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DimmuKlok
United States225 Posts
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DimmuKlok
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That is correct. | ||
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DimmuKlok
United States225 Posts
OtoshimonoU, what is your read on Sufficiency? Also, who is your top scum read right now and why? | ||
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DimmuKlok
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DimmuKlok
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On March 07 2012 00:46 blubbdavid wrote: Oh shoot, didn't think about the possibility of a Godfather. Dimmu's now randomly pointed against Willz, that's confusing. Could you please elaborate more why Willz looks suspicious? And I feel too that a DT case against Rain would be wasted. Even if Rain returned town, how would it be helpful? "Hey look guys, we have a townie here, but one who doesn't contibute." I don't see how a DT case on Rain is wasted, or even less effective than a DT case on anyone else. Everyone has the same chance of being mafia, statistically, and Rain is the most likely to come up as Mafia in my opinion. If you investigate anyone and they turn up town, what does that tell you? Nothing, because it could be wrong, and even if it's right then you just have a confirmed town player who will continue to do what they did before that. My opinion of Willz is after this. | ||
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DimmuKlok
United States225 Posts
On March 04 2012 09:11 willz22912 wrote: For now, based on our last vote counts, we can still vote OtoshimonoU off since he hasn't been modkilled or replaced and hasn't defended himself against the claims presented towards him. Refute any of my points if inconsistent, I'm still new and may be missing logic somewhere. ##Vote OtoshimonoU Willz was the first person to vote for Oto. In this post he states clearly that he's completely ok with the current case on Oto and willing to lynch him. He even throws in a scapegoat for funzies(He's new). On March 05 2012 04:19 willz22912 wrote: My opinion on OtoshimonoU: The active players were already pushing for OtoshimonoU's lynch prior to the replacements, with mementoss being targetted and flipping green, it doesn't make sense to me that Mafia would accept OtoshimonoU getting lynched in response unless he didn't want to play anymore, I would like to hear from him to see if he is actually still going to be active before I throw my vote. It feels like a mislynch to me because OtoshimonoU hasn't given much in the way for defense, it seems more apathetic than really bad scum play. As quoted, blubbdavid's post suggests that he is more of a bandwagoner than anything truly malicious, and everyone that is bandwagoning in response on him seems like it is being directed by one of the active mafia posters posing as town. Now I am new to Mafia, but if everyone is already against you, how can you defend yourself without incurring claims of OMGUS?... ...Final opinion: Give time for the accused to respond, but otherwise, I'm voting Sufficiency. He then states here, as confusingly as possible, that he thinks lynching Oto would be a mislynch. Later in the post saying he's more ok with a Sufficiency lynch than Oto, because of Blubbdavids post. On March 05 2012 04:23 willz22912 wrote: Just saw that OtoshimonoU just voted for himself, I think he's just giving up at this point because it's too hard to defend yourself if everyone already is on you. If he is that uninterested in the game, lynching him now seems really pointless and won't give any information. He's now sure that Oto is town and lynching him will give no information. I bolded it for importance. If Oto was mafia, obviously him getting lynched would give us plenty of information. All of these point of views are not incriminating yet, but important to keep in mind when you read this: On March 06 2012 08:12 willz22912 wrote: Okay, took a look at the responses. We definitely have to get a successful lynch off on someone today otherwise mafia gets another free kill and we're still clueless. My top suspect so far is still Sufficiency, he still hasn't contributed anything meaningful and hasn't responded to any of the new accusations brought upon him. The other suspects proposed are OtoshimonoU and Rainmaker because he hasn't been active. I'm inclined to just leave OtoshimonoU alone for another day and vote someone else like Sufficiency or Rainmaker, but you guys are seriously pushing for OtoshimonoU... I am 90% confident that if we do decide to lynch OtoshimonoU he will flip green making the situation completely muddled. Better to get rid of someone who is barely active than a ridiculously easy target. If mafia were really pushing for his lynch than as stated, why has the vote been so hard to pull off? 3 Mafia + bandwagoning townies would have made it easy, the most likely reasoning is that we had too many lurkers fail to vote. That doesn't mean the Mafia are targetting him, that means that they are most likely content to just let us go after a mis-lynch on our own without trying to influence us too much. That being said, I will be willing to switch to the OtoshimonoU vote if people are dead set on it, and we need my vote. I will state for the record that I am against this, but if it's a choice between a no-lynch and OtoshimonoU then we have no choice, and can try and gain information from it. This is where he begins to try to prove his innocence, while still getting rid of Oto. When you read this post, it's made very clear to you that he thinks Oto is green. I'd go even further to say that he knows that he's green. But alas, "That being said, I will be willing to switch to the OtoshimonoU vote if people are dead set on it, and we need my vote. I will state for the record that I am against this, but if it's a choice between a no-lynch and OtoshimonoU then we have no choice, and can try and gain information from it." Yea, lets get that information out of him that you said there wasn't any of... On March 06 2012 08:15 willz22912 wrote: Adding on/clarifying for my last sentence. If it's a choice between a no-lynch and OtoshimonoU again, then yeah we may as well see what his flipping will give us for information. I guess I'll just switch my vote to OtoshimonoU now to make sure it goes through, but I still think it's a mistake. This post was made immediately after. He has the inherent feeling that he needs to defend his choice without anyone accusing him. Remember, it's for the information. On March 06 2012 09:22 willz22912 wrote: See this is what bugs me. It really doesn't clear anyone. Sufficiency is currently voting for a no lynch and Sbrubbles is voting Rainmaker. How is OtoshimonoU flipping green going to clear them when if they were Mafia, they would know if OtoshimonoU is town and if we have enough votes without Mafia pitching in to get rid of him. We have multiple people who were already dead set on OtoshimonoU, and then we have a couple others (myself included) who are willing to switch our votes to make sure a lynch 100% goes through. Now we have at least 3 people who are not voting OtoshimonoU. If we didn't have the swing votes, the lynch wouldn't go through AGAIN. This is clearly what the Mafia wants, us to be indecisive and confused while we keep losing key members during the night. If we mis-lynch we mis-lynch, but don't overstate how much information we're going to get. I already stated my opinion on Mementoss being targetted earlier as well, I think it was more he was the most active poster than for anyone in particular he had suspicions on. This post is the most telling. He tells everyone what he knew all along. Oto flipping green will not give information. He also knows that Oto is going to flip green, and that explains all the effort he put in to make sure that he would not be a suspect after his death. His last 3 posts were shortly before the lynch, and all pushed the same message. Oto being lynched was the perfect way for Willz to look innocent and to stay out of the light. It was too suspicious not to bring up. After thinking about it, a DT check on Willz wouldn't be too bad of an idea either. | ||
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DimmuKlok
United States225 Posts
Looking forward to it, Willz. I admit my accusation wasn't the most solid. I stand by everything I said, but I accept the explanation you have given. I'm going to see what I can put together with the information we gained with Sbrubbles and Rainmakers death. | ||
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DimmuKlok
United States225 Posts
If I was worried about being considered mafia, I wouldn't be so open with my posting. If you look at my posts from a town point of view, it's very easy to see my agenda in every post. I'm going to post again soon with any info I can come up with. Lets try to keep it as active as possible for this day. | ||
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On March 08 2012 09:59 trackd00r wrote: We are now on a MYLO situation (if we mislynch we lose). This is my opinion about the situation right now. I think we have to push a lurker lynch this day. And when I talk about lurker, I'm thinking about Gunman103, Pablols or Sufficiency. There is a good chance that 1 or maybe 2 players are scum, specially Gum or Pablo. This is the reasoning behind it: 1) Look how we are now. Everyone points finger in different players. Maverick posts updated reports. Blubb pressures some players. Willz and Dimmu accusing each other. We are now in a town crisis. This leads to the idea that we are ultimately going to kill ourselves, and mafia just lurking back to see our slow death. This is what they have been doing all this time. If there was more than one active poster in the game by now, chances are that they want push a lynch in an easy target and just win the game right away. It's true to say that they might wait any longer to make this decision (since trying to risk the might end up losing 1 out of 3 mafia is pretty much a bad shot for them). The difference is that they can't do that because I don't see anything clear of any of the suspicious players. They are still laying back to see our own death. 2) These are the two players that are not having any attention by this time. We, as town, are ignoring him completely. In the situation we are now, there are probably two regular mafia posters who want to confuse us further more and the other one is not getting into the spotlight. 3) Any other case with the exception of Oto's case did not trigger any strong response so far. This is supported by the enormous lurking these last days. Now, there has been some of action, which I'll comment on soon. Now @Willz. I actually like your case on Dimmuklok. The idea that he is using Mementoss as a justification card for everything is very convincing. I think I'm going to take a closer look on him than I did before. Something I really disliked about him now was the way he took off all the pressure of you when he responded to your defense. I don't get why is he dropping the suspicion. I have so many thoughts going around my head right now. I'll try to post again before I go to sleep. I dropped it because it wasn't solid, and I accepted his defense as a possible explanation. Everything I posted I actually felt was a possibility, but it was speculation. I didn't vote for him, I was trying to get a response out of him. There was a chance he might slip up in his response, but I thought it was acceptable so I dropped it. I could have easily kept the pressure on and forced pages of arguing, or I could drop it and work toward a more likely lynch. In a MYLO situation, what would you have done? | ||
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DimmuKlok
United States225 Posts
On March 08 2012 09:16 willz22912 wrote: So what's your read on Sufficiency that you promised to post if anyone asked, and can you explain what I quoted about your interaction with him Day1 and blindly agreeing with him to vote Beorn1 even though you contradict yourself later and say you were planning on voting for OtoshimonoU all along? That's town behavior in your opinion, if it is, then why'd you call me out for doing the same vote changing on OtoshimonoU? I already made a post explaining the vote on Beorn: On March 03 2012 06:50 DimmuKlok wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Bandwagoning with Sufficiency actually had nothing to do with Sufficiency at all. When Sufficiency posted that he wanted to lynch Beorn, I quickly agreed and threw my vote on him. This was done in order to pressure Beorn out of hiding. In the post I hint at exactly what I want him to do, and that's to "contribute and say who he feels is a good lynch candidate". I suspected him as scum so his response was going to give me a lot of information. I even make another post to put the pressure back on Beorn and get some information out of him here: On March 03 2012 05:06 DimmuKlok wrote: Beorn, we're still waiting for your case on who to lynch. When you decide to start contributing, please also give me your opinion on Rainmaker and what you think about my read on him. My vote was not initially intended for Beorn, nor did I intend to keep it on him, because I didn't think he would get enough votes before the deadline. I'm changing my vote to Oto, who I originally intended on voting for. I want to state however that we cannot let this continue after today. We will always be more conformable with lynching someone who we have a read on, but we need a way to get lurkers to post. Consider this scenario... mafia without any consequences of not contributing can just chill day after day while everyone kills each other. The reason for my accusation was to get a response out of you. Check out what I posted about Mementoss earlier, and it might help explain: On March 02 2012 07:59 DimmuKlok wrote: Mementoss's posts thus far seem pro town to me. He's been either giving his opinion on the topic at hand, pointing out inactives, and posting his scum reads. Look at this quote for example. + Show Spoiler + On March 02 2012 05:46 Mementoss wrote: No, random lynch is not good at all. Better to go on some hunch. We already have a few little hunches that I would rather go on then just nothing at all. We also have someone who is inactive thus far. Those are 2 better options then random lynch. Also, looking at Pablols filter, Stance: Random Lynch, lynch someone who opposes the lynch. --> Labels first post of the game as suspicious. 1 liner, no real logic to why its suspicious. Filler really. --> Sentences like this " Looking at the numbers it seems as if we should play passive until we get more information since there is a high chance of lynching a townie, however, don't forget that we must take risks." that say nothing, and generally contradict themselves. -->"In my opinion, it is probably better to pick someone at random. " - Again contradicting to passive play, also lacks care of his stated high chance of getting a townie. -->Also he is trying to derail discussion of the actual person we should look to be lynching, by trying to bring up an old discussion that has already been over with. The idea of random lynching. The general consensus of those without scummy tendencies have been to try and figure out a good candidate to lynch or lynch no one at all. He is really trying to push a lynch no matter what, risky play. As the townie mafia numbers get closer, the mafia advantage rises significantly. Two bad lynches could be game. Logic should be our weapon, not rolling the dice. All in all lynching someone with no basis is an absolutely terrible option in this situation. Some circumstances in the game where you cannot risk the scum even getting 1 up, and you have no leads is a good situation to pick someone at random. This is not the case. We currently hold our people advantage and there is no desperation at this point in the game. That being said I think we have some decent information to come up with the best lynchable candidate and we should try to keep discussing to get as much information out there as we can based on peoples post behavior. Here are my top picks for scum right now: OtoshimonoU Pablols Sufficiency (although trackd00r brings up a point about his sloppy posts) Not counting Beorn cause I think it might be cause hes a noob and just forgot about the game starting to be honest. But he is in my mind too. Even if all his scum picks were wrong, it's still pro town to put it out there. It forces responses from the accused, which brings more information to the table. | ||
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DimmuKlok
United States225 Posts
On March 08 2012 15:14 Maverick32x wrote: I really think we are pressuring the wrong guy if we are targeting Dim.... I completely agree with Trackd00r that we need to target one of those 3 lurkers. Gunman, pablols or sufficiency... I would say the order that makes the most sense is the one I just listed... if we have a DT remaining, they should investigate sufficiency and hope hes just a regular mafia so we can set up a hit on the following day (assuming we get this next lynch correct) My vote right now is for Gunman. I'm thinking that we are pointing fingers at each other while Mafia just slide into the background.... It seems like the remaining town are in a frenzy to try to stay alive and solve this... while the remaining people are not involved in this at all.... This is my assumption too. Of the three I'm thinking Gunman is the most likely candidate, but it's hard to say with them being so inactive in the late game. I have to look into this further before I vote. I would say Sufficiency is the least likely to be mafia, but that's only if I can make the assumption that this early posts were to get reads on their reactions, and not just bad play. The posts I'm referencing: On March 01 2012 13:15 Sufficiency wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On March 01 2012 13:10 trackd00r wrote: Suffciency, If you are willing to random lynch anyone, which player it would be? I hardly see a point of RL someone later on this day because we already might have better reads in that moment. If you want to take this action, throw a name by now. I don't really like the idea though. Going to bed now. See you in about 9 hours. I actually FoS gunman103 right now for suggesting no RL. On March 01 2012 13:16 Sufficiency wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Oh great. Now he is defensive about it. Anyway, since it's not the time to vote yet, we might as well wait until everyone talked a few lines. On March 02 2012 12:45 Sufficiency wrote:+ Show Spoiler + I say we lynch OtoshimonoU or gunman103 Later, I tried to confirm which it was, and sadly his answer was: | ||
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DimmuKlok
United States225 Posts
On March 08 2012 23:12 Pablols wrote: Hey guys, I still haven't been able to read through the thread. As of now I don't feel confident enough to make any reads. I'll make sure to read through everything and vote today though, I hate midterms. So what you're saying is you're busy, you have no reads, and it we shouldn't be surprised if we don't see any useful posts out of you up until the lynch. Got it. If you are town, this is why we're going to lose. If you're mafia, keep up the good work! | ||
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On March 09 2012 10:13 blubbdavid wrote: Isn't the Night post overdue? I need to go to bed. Pretty sure there's about an hour left to vote. | ||
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DimmuKlok
United States225 Posts
On March 09 2012 10:32 blubbdavid wrote: Wait what, it was trackdoor who has done it, not willz, sorry for the confusion. It's too late. We need to lynch gunman. | ||
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DimmuKlok
United States225 Posts
On March 09 2012 10:43 trackd00r wrote: Blubb, I'm completely serious. Don't you believe the facts? Don't you find scummy that Sufficiency went in minutes before a lynch and just voted, ignoring completely any current discussion? You are making no sense to me now. Neither Sufficiency is. Mave, Willz, please. The evidence is right in front of your eyes. Change your vote You believe your read on Gunman to be wrong? | ||
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