody is listening to you either so why are you being antagonistic Just because I threw a bullshit reason at you to bait scum doesn't mean you're off the hook. Just try me.
You threw bullshit reasons at Jackal too, all you've done is throw bullshit. You won't get under my skin when you're playing this retarded.
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layabout do you suspect anyone besides kurumi and for reasons other than "he's not trolling" ?
Do you actually suspect Jackal?
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It's completely illogical. VE is saying if he were scum that he wouldn't jump to defend a teammate that quickly which is WIFOM in and of itself but is not indicative of his alignment or that he knows Jackal's alignment. Caller is stupid.
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That yells sarcasm to me a lot more then it screams scum.
Wiggles brings up a good point. prphlz is a player that wouldn't just happen to miss the name of someone that posted. It's almost like prphlz was waiting for Curu to post something, realized he fucked up, then tried to cover it.
It's not surprising that prphlz mistakes Curu for Caller, and then 10 minutes later, Curu ACTUALLY comes out with a small little case against Jackal as well.
Shit reeks.
##vote prphlz
and according to the voting thread
Not voting: Jitsu, Mr. Wiggles, [UoN]Sentinel, deconduo
what did I miss exactly?
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No-lynch > lynching town. Curu, why are you so sure Jackal is scum? Do you not want to admit you could be wrong about your godlike day 1 meta reads?
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