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I want to stay with Jackal. Best case scenario we get scum, worst case we've used our day 1 lynch on Town.
If we move onto someone else the best case scenario becomes we get scum and Jackal hits Mafia (super duper unlikely), worst case scenario becomes we used our day 1 lynch on Town and 2 extra KP hits Townies at night (very very likely).
I'm not confident enough in any other lynches right now to take that risk. Katina maybe but it would mostly become firing into lurkers or people posting stupid stuff as opposed to scummy stuff.
gumshoe I think most of it, especially the flip flopping, is stupid derp posting rather than scummy posting. It's hard to tell whether flip flopping is a sign of uncertainty (very possible on day 1 especially) or scum motivations (which we can't know till people flip).
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I am looking at it this way:
If Jackal is Town and we leave him alive he basically has to shoot. And the probability is very high that he hits a Townie. So in this case we have dead Town Jackal, dead Town someone else, and a dead lynch target. No one to me looks obvious scum enough to warrant switching the lynch like this.
If Jackal is Town and we lynch him then we've lynched a Townie day 1. We end up with a net of dead Town Jackal and lose a substitute dead lynch target.
If Jackal is scum then yay.
I don't feel like there is another candidate I want to lynch bad enough to take the tradeoff of high probability 2 Townie deaths vs low probability scum hit in the event that Jackal is Town.
Yeah you guys go on about "omg we killed a blue" but look at what the blue does. IMO in this scenario mislynching a blue suicidal Vig is better for Town than mislynching a Vanilla Townie.
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A great chunk of day 1 discussion has also gone into Jackal. If he does flip Town we have loads of connections and info to work with, whereas switching in the last few hours to someone else absolves a lot of vote pressure since there will be little discussion and a mounting pressure of "we gotta get a lynch!"
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Are you really arguing over how I've worded my posts VE? Why don't you address the content instead or stay quiet with your useless bullshit posts?
If Jackal isn't lying then I read the thread again after the flip and see what stands out. I'm not going to go do that right now.
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lol that post by VE was so ridiculously bad.
gumshoe you're really getting caught up in the idea that blues are sacred. Jackal's role is arguably more anti Town than pro Town. Consider that even normal Vigilantes can contribute heavily to Town losing, a suicide Vig is a hundred times worse.
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Go find the case yourself gumshoe, I'm not here to baby you.
Before the claim I would lynch Jackal 100% over anyone else. I feel that strongly about my meta read.
After the claim I think that it is completely weird for Mafia to claim that but this is outweighed by my belief that a Suicidal Vig has no place in a Normal game. With Jackal's history of claiming crazy shit as Mafia (Resurrection Mafia he claimed some impossibly convoluted role, Cosmic Horror Mafia he "found" the breadcrumb to bus one of his Mafia mates for examples) I wouldn't put something like this past him.
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I'm looking at Werewolves and Jackal was a power role there about to be lynched.
He did not claim his role at all even when right before lynch to save himself.
He was highly, highly active leading up to his lynch, impossibly aggressive and pushing hard to make sure Town knew what he thought and who to lynch after he died. Look at his activity:
On August 18 2011 08:14 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 08:05 Nisani201 wrote:On August 18 2011 07:37 Jackal58 wrote:On August 18 2011 04:09 Nisani201 wrote:On August 18 2011 03:57 Jackal58 wrote:On August 18 2011 03:48 Nisani201 wrote:On August 18 2011 03:44 Curu wrote:I can't when it's from my sent folder. Original Message From Nisani201:
DropBear is supposedly healing me tonight. So if I die, he was lying. This is the PM Nisani sent me. I had done nothing at that point to warrant anyone claiming any power roles to me (this was before GreyMist flipped). I am not stupid enough not to realize this was obviously fishing to see if I was scum and would hit DropBear. Analyze my posts if you think I'm scum, but don't insult me with the assumption that I'm a herpderp retard and would hit someone when it was clear Nisani was fishing it from me. That wasn't meant to be fishing, and I don't think that you're scum. Jackal is the one whom I think is scum. I sent it to you because I thought you were trustworthy enough (based on this) to take down DropBear if I died (remember that at this point I didn't 100% trust DropBear). It doesn't matter why you sent the name of our medic to anybody on day 1. It was moronic. If anybody else PMs you they're acting like morons too. If I was scum you'd be dead right now. But you're not dead because you're scum. I know this because you forgot to claim being role blocked. If you are DT you were either killed or role blocked last night. Neither happened. What happened? Our medic died. Ya the same one that claimed to you. You're scum bro. Don't you understand? Scum killed DropBear BECAUSE either you or someone not in the scumteam would use it against me. Killing me via lynch is a chain in their combo streak, whereas killing me last night might not have worked in case there were more medics/protectors on me. What did you get back on your DropBear check? I know it's a redundant question but answer it anyways. DropBear returned Townie. On August 18 2011 07:49 Forumite wrote:
Impressive on the scumhit, that doesn´t happen very often on the first day. As for the deaths, the wording suggests that it was two scumkills and one vigihit. If a normal game has 40 players, 8 scum and 4 scumKP, then we can assume we have 4 scum (now 3) with 2 scumKP in this game with 21 players. Too bad about Navillus. There are no vigilantes. Bullshit you lying scum. You claimed DT at least 20 hours before the flip. And you are going to try to tell us you weren't role blocked or killed? Bullshit. You are scum. Lying scum.
On August 18 2011 08:29 Jackal58 wrote:
Sevryn is scum too. He was fishing for what kind of answer I wanted from Nisani.
To: Sevryn [ Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: Re: your question of nisan
Date: 8/18/11 07:45
We'll see how he answers.
Original Message From Sevryn:
if he doesn't respond regular forumer hes scum.
On August 19 2011 08:36 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 08:19 DroneAllDay wrote:
Yeah from what I've seen I personally believe that whether or not the rival thing is true I don't care but I'm gonna attribute the whole pm thing to Trotske being a newbie for the time being but I'm putting him on my radar. But it does seem that Jackal is hiding something and overall I still do not trust Forumite. What am I hiding? Why the fuck would I hide anything. If DropBear thought I was scummy do you really think he would include it in PMs to me? Is there any thing any where in the PMs where roles are discussed? Either his or mine? Or traits? Or anything like that? No. Because we never discussed roles or traits. He asked me if I was a rival with ON because of my first post in the game. That was the extent of it. The person the he claimed to is Nisani. Not me. Nisani makes a scum slip day 1. Then claims DT. Then claims DB told him he was medic. Then claims he checked a dead guy. Are you guys so fucking stupid that you're going to buy this shit??????? If Nisani is a DT I'm fucking Mother Theresa.
On August 20 2011 00:15 Jackal58 wrote:
So who you guys gonna lynch after I flip town? Who ever Nisani tells you to?
And I have no idea if the dead medic thinks I'm scum or not. We have scum telling us what the dead guy said.
Same sort of thing in LOTR Mafia where he went ballistic when people were trying to lynch him.
His behavior this game is more like how he acted in Pick Their Power 2 (as scum) when pressured for lynch, posted a few things, tried to point the lynch at someone else but generally just disappeared and laid low (like now).
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Flip flopping is not a scum tell by itself. It's a scum tell when you can see if they are flip flopping based on Town sentiment and how they want to be viewed, or if they think they can push a Mafia agenda but then quickly switch off it when pressured for it.
BM did it one post between who he wants to lynch. No Town sentiment in between, no pressure. Day 1 especially is a crapshoot; if I didn't like the Jackal lynch so much better than any other ones I would likely be flip flopping between targets as well.
His posts are bad and his play is bad so far but nothing in it screams scum.
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I actually wouldn't mind a VE lynch either right now.
In Responsibility Mafia GMarshal was about to be lynched and claimed Suicidal Vig, we left him alive for the same reasons Jackal's claim is being considered (can confirm himself). But VE called bullshit all over it, refused to believe it, then went and shot GMarshal anyway in the night.
This game he's somehow convinced everyone lynching Jackal is scum and makes stupid, worthless posts trying to paint people voting for Jackal as scum.
VE is hard to read though as Town, my only other lasting impression of him as Town was when our whole Mafia team thought VE was the Traitor because his play was so absurdly ridiculous and derpy, turned out he was Town.
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There's only a few hours to deadline, don't let a no lynch happen. Nothing of great substance has been said or made about anyone else, put the lynch on Jackal today. Don't let a stupid last minute voteswitch (or no lynch) happen please.
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I did not advocate a mass voteswitch. I said I don't like you because you post like a retard and I wouldn't mind you dead, but I would still much prefer Jackal.
I like that you still haven't addressed any of the content in any of my posts instead still playing on wording.
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lol at what point did Jackal ever indicate he was going to shoot me? He'd been going on about Caller and prplhz and his vote is on Caller.
You said the meta analysis was legit and now you're trying to claim that because the case is based on meta it's bad? What a fucking joke.
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You weren't even in the game I was talking about.
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Day 1 meta is legit yo. I've based two lynches off day 1 meta and both have hit scum.
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And look at your current vote DocH. It's on Jitsu.
Jitsu is coming under heat because he believes, with flimsy reasoning, that we are scum for posting cases on Jackal around the same time and mispost prplhz made.
But if I were really scum, wouldn't that make Jitsu look pretty damn Town? But you still want to kill him and you want Vigis to hit both of us?
You want to see a real contradiction? That right there.
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We're well on our way to a no lynch with 1 hour left in the day. Solid.
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We need five votes to hit a majority. That's like 2 more than the grand total of people who have been reading this thread.
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I admit I can be wrong. But if we leave Jackal alive he's going to have to shoot someone. As I said much more likely to hit Town. Then we still have dead Jackal but also another dead Townie.
If he's scum then we've completely wasted a day and have to go through this same crap tomorrow.
Logically, objectively, subjectively, whatever measure I see Jackal as the best lynch but I guess we waste day 1.
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The best Town player to have received the Dreamflower role, Mig, decided not to use the role at all because it was a role that had much more potential to harm Town than do good for Town.
I would argue that the Suicidal Vig role would be best played as just a Vanilla Townie since the costs outweigh the benefits but we can't exactly have that with Jackal now can we? He's only off the hook with many people because of his confirmable role claim. If he is Town then he has to use a role that's detrimental to Town to prove it, if he is Mafia then we've wasted a day and inevitably face this same discussion next cycle.
There's no other even close to realistic option at this point. It looks like we are headed squarely for a no lynch.
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Yeah that's true Jackal, my dick is pretty huge.
The activity level in this game is pretty pathetic. Probably the worst I've ever played in. It's not even that we no lynched because people found other cases/other reads, we no lynched because only about 5 players in this game actually give a shit.
Do me a favour and shoot me if you're really Dreamflower Jackal. We can ride off into the sunset together.
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