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A Killer Cuppa Tea
Profile Joined December 2011
97 Posts
February 27 2012 20:32 GMT
#40
/in
A Killer Cuppa Tea
Profile Joined December 2011
97 Posts
March 01 2012 11:34 GMT
#157
On March 01 2012 12:41 Probulous wrote:
Thanks for the reminder Adam. For reference

Player List:
1. Jackal58    - USA
2. Paperscraps   - USA
3. Bluelightz   - Indonesia
4. Probulous   - Great Southern Land
5. Snarfs   - Kanucksland
6. rgTheSchworz   - Romania
7. Misder - Fairy Land AKA who the fucks knows
8. Pandain - USA
9. Palmar - Iceland
10. Sandroba - USA
11. TheToast - USA
12. Adam4167 - Land Down under
13. A Killer Cuppa Tea - Neighbours with Misder
14. deconduo   - Ireland

This is what I have for countries based on profiles. Misder and Tea where are you boys based?


I'm from the UK. I'm also preeeeeetty fucking hungover right now. Drank way too much last night. 

As for policy talk, it's not only non-productive, it's also potentially harming in that it may help scum figure out how we scum hunt and use that information against us. If you have your own personal "policies", sure, but don't lynch based purely on them. 

In fact, the only policy that i am even willing to discuss is "Always Lynch/NoLynch is Bad (except in MYLO). 

Finally, Vote: Probulus
A Killer Cuppa Tea
Profile Joined December 2011
97 Posts
March 01 2012 18:23 GMT
#196
On March 01 2012 20:54 Adam4167 wrote:
Whaddup, Hydralisk icon.

Killer Cup, what exactly are you voting for Probulous for?

From what I gather from your post, its because he was discussing policy. If that's the case, why not vote for myself, or Misder, or bluelightz? we were all discussing policy. Why single out Probulous specifically? You then go on to say you're willing to talk about another policy.

Please, be clear with your reasons. As it stands I find your vote contradictory and bandwagony.



Plus, you messed up the voting format and Probulous name.

I blame the alcohol.

Also, I'm voting Probulous because of a hunch that basically arose from "we should lynch all lurkers" and then proceeding to spam it up. Looks like it could potentially be scum diverting attention from himself, like.
A Killer Cuppa Tea
Profile Joined December 2011
97 Posts
March 01 2012 18:29 GMT
#197
EBWOP: also, the majority of his posts had been town-sounding mechanics/theory posts which are incredibly easy for scum to make to help themselves look a lot townier (it's a good strategy!), but very little in the way of actual scumhunting, so they don't have to worry about statements that can come back and haunt them later.

Certain things are always "correct" in a game of mafia. Lurking benefits mafia. No Lynching is bad. Etc... You can't fault a guy for saying something along them lines. But if he Coles out today and says "wow, X is so totally townie"'and X later flips scum, it'll be held against him. By actively posting "correct" mafia theories, it's easy townpoints to be gained.
A Killer Cuppa Tea
Profile Joined December 2011
97 Posts
March 01 2012 22:34 GMT
#211
On March 02 2012 06:59 Probulous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2012 03:29 A Killer Cuppa Tea wrote:
EBWOP: also, the majority of his posts had been town-sounding mechanics/theory posts which are incredibly easy for scum to make to help themselves look a lot townier (it's a good strategy!), but very little in the way of actual scumhunting, so they don't have to worry about statements that can come back and haunt them later.

Certain things are always "correct" in a game of mafia. Lurking benefits mafia. No Lynching is bad. Etc... You can't fault a guy for saying something along them lines. But if he Coles out today and says "wow, X is so totally townie"'and X later flips scum, it'll be held against him. By actively posting "correct" mafia theories, it's easy townpoints to be gained.


Tea, in all your posts you have not been able even once to explain how my actions are mafia driven. You entire case is that I have been saying the right things. How does that make me mafia? You my friend have started with a conclusion and then made your argument based on it.

What scumhunting have you done? You sheeped RG's terrible analysis on me and have called me out for providing nothing. See my decon post for my rebuttal to that silly idea. You sir better shape up because right now you are being hypocritical and targeting me with aweful logic, both of those make you scum in my book.


nooo...? I think you're doing scummy things.

There's a difference between doing townie things and trying to do townie things.

And also different types of "townie" things.

See, people are often confused that only townies can say things that are beneficial for townies. I've caught out so many scum who spend their time with mechanics based posts but virtually no scumhunting.

However, your rebuttal of my pressure on you (ie, starting scumhunting) is a good start.
A Killer Cuppa Tea
Profile Joined December 2011
97 Posts
March 02 2012 01:46 GMT
#233
On March 02 2012 08:49 Probulous wrote:
Tea however jumped at the opportunity to call me scum when everyone else who pushed me, never did. RG clearly didn't believe I was scum or he would have pushed much harder but tea sheeps. Then he tries to explain his sheep with the worst possible logic available. He could be townie who doesn't know what is going on, but if that is the case why jump at me? He wants to look like he is contributing when he isn't.


Excuse me? thats bullshit. I saw something scummy and pointed it out, My reasoning is sound, and your misrepresentation of me does you no favours.
A Killer Cuppa Tea
Profile Joined December 2011
97 Posts
March 02 2012 01:49 GMT
#234
On March 02 2012 09:29 Probulous wrote:
My logic is simple really. You insinuated I was spamming/hiding something and but never followed it up. Hence it was a fish. Those that jumped on it are trying to push and discredit me, thus they go on my scummy list until they do something that redeems them.


Bah, you know what, you're pretty blatantly just derp.town at this point. ##Unvote. Did it not occur to you that you were called out on it by multiple people because it was scummy? Its alright though, you're no longer focusing solely on mechanics, and have decided to scumhunt, albeit misguidedly.

A Killer Cuppa Tea
Profile Joined December 2011
97 Posts
March 02 2012 02:26 GMT
#236
My reason for voting you was a high concentration of Mechanics post coupled with very few Scumhunting posts (at the time). I made that clear in my 2nd post when i realised that it might not have been obvious to everyone that that was what i was getting at (was pretty damned hungover at the time of making that first post). I've explained that its not so much the mechanics/policy posts that are the scummy part, its them at the absence (or infrequency) of anything else. Since then you've started scumhunting proper, which pretty much negates my reason for voting you, and a couple of other things have convinced me of your towniness. Successful probing, imo.

Incidentally, i'd like to stress again that its not your policy that i had a problem with. It was the discussion of policy with a lack of anything else. Its another reason why i dont like discussions on policy alone - too easy for scum to hide there.
A Killer Cuppa Tea
Profile Joined December 2011
97 Posts
March 02 2012 02:28 GMT
#238
EBWOP: you know what, rereading my post i can totally see where you coulda got the impression that spamming was the problem i had with you. It was a very disjointed post. The reason i (meant to) gave with that post was "People are talking about how lurking is bad. Probulous spams it up, potentially as a result of this anti-lurker sentiment".

It is important to note that often when using one's vote, one acts more sure than one is - otherwise its not much of pressure. I had a scumread on you, sure, but it was a very slight one - and oen that you have since alleviated.
A Killer Cuppa Tea
Profile Joined December 2011
97 Posts
March 02 2012 02:35 GMT
#240
Upon rereading his Filter, yes. yes i could most certainly get behind Misder pressure - in fact, he's doing pretty much exactly what i accused you of doing, but worse (posting a lot less).

##Vote Misder (have i got the syntax right?)
A Killer Cuppa Tea
Profile Joined December 2011
97 Posts
March 02 2012 02:37 GMT
#241
On March 02 2012 11:33 Probulous wrote:
ROFL

"People are talking about how lurking is bad. Probulous spams it up, potentially as a result of this anti-lurker sentiment".

That's some serious mental gymnastics. Especially since we have played together before and I posted a lot then too. Anyway, from your response I think you just didn't think through your vote clearly.


I blame the alcohol >.<
A Killer Cuppa Tea
Profile Joined December 2011
97 Posts
March 03 2012 16:47 GMT
#330
Sorry for not being all that active so far this game guys, i got a sudden and unexpected spurt of busy-ness that should be over with now!
A Killer Cuppa Tea
Profile Joined December 2011
97 Posts
March 04 2012 19:45 GMT
#364
/shrug

i'm vanilla townie, lynch Pandain when i flip town? I don't know why scum would make such a silly trade.

##Vote Pandain for the record, cos i dont even have a visiting role :V

(unless he's, like, paranoid tracker or something, i've seen that before)
A Killer Cuppa Tea
Profile Joined December 2011
97 Posts
March 04 2012 19:46 GMT
#366
it kinda sucks cos i was reading town on Pandain yesterday. Hmm. Also, i think its alarming that he didnt vote me in the same post he claimed i visited the dead person? Why's that? Waiting for others to jump on the wagon first?
A Killer Cuppa Tea
Profile Joined December 2011
97 Posts
March 04 2012 19:47 GMT
#367
Yea, to be honest with you, town's best option prolly is to lynch me - its like cop claiming guilty on someone and we lynch the cop claim to test it, it just doesnt work that way. Owell, at least my flip will be worth something.

Incidentally, blue role do not counterclaim Pandain.
A Killer Cuppa Tea
Profile Joined December 2011
97 Posts
March 05 2012 01:46 GMT
#393
Nope, don't like Adam. You seemed to be setting yourself up for an "i told you so" moment when i flipped town/non-visiting, making you look townier at the end of it - knowledge that you would only have if you knew who really did make the kill, meaning you are either a Blue or Scum. I'm leaning towards the latter.

##Vote Adam4167

I really don't like the gambit @Pandain. If i was a blue role, you would have prolly gone through with the lynch on me, or given scum an easy target. In fact, with the revocation of your claim, the likelihood of you being scum does go up: this gambit could just as easily be a scum one to draw out a potential Blue claim. Not enough to vote you just yet - especially as i had a town read on you beforehand - but i'm certainly gonna be keeping an eye on you.
A Killer Cuppa Tea
Profile Joined December 2011
97 Posts
March 05 2012 17:23 GMT
#422
On March 05 2012 11:00 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2012 10:46 A Killer Cuppa Tea wrote:
Nope, don't like Adam. You seemed to be setting yourself up for an "i told you so" moment when i flipped town/non-visiting, making you look townier at the end of it - knowledge that you would only have if you knew who really did make the kill, meaning you are either a Blue or Scum. I'm leaning towards the latter.

##Vote Adam4167

I really don't like the gambit @Pandain. If i was a blue role, you would have prolly gone through with the lynch on me, or given scum an easy target. In fact, with the revocation of your claim, the likelihood of you being scum does go up: this gambit could just as easily be a scum one to draw out a potential Blue claim. Not enough to vote you just yet - especially as i had a town read on you beforehand - but i'm certainly gonna be keeping an eye on you.


Your not playing like a blue would, and irregardless the scenario of a blue visiting rg is a very unlikely one. Why would a medic protect a vig/townie. Why would a watcher/tracker visit him when he clearly did nothing. In fact the mafia hit was very weird/bad, but thats besides the point.

If you had claimed blue, by far the more likely explanation is that your actually scum/sk trying to cover up your kill.


And adam never set himself up to gain town cred, I don't know where that's coming from, if you could explain.


I play blue very much like i play mafia, to be fair. To avoid the NK.
It usually gets me lynched instead.

As for Adam, its less him trying to gain towncred, more that he seemed to be avoiding my wagon. If i did flip town, he could be all like "Meh, i didnt like that wagon, see, you should trust me reads" or whatever. Its a subtle tactic that can work if done right.

Added to the fact that he's been rolefishing a little, and his seeming avoidance of other lynches for, perhaps, similar reasons, i see him as a mafia who doesnt want to be seen as overeager for a mislynch, and is overcompensating and doing the opposite instead.
A Killer Cuppa Tea
Profile Joined December 2011
97 Posts
March 07 2012 02:21 GMT
#544
On March 07 2012 09:59 Pandain wrote:
Palmar is town or badass sk. Jackal COULD be SK but I'm leaning towards not. He's definitely not playing pro town....

bluelightz/adam/jackal one or more of them is mafia.


IMO

Adam > Bluelightz > Jackal

order of scumminess
A Killer Cuppa Tea
Profile Joined December 2011
97 Posts
March 08 2012 04:26 GMT
#634
On March 08 2012 12:55 Adam4167 wrote:
After rereading the thread with no assumptions i still get back to where I was before, a nagging feeling that Prob will flip red. That's my read, take it or leave it. If you are red Prob, then you've done a great job of convincing everyone else that you're town, so much so that I'd say this game is probably unrecoverable.

Upon second reading assuming Prob is town, it is probably the best move to kill Bluelightz. Toast is exactly right, he could flip either way, hes a permanent null read for me, but via process of elimination, he looks good to die. I don't want to lynch Pandain, Paperscraps, Snarfs, TheToast or Probulous (still operating under the assumption that he is town) which leaves me with Bluelightz, deconduo and AKCT.

##Vote Bluelightz


It is a wonderous thing to see, when a scum finally realises that he should bus, but far, far too late.

##Vote Bluelightz
A Killer Cuppa Tea
Profile Joined December 2011
97 Posts
March 08 2012 15:16 GMT
#645
Heh.

Just cos I didn't put much reasoning in my post (which is a fallacy, incidentally, there is plenty of reason in my post, more then enough to find you scummy, I simply said it in fewer words then you're prolly used to), doesn't mean i didn't have any reason at all.

I think you are scum for a large variety of reasons, and mr stating them here would simply be repeating what has been done to the death today. Also, I'm on my phone right now* so it's much harder to make a wall on you.

*I owe an apology here: I have not been very active. Without trying to make excuses, basically my laptop decided to have a hissy fit and explode on me, and pretty much went out of commission. I've taken it in for repairs and it's finally repaired, and I should be picking it up today. Sorry >_<
A Killer Cuppa Tea
Profile Joined December 2011
97 Posts
March 09 2012 10:15 GMT
#727
Posting from my phone

I am currently in hospital with a mild concussion. Docs say they have to keep me here for a while. Again no access to a comp. I haven't reread anything since my last post, but I swear the world is out to prevent me from doing anything productive in this game >_<. They should hopefully release me later tonight - they said 12-24 hours unless complications - and HOPEFULLY I'll finally be able to actually do something.

It's just sods law isn't it >_>
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